Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Should Revolutionaries Work in ReactionaryTrade Unions?

2008-12-31 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Well, I used to work for a big union Litigation Department, which was at the time 10 or so years ago about 50 yards to the left to the of rest of the union. (Shh, don't tell anyone.) And we, or some of us, would discuss this at lunch or after work. What are we doing in this place? (It wasn't a v

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The theologicalization of Marx.

2009-01-21 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Now that's an ugly word, Charles. Did you make it up yourself? --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Charles Brown wrote: > From: Charles Brown > Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] The theologicalization of Marx. > To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 4:07 PM > Waistline2 9 > >

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Translation history of Das Kapital

2009-05-31 Thread andie nachgeborenen
You are correct. FYI the present IP edition of Vol. II "makes extensive use" of the 1893 Kerr edition but names no translator. The MECWE identifies the translator as Charles Untermann. MECW uses the Moore and Aveling translation of vol I (approved by Engels, Aveling was his son-in-law) but not

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Paul Cockshott on Leonid Kantorovich and the socialist calculation debate

2009-06-04 Thread andie nachgeborenen
It's not a Nobel Prize. It's Nobel MEMORIAL Prize. Not sure the point of the question about the creation of the Prize (?) in a context of the fear of the success of socialism, idea is that the Prize was meant to shore up capitalism by honoring its apologists? (Not all NMP have been capitalist

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Paul Cockshott on Leonid Kantorovich and the socialist calculation debate revisited

2009-09-22 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Leontiff also won the Nobel Memorial prize in economics -- not for work he did in the USSR, though. He had great respect for Marx, I believe contributed a paper to an MR anthology on Marxist Economics put together by David Horowitz (!) in the old days. Oskar Lange, later like Kantoworitz a hand

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Paul Cockshott on Leonid Kantorovich and the socialist calculation debate revisited

2009-09-22 Thread andie nachgeborenen
The spell checker replaced Kantorovich with Kantorowtz, and I didn't catch it. Please insert the correct name. Sorry. --- On Tue, 9/22/09, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > From: andie nachgeborenen > Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Paul Cockshott on Leonid Kantorovich and the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Paul Cockshott on Leonid Kantorovich and the socialist calculation debate revisited

2009-09-22 Thread andie nachgeborenen
issues raised by Karl Marx and > the thinkers he inspired" > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:34 PM > On 9/22/09, andie nachgeborenen  > No state exists anymore that even > aspires to a nonmarket system, and none is likely to > emerge. > > > CB: I know

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

2005-03-08 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I have always wondered about the fruitfulness of abstract consideration of "dialectics," particularly where they are (it is?) discussed as a "method." Here Jim F seems to suggest the SJG thought that dialectics was a "method" or at least a heuristic for producing hypotheses. I have never seen any

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

2005-03-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't speak to THE DIALECTICAL BIOLOGIST, as I > haven't read it, though it > is gathering dust somewhere. The Dialectics of > Biology group produced a > couple of interesting books, mostly without mumbo > jumbo, as I recall. I > assume you mea

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Does G�del Matter?

2005-03-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I actually met Goedel 30 years ago while a Princeton undergraduate philosophy major. I looked up across the table at the Student Center and saw him eating a cheesesteak, a truly disgusting NJ/Philly concoction. I was eating one too. I stammered and said, uh er, Dr, Goedel, your work has given mea

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Does G�del Matter?

2005-03-16 Thread andie nachgeborenen
"The life of the law has not been logic, it has been experience" -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., The Common Law No shit. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ralph Dumain > I'm not aware that he was a social critic, but > according to Rebecca > Goldstein, he was a first class metaphys

Re: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Does G�del Matter?

