On 6/5/08, Jim Popovitch wrote:
Does anyone have any advice/examples for mod-security rules on a
Mailman site?
And what are mod-security rules?
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Not within the Mailman project, no.
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Jon Slater wrote:
Is there a way to re-use list names for multiple virtual hosts without
running multiple instances of MM?
Not with the standard version of Mailman, no. See FAQ 4.47 at
<http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030604>.
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e value of the archives of a proper
mailing list, because you've got an input to the process but no normal outputs.
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uld be the hackers who took over the
comcast.com domain and redirected it to their own servers, thus causing your
e-mail and e-mail for all other comcast.com users to be bounced.
You should be able to resubscribe without any problem.
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any modifications to the message, you will get unique queue-ids that you can
work with and compare against data in your logs.
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SourceForge to see if anyone has uploaded a script
to do that sort of thing.
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onalization,
but that shouldn't be necessary in this case.
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ink there's any impact. Not
unless you used a package installation mechanism that would remove
everything that depends on postfix (including Mailman), when you go to
remove postfix. If that were to happen, you'd be seriously screwed.
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why a user was unsubscribed and putting
that into the database, and knowing which of those kinds of
transactions could be reversible and under what circumstances.
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ELIVERIES = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = Yes
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
The next AOL feedback report contained a unique Message-ID, as always.
Did you go back to the list configuration and turn on personalization?
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okies.
ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = No
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done?
Talk to your hosting provider. They should know what additional
tools they installed and how they work.
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Are you sure?
(I know in older versions a subscribe by the
admin overruled the ban list, but not any more.)
I would be really surprised if this was true. Can you point to the
documentation or release notes that indicate this change?
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loper who's hacking on the code then this won't help you.
Keep an eye on the Mailman3 section of the wiki, and look for announcements
to the appropriate mailman-* mailing lists.
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)
That's what scrub_nondigest does -- it will strip the PDF attachment
and replace it with a link to where you can download it from the web
server.
The rest should be achievable by appropriate settings of the MIME
types that are either passed or removed, for those parts you don't
want sc
ry has gotten large
(like tens or hundreds of thousands of files), it will never get
smaller again and that will always hurt directory access times from
that point forward.
In other words, basic sysadmin stuff.
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Then always keep in the back of your mind that a sufficiently determined
attacker can get through the deepest and most powerful defenses -- if they
can assassinate presidents and other government leaders, then they can
certainly get through any defenses that
the problem in whatever way is necessary, and then
try to figure out how to prevent that in the future.
But I never lose sight of the fact that we're trying to use technical means
to deal with a social problem.
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access to, so a solution that I could implement from the admin
interface would be preferable.
Not so far as I know. You need to be able to get full priviledged access to
the server in order to make the source-code level changes.
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Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
I'm at a loss to explain what might have happened. Any ideas?
What is in the "bounce" log? The automatic bounce processing could have
unsubscribed them, although I would have thought that the results of that
would show up in the "subscribe&quo
ehind Unix
boxes, because the Exchange server can't deal with all the traffic and kinds
of abuse that happens in the real world, and they set up the Unix server to
filter all that out before it gets to Exchange.
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the message ever gets to Mailman.
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n
one small part of the spam problem, if anyone is interested.
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either be incorporated directly into the Mailman mainline source
code, or some comparable features will be incorporated that will
serve the same purpose.
Either way, if that dream were to ever be realized, then you wouldn't
have to continue to maintain all of these patches.
Sigh
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tall it myself..
It's about as easy as any software I've ever installed, but then I've been
doing this sort of thing for nearly twenty years. So, I'm not sure I'm the
right person to be answering your "ease-of-installation" questions.
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. We would only
allow users who have signed on through the application to subscribe, so
they would have already verified themselves.
Unless I'm missing something here, this process can still be abused by
remote parties to subscribe others to your list, and that's the key danger.
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I would strongly encourage you folks to *NOT* do this. It's so easy to
abuse these kinds of systems and sign someone up for a billion different
mailing lists.
