On 19 May 2022, at 12:29, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
> oh. gosh. we've been wrong about this. for 20 years.
Would you care to enlighten me on how the DNC "technological requirements"
differ from the hypothetical "DNE" list we have been discussing, and in
particular, pertaining to the simpli
On 5/19/2022 7:57 AM, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote:
In this case, not really.
oh. gosh. we've been wrong about this. for 20 years.
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Dňa 19 May 2022 13:16:13 -0400 John Levine via mailop
napísal:
> Also remember that the legal rule nearly everywhere outside the US is
> opt-in for bulk mail, so everyone is on the "do not spam" list.
Sure, it is more logical, even more intelligent.
Consider when some smart head will int
> On May 19, 2022, at 11:16 AM, John Levine via mailop
> wrote:
>
> Although they rarely talk about it, every ESP has a suppression list they
> apply to
> their outgoing mail. Partly it's to avoid complaints, partly it's so if a
> customer
> tries to mail to suppressed addresses, they know
On Thu 19/May/2022 14:42:13 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote:
On 5/19/2022 2:41 AM, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
On Wed 18/May/2022 03:01:49 +0200 Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
Note that, in spite of DMARC, we still do not have per-user authentication.
The FTC report required *domain-level* a
It appears that Luis E. Muñoz via mailop said:
>If implemented, the proposal for email could work similarly, if the large ESPs
>took the same approach. This would only leave us with the
>"other" type of spam to deal with. I would think that a spamtrap included in
>the "do not spam" registry coul
> On May 19, 2022, at 8:11 AM, Dave Crocker via mailop
> wrote:
>
> As noted earlier in the thread, there are some actors who are not criminally
> inclined. Ignorant and/or aggressive, but willing to follow the rules, or at
> least mostly. So, for example, they properly identify themselves
On 19 May 2022, at 10:11, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
> Telephone-level DNC is a different category of technological requirement.
> Very different.
In this case, not really. As implemented in practice, you have to run your list
of phone numbers through a filter that will remove matching phon
On 5/19/2022 6:58 AM, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote:
On 19 May 2022, at 9:41, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
So, sure. We haven't been able to do individual-level blocking, so let's add a
requirement for an additional bit of complexity. That will probably make this
mechanism work a lot bet
On 2022-05-19 at 09:58:37 UTC-0400 (Thu, 19 May 2022 09:58:37 -0400)
Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
is rumored to have said:
IIRC, there is (was?) a "National Do Not Call List" implemented in the
US at the federal level. Telemarketers and other organizations are
required by law to scrub their own li
On 19 May 2022, at 9:41, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
> So, sure. We haven't been able to do individual-level blocking, so let's add
> a requirement for an additional bit of complexity. That will probably make
> this mechanism work a lot better...
Heh, appreciate the humor. It certainly won't
On 5/19/2022 6:30 AM, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote:
On 19 May 2022, at 8:42, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
[⋯] Domain level is not sufficient.
But is it though? A corporate providing email to its own users should certainly
be able to express a policy that it does not want to allow any fo
On 19 May 2022, at 8:42, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
> [⋯] Domain level is not sufficient.
But is it though? A corporate providing email to its own users should certainly
be able to express a policy that it does not want to allow any form of mailing
list email to its users.
Best regards
-l
On 5/19/2022 2:41 AM, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
On Wed 18/May/2022 03:01:49 +0200 Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
Note that, in spite of DMARC, we still do not have per-user
authentication.
The FTC report required *domain-level* authentication. They wrote:
...
They were assuming t
On 2022-05-19 05:41, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote:
Couldn't the Do Not Email Registry also be domain-based?...
It could. Rodney Joffe (if my memory serves me right), implemented that
very thing and offered it up for domain owners to use.
AOL and several other majors, including very
On Wed 18/May/2022 03:01:49 +0200 Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
On 5/17/2022 4:40 PM, Anne Mitchell via mailop wrote:
"why we can't do that", culminating in "the Commission concludes that, under
present conditions, a National Do Not Email Registry in any form would not
have any beneficial impa
Following up to this issue...
The 'comments' field while requesting a delisting is obviously not being
looked at by Spamhaus.
Opening a case via their contacts page worked smoothly and the cause
was found in a 'too aggressive rule' that has been fixed in the
meantime, but still no very clear stat
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