2005-03-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > > > > > VFR Was thinking of Hegel, not Gödel. From his > biography, Gödel sounds > > like he belongs to the same cloud-9, right-wing, > mathematician category as > > Nash. I think just apolitical > > > > ^ > > > > CB: Heisenberg was on good terms with the Nazis. Good enough, though there

Re: [marxistphilosophy] Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-05-20 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > In the case of Mach, he was insistent that > scientific concepts must be definable in > observational terms. By doing so, he maintained > that physics could be purged of all extraneous > metaphysical and theological notions. > Thus, in his *The Science of Mechanics*, > he delivered his famou

Re: marxistphilosophy] Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-05-20 Thread andie nachgeborenen
>CB: One thinks of Marx's comments about the need for abstraction to make up >for inability to directly observe in certain aspects of science. Empiricists, hard-boiled phenomenalists, Berkleyean idealists, etc., don't object to the use of sbatrction in science. They wouldn't do science any diff

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] George Resich's *How the Cold War Transformed Philosophy of Science*

2005-07-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
As Reisch describes it, the Unity of Science > movement was > committed to demonstrating the fundamental unity of > the sciences > including the natural sciences, the behavioral > sciences and the social > sciences, and the Unity of Science movement was > interested in using > social science to ex

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] In Defense of Philosophy

2005-08-16 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this particular > work by Cornforth was > later incorporated into his SCIENCE AGAINST > IDEALISM. > > I'm still trying to process the fact that this > person apparently trained in > some sophisticated philosoph

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] In Defense of Philosophy

2005-08-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > > > Lost it's hold? Recall whom Quine quotes in his > > epigraph to Word and Object -- Quine was a > > right-winger. In fact, Neurath's dialetical holism > is > > central to the internal deconstruction of LP by > > Hempel, Carnap, and others, and corew to the > emerginge > > neopragmatism that

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] In Defense of Philosophy

2005-08-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem with presentations of diamat is not the > ontology, Well Hegelian and neo-Hegelian "logic" is really an ontology. People can disagree about whether it is of more than historical interest; some of the Soviet philosophers who worked in t

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] In Defense of Philosophy

2005-08-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You aren't jks, are you? Yes > > All this info is fascinating indeed. In the final > analysis, what are your > or Jim arguing? Surely you're not judging the value > of the Unity of > Science movement by the politics of their adherents, > are y

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] In Defense of Philosophy

2005-08-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Charles, I think you do not have to be a Stalinist, Trotkyist, or Maoist to differ with the position you attribute to Ralph. Or eveb, necessaryy, a Marxist. I say "attribute to" because I don't think Ralph believes that philosophy should (is is be insulated from politics in the way that Jim says (

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] The Galileo Legend

2005-08-28 Thread andie nachgeborenen
This is, or was, an area of semi-expertise of mine (ignorant as I am of the relevant languages) -- I actually studied History and Phil of Science and worked on the Galileo case. (a) Bellarmine was a brilliant inquisitor and an able scientifiuc (as we'd say) analyst; he had plausible criticism of Ga

[Marxism-Thaxis] Useful new edition og the Manifesto with commentary

2005-10-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Phil Gasper's an old friend of mind, very smart. This is worth buying. jks New from Haymarket Books http://haymarketbooks.org/ THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO A Road Map to History's Most Important Political Document by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels edited by Phil Gasper Here, at last, is an authori

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Brutal vigor of the Middle Ages

2005-10-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
The degree of technological advancement in the middle ages is also underestimated. These are the people who built those cathedrals, invented three-field crop rotation, and a good many technological advances. Years ago I read a book by Lynn White on medieval technology. True, technological developme

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Critique of pragmatism

2005-12-05 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > The Science of Dr. W.E.B. Du Bois By Dr. Anthony > Monteiro > > MONTEIRO: Pragmatism as articulated by James > and later John Dewey held that human knowledge was > severely > limited to immediate experience. Totally false. Ridiculously ignorant. Only an illiterate or someone who ha

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Critique of pragmatism

2005-12-05 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I never got anything out of Cornforth. Maybe I should make another pass at him. Maybe the reason that the exposition of the diamat is awful i=has to do with the subject matter . . . . jks > > -Original Message- > From: andie nachgeborenen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Critique of pragmatism

2005-12-06 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> Typically shallow. > > Hook tried to drag Dewey into Marxism but failed. Possibly. But Towards The Understanding Of Karl Marx is the only book by an American Marxist one can seriously compare to, e.g., Lukacs' History and Class Consciousness. If it is a failure, it is magnificant one -- a f

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism

2005-12-08 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Marx rejected philosophy as ideology; I don'tthink he paid special attention to metaphysics. Engels' piece of Feuerbach is really limited to Marxism as the end of German idealism. (As such he's probably right about that, even if his idea that revolutionary practice will replace philosophical anlys

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism (reformatted)

2005-12-08 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles Brown : > I have to admit that I speak about 1/5 tongue in > cheek on the end of philo, but I do think that > Engels is correct in the long run, and that much of > those doing philo now are going over old issues that > were settled a while a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Haldane on metaphysics

2005-12-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Since when was materialism (the doctrine that all there is, is matter) other than a metaphysical thesis? It is true that Marxism has had litle to say about metaphysics and most of what little it has had to say, e.g., in Engels' Dialectics of Nature, has not been very good. --- Charles Brown <[EMA

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism (reformatted)

2005-12-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> andie nachgeborenen > > > Settled? > > ^^^ > CB: From the standpoint of Marxism, settled, or > obsolete. Marxism holds that > there is progress in human knowledge. I dond't disagree. It seem to me, though, that philosophy is defined by the big questions

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism (reformatted)

2005-12-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Is quoting Rorty per se expressing oneself badly, Ralph? --- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JKS expressed himself rather badly for a > professional philosopher, esp. quoting Rorty, __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the b

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism (reformatted)

2005-12-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Jim Farmelant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:01:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Ralph > Dumain > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > JKS expressed himself rather badly for a > professional philosopher, Excuse _me_, Jim. Don't be a typical philosophical snob. (Ralph is just being

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] end of philosophy? (2) -- Marx

2005-12-10 Thread andie nachgeborenen
So far as this goes I don't have much disagreement if any. Marx thought that his turn away from Hegelian philosophy. which he regardrd as the pinnacle of philosophy up to that point, was the natural next step, Hegelian philosophy having accomplished what it could within the realm of thought and hav

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] end of philosophy? (2) -- Marx

2005-12-10 Thread andie nachgeborenen
quot;Philosophy" is a good old word, I see no reasons to let it be hijacked by someone with a specialized agenda. --- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:10 AM 12/10/2005 -0800, andie nachgeborenen > wrote: > >So far as this goes I don't have much disagreement

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism (reformatted)

2005-12-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > One might well ask, what does it even have to do > with the needs of Marxism? > The mistaken idea of Marxism sequested off as a > separate branch of knowledge > and a special approach to science and even > philosophy--where did it come > from? > > > CB: Marx > > Where does Marx m

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism (reformatted)

2005-12-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
My point was just that this was a task that 2d and 3d Int'l Marxism set for itself -- contrary to what Shane says, it wasn't created by von B who in fact offered a solution that works based on certain abastract and unrealistic conditions. (That solution was adopted by Sweezy in his Theory of Capit

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Logical Empiricism (reformatted)

2005-12-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Charles, M& E did not have, nor prestend to have, all the answers. Circumstances have changed, new analysis are needed of the changed circumstances, old ideas were left half-developed and in any case need testing and extension -- this is totally obvious,unless you are a fundamentalist who thinks, "

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Philipp Frank on the mystification of physics

2006-01-08 Thread andie nachgeborenen
. > > ^ > CB: It sems possible that Heisenberg may have had > some rightwing political > conscoiusness, I believe. Heisenberg was fairly right wing. In his autobiography he recalls serving in the militai that helped put down the Spartakus rebellion, and of course, though no Nazi, he later st