There's a reason why the default with Mailman is so that the user has to
confirm their subscription request.
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olumn addition to the
Membership Management table.
So far as I know, there are no current plans to put this kind of
information into the web interface, although I think that would be a
good idea. Please fill out a change request via the page on
SourceForge.
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under ADA, but they're even
more insecure than the visual ones.
I stand by my earlier statements.
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hey were a horrible idea to
begin with, and if I have anything to say about it then we will never
use CAPTCHAs ever in the future.
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27;m going to remove the AOL address from the moderator list, add myself,
and post a test message. Let's see if I get a reply as a moderator.
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evel in order to take a closer look at this issue. Your site
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o USENET by Mailman. The pipeline of routines
within Mailman should be set up to avoid precisely that condition.
However, see FAQ 4.59 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.059.htp> for
the reasons why Mailman modifies the Message-ID header on incoming USE
hing else.
And you can always run them as root, too.
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or how to set up
the mailman user.
In the alternative, you could go ahead and list this directory as the home
directory in /etc/passwd, but doing that doesn't really buy you anything
from the security or systems operations standpoint.
Please help me better understand what is needed
req=show&file=faq03.044.htp>.
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am curious as to why you would be looking for smrsh in the sendmail.cf
and why you would think that this would be related to the issues you're having.
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making use of the resources provided by your platform vendor for finding and
fixing this problem.
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ht? Well, don't do that.
Make sure that "lists" resolves directly to the correct IP address, and that
the reverse DNS for that IP address also points back to "lists" as well as
"uglyhostname".
Search the archives for "CNAME" if you need more details
n use the topic when
sending out the message. That's the only way that Mailman can address a
subgroup, without setting up an umbrella list and various child lists.
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will be the kinds of questions you need to have answers to.
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edu/33266.html>).
This has nothing to do with Mailman.
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rovided the previous binary package version you were using, and
get assistance from them.
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Melinda Gilmore wrote:
I trying to find out if mailman uses the md5 checksum or this has to be set
up with the installation. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. I
have not been able to find it so far.
What do you mean by "uses the md5 checksum"?
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Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
Does anyone know when the latest version of Mailman will end up as a
FreeBSD port? Thanks!
Ask the FreeBSD port maintainer.
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Does anyone know if an SME Server (7.3) Contrib has been created yet for
2.1.10?
Sorry, what's an "SME Server Contrib"?
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n that code, then that doesn't
really help you today.
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On 4/21/08, Brad Knowles wrote:
I have applied the patch to my installation and I'm sure it's good, but
I haven't seen any unparseable messages.
I haven't seen any more unparseable messages in the last few minutes,
but let's see how things go.
We've n
ut let's see how things go.
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, and I'll be glad to set that up.
What to people generally do with
their shunt files?
Leave them untouched for months or years? ;-)
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u have any documentation on what should be done with them?
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I'd
recommend shutting down the web interface first, then Mailman, and then
finally the MTA.
Then do the upgrade, and restart them in reverse order.
Then watch your log files like a hawk, and test out all your standard
"stupid user tricks" to see if anything obvious has been broken
at is
800MB in size, depending on how many "unparseable messages" you might have.
We'll need to coordinate the updates to mmdsr and get the official version
with all code contributions from all parties out there on the SourceForge page.
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ving, I told her I'd try before I
re-started mailman. Where would I look to find an outgoing message?
Depending on where your version of Mailman is installed, that would be in
${MAILMANHOME}/qfiles/out/. Otherwise, it has already been handed off to
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Now running on mail.python.org. Please let us know if there are any problems.
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settings for "require_explicit_destination" under
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hat what you really need is a proper document management
system with an e-mail interface. Using Mailman for this function is just
well, maybe not quite "Wrong" with-a-capital-W, but it's certainly not
what Mailman was designed for.
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Mailman. You need to fix your
sendmail configuration, or talk to the people at the remote sites and find
out why they're causing such huge delays. Get a copy of the book "Sendmail
Performance Tuning" by Nick Christenson.