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Thing-in-itself

2006-01-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> ^^ > CB: The reason I say that is that Frank uses the > term "thing-in-itself", > which is pretty much associated with Kant. And Frank > criticizes it as an > idealist concept , which is the same thing that > Engels and Lenin do. Although Kant was a "transcendental idealist" and and an "empi

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Correction: _Unknowable_ thing-in-itself

2006-01-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > Engels terms Kant a angnostic Clearly wrong, Kant is no agnostic about either the empirical world we know or about the TII we can't know. _Hume_ might be an agnostic, but Kant considers himself to have answered Hume and Berkeley -- see his secion in the CPR on the Refutation of Idealsim. o

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Unknowable thing-in-itself

2006-01-10 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I've done what I can to explain why this is wrong. Kant rejects the position you attribute to him, he sxpressly argues against it, and he offers an alternative. It is not what he'd called a transcendental realist" alternative, which is sort of what you want, the idea that we can have knowledge of t

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Correction: _Unknowable_ thing-in-itself

2006-01-10 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > ^^^ > CB: The definition of materialism I am using is the > one Lenin gives in > _Materialism and EmpCrit_. The existence of > objective reality. And objective reality is: maybe > realism about the "external world," that is, the > claim > that there are some things that are independent of >

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Unknowable thing-in-itself

2006-01-10 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> results. Absolutely. And some people think you can dispense with the complicated stuff altogether. > > At 01:03 PM 1/10/2006 -0800, andie nachgeborenen > wrote: > >You really must stop repeating the words of Engels > and > >Marx and Lenin as if they were gospel and requi

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Further focus on Engels definition of materialism

2006-01-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Well, "spirit" and "nature" are not transparent terms either, not is "primacy," so it's not much help to say that idealists make spirit primary to nature and materialists vice versa. This is a Hegelian-flavored formula that is highly specific to a narrow philosophical tradition. Moreover, Engels

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Further focus on Engels definition of materialism

2006-01-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Sort of up against the wall with two deadlines, so very briefly 1) With Kant the issue is, the correct characterization of his views (which is very hard), and the incorrect characterization, as a sort of Berkeleyean (which is easy). This matters for lots of reasons, undewrstanding the context of

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Further focus on Engels definition of materialism

2006-01-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
8:22 AM 1/11/2006 -0800, andie nachgeborenen > wrote: > >Well, "spirit" and "nature" are not transparent > terms > >either, not is "primacy," so it's not much help to > say > >that idealists make spirit primary to nature and > >mat

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Correction: _Unknowable_ thing-in-itself

2006-01-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
them what is this materialist > realism > >you are defending? What is the significance of > >defending it? > > What have Quine and Rorty done to your mind? Taught me how to think . . . . Or is > it the legal > profession? Surely you know what emergent > materialism is--of which > dialectical

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Exactly what Frank was talking about

2006-01-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Fuck this shamefaced vacillation shit. Coming up with an account of what realism might be that is not vacuous and is reasonably coheremnt scientific is really hard, also I am somewhat unclear on the point. (I don't believe Charles' ide that it promotes atheism or Ralph's idea that it fights irrati

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Like Kant, he doesn't know anything

2006-01-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
d ended up at Hume, of > course, but Kant arrived back > at Hume UNKNOWINGLY ! > > And then there's the great Kantian swallowing > ontology up in epistemology > question. How do ve know ve know ? Is it possible to > know anything? Vell , > Kant, of course, I don

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] hull_sociobiology

2006-01-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I'm also a moderate fan of sociobiology. A lot of it is misused ideologically and involves bad science, but you could say the same for Marxism in spades. Within its limits, an especially in connection with sexual behavior where you'd expect it to have most bite anyway, I find a lot of the good work

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Historical materialism

2006-01-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
That Esotonian fellow whose > name I can't remember > also wrote a book on what remains of historical > materialism after a > thorough analytical going-over. > > Yewah, I have that book, forget the author's name. So did Erik Wright, Andrew Levine, and Elliot Sobor, Reconstructing Marxism, very

Externalism/Intrrnalism (Was: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] hull_sociobiology)

2006-01-26 Thread andie nachgeborenen
The concepts are not hard and I can't recall any free-standing discussion of them. "Internalism" is the ide athat scientific change is driven by factors "internal" to science itself -- problems posed by the consistency of theories with observation, the coherence of the theories themselves, whether

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] hull_sociobiology

2006-01-26 Thread andie nachgeborenen
An interesting idea, but it's a stretch. Internalism emphasizes the thoughts of scientists, externalism puts more emphasis on the broader social community. But the thoughts of scientists are those of the scientific community, and in Kuhn's standard version, revolutionary science is a response to t

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] hull_sociobiology

2006-01-26 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Kuhn said in his later years that he was sorry he ever gave currency to the word. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andie: An interesting idea, but it's a stretch. > > ^ > CB: Yea, I saw your post after I posted. > > By the way, "paradigm" has gained remarkable > currency in

Miles, Bebop & Cool (Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Cool_African_philosophy)

2006-02-02 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Miles, bebop? I don't think so. He did play with Parker for bit but that was before be made himself into Miles. Bebop is high-voltage variations on chord changes, set up the melody with eight or 12 or 16 bars played in unison, then rapid fire solos, often escalating to flurries of 32d notes, often

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Arguments for origin of philosophy in Egypt

2006-02-03 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Bernal, in his Black Athena, has a scholarly version of this argument. This is dumb stuff, anachronistic and plain stupid. Importing modern notions of "Black" and "white" into the ancient world is anachronism, apart from the fact that the Egyptians were not "black" in anything like the sense inte

RE: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx and essentialism

2006-02-07 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Political felinology, of course. Althusser, Hegel, and Marx were deficient in this. It is Charles' contribution to Marxist theory, where it goes by the name of the study of Brownian Movement. --- Phil Walden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reply to CB below: > > First of all, it makes > the transf

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Dennett on religion & eovlution

2006-02-13 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I don't think that there is anything wrong with biological explanations of social behavior if they're sensible done with proper methodological standards. One thing that has to be remembered in this context is that a "biological" explanation --a proper one -- is ipso facto an environmental explan

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Dennett: Greedy_reductionism

2006-02-15 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Without taking credit where it it isn't due, I made this point (better) in a 1991 paper, Reduction, Elimintaion, and the Mental (Phil of Science). But I'm not importtant enough for anyone to read my stuff. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Dennett: Greedy_reductionismandie

2006-02-15 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I agree that any claim of reduction, whatever that may mean in a particular context, has to be examined for each case. I say this in the paper. I argued (and I'm adding a bit here): 1) People regularly confuse reduction with elimination, the demonstration that, e.g., genes are DNA (this is puttin

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] questions

2006-02-15 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > in the U.S. Smith Act prosecutions were initiated > under Truman , a Democrat > . Roosevelt, actually. Against the SWP. The CPUSA cheered them on. Sang a different tune when their own leadership faced prison under the Act. > > > The Palmer Raids were under Wilson ( I think) 1919. Sort

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> As for critiques of Engels and diamat, there's > little original left to > say. Two sources that immediately come to mind are: > > James Scanlan, Marxism in the USSR (1985) > > Richard Norman (good) and Sean Sayers (bad), HEGEL, > MARX, AND DIALECTIC. Both excellent. See also: Gustav Wetter

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Soviet economic success

2006-05-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
thanks for the ref, I'll get this book. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Soviet economic success > > http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/7611.html > Co-Winner of the 2005 Ranki Prize, Economic History > Association > Farm to Factory: > A Reinterpretation of the Soviet Indus

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Soviet economic success

2006-05-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Gbgkrxksnkphl? Mphlmp! Brtzm. jks --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Soviet economic success > > andie : > > thanks for the ref, I'll get this book. > > > > > CB: > > welcome > 1) ïðèâåòñòâèå > * you are welcome to *INF* > * welcome! > 2) æåëàííûé > ïðèÿòíûé > 3) ïðèâåòñò

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Kant & "Serious Marxism" (Was & Bhaskar)

2006-05-25 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Paddy Hackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paddy Hackett: I dont see how any serious marxist > can forge an argument by > using Kant's categorical imperative. It's talk like this that helped persaude mt that the term "Marxist" is merely an impediment to clear thinking and socialist practic

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Kant & "Serious Marxism" (Was & Bhaskar)

2006-05-25 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> > I suspect that when people argue that Marxism is > incompatible with Kantianism they have in mind > such people as Eduard Bernstein or Nicolas Berdyaev > who started out as Marxists but who over time > drifted > away from Marxism. So the Bolsheviks said about Bernstein, but why think they had

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Your hatred of Israel oozes

2006-07-24 Thread andie nachgeborenen
It's true that Israel has an imperfect democracy which privileges Jews on a racial basis(your mother has to be Jewish), but which accords Israeli Arabs some but not equal rights. It is in this respect better than South Africa. Iran also has an imperfect democracy -- one where the guy with the most

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Rosa Lichtenstein on "Wittgenstein and Marxism"

2006-08-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
The last thing W wanted ro be was a major philosopher. The point of his whole later work was to "shew (Brit sp.) the fly the way out of the fly bottle," and reveal that philosophy was a sort of mistake. Of course, if he felt that way he might just have stopped doing philosophy and done something e

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Rosa Lichtenstein on "Wittgenstein and Marxism"

2006-08-15 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Ralph Dumain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All this is rather superficial, however. I think > Ernest Gellner nailed the > essentially conservative nature of Wittgenstein's > philosophy. Oh, agreed. W thought that philosophy done right "leaves everything as it is." That is a quote or at lea

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] God is Nietszche - dead

2006-08-20 Thread andie nachgeborenen
These anti-Nietzsche remarks are childish. As I have said there is a lot in to criticize, also to learn from, but this Nietzsche the inspirer of Nazis and racists is just stupid, I mean, idiotic, and I m not using this in the Ralph Dumain "I'm pissed" sense, it's really dumb and uninformed. This cr

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] God is Nietszche - dead

2006-08-21 Thread andie nachgeborenen
equivalent of calling Marx a proto-Stalinist. Don't take up bandwidth with that moronic shit any more. That doesn't mean: don't criticize N. Or Marx. It means: criticize them intelligently. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > andie nachgeborenen : > These anti

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] God is Nietszche - dead

2006-08-28 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Some short answers for misunderstandings: N is not a racist, despite his talk of races. He doesn't, e.g., think that whites are superior to blacks because of "blood" or "race" or a lot of the common 19th C & subsequent lies. He's such an elitist that he thinks that most Europeans are pretty infer

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Robert Service

2006-12-15 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Very scholarly, careful, state-of-the-art research. Not terrifically sympathetic, to say the least. But if you are interested in Soviet Russia, you MUST read Service. --- paddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is Robert Services book on Lenin any good. Also the > ones on Stalin and > Russia. > > Pa

The Big Bourgeoisie Like Affirmative Action (Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Nappy-headed Hos of the World Unite!)

2007-04-17 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I don't know if the BB wants racial harmony -- I believe that there is somerthing to the divide and conquer theory of the persistence of racism (John Roemer has a theorem on this, FWIT!) -- although they surely don't want race riots. But the BB has always liked Affirmative Action. (It was urged by

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] West_Side_Story: artists romanticizing gangs

2007-05-06 Thread andie nachgeborenen
WSS is coming to Chicago