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rivate archived mailing list, where I'm the only subscriber. So, I get
to see the reports sent to me by e-mail, and I can go back in the archives
online if I need to pull out historical information from a while back.
But these are relatively short reports, not something nearly as massive
h longer to type up
the message and cut-n-paste URLs and descriptions.
Anyway, I know these aren't the only such toolkits, but you could at least
start with these and see if one or more works for you.
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h-only releases as well as the new-development
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educe backscatter generation,
but they should address all potential sources of backscatter and not just
the aliases.
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;I am not sure but it sounds to me like some sort of webmail app to
> me is needed. Is this capability in Mailman or has someone modified
> Mailman to include this sort of functionality?
Mailman does not include a webmail application, although you could certainly
install one. See FAQ 1.26
o filter out HTML e-mail, then
your problem is solved.
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they take care of the issue. But beyond that, there's not much.
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27;s what you've got with the way RCs are handled today.
> Although a "heads up!"
> would be nice too. ;-)
That's what you've got with the way RCs are handled tod
o that we would have an
independent certification process, whereby you willingly sign away
your first born if the code proved to have bugs in it, even after you
certified it as being perfect.
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On Apr 15, 2008, at 8:56 PM, &q
you feel the burning need to have the latest and greatest code
which avoids the more recent security issues, then go and install the
RC.
But unless you're putting up the money to run this entire project out
of your own personal pocket, I'm tired of listening to you bitch at us
o give you a useful answer.
Please see FAQ 1.21 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.021.htp>. And
if you do have a detailed question, please see FAQ 1.22 as well.
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dy doing everything you want, and you
just need to use the system you have.
If the latter, then pay special attention to the instructions on how
to use the "Approved:" header, otherwise you'll be posting that header
(and password) to the entire list for everyone to see, at which
ail. If anything, you've made your mail server configuration
more complex and more error-prone than it needs to be, in order to
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service and who doesn't
back that up with proper site admin support, well ... deserves to be
put out of business.
Vote with your feet and your dollars. There are plenty of providers
out there who do provide sufficient site admin support.
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hould be run as a
result.
If you're not going to run a local MTA on your box, you need to find
alternative ways to do all these things.
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to be the site
admin and have full privileged shell access to that machine.
All web-based input in the forms is going to be processed and have
potentially harmful HTML code de-fanged by Mailman.
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best known, and they're the only two who are "whitelisted" by default
in current versions of SpamAssassin, which is a popular anti-spam
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ews servers direct
server-to-user traffic through certain protocols
on certain servers, and server-to-server traffic
through different protocols to other servers.
Make sure you're using the right protocol with
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a ZIP file. See
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them to have been rejected by spam filters.
Ahh, now there you could definitely be caught by people on the other
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to be looking at for this kind of thing.
> How about listmaster, which
> would expand to "the person or persons responsible for the overall
> care and feeding of mailing lists associated with this domain"?
We have that on the sites I run
On 3/19/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On python.org this is postmaster. Do many sites split the
> responsibilities between mail and list care and feeding?
Some sites do, but on the ones I run I usually have a separate
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> DSN: Can't create output
This sounds to me like a procmail problem, and you'd need to ask this
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d be able to be fully shared via NFS.
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where all the Internationalization folks should be
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attractive as the sender would like.
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ikely to be a limit placed on you by your own provider.
Unless you're willing to switch providers, I don't see that there's
anything more we can do to help you.
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without attachment and without any information about filtering.
[ ... deletia ... ]
> It is certainly possible, but as far as I know, there is no published
> patch for it.
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ideas. It shouldn't be so difficult to get
> routine messages through to a list of 25 people.
Again, you can sign up for the AOL feedback loop. Of all the FBLs
we've signed up for, the AOL FBL is the most active and reports the
most useful information.
Or, you can sign up fo
er or not Yahoo! is
actually capable of importing any archives, or if you will have to
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On 2/29/08, Robert Everson wrote:
> I would like a web interface for users to create lists, without giving
> them access to the master mailman password.
You can have a separate list creator password. No problem.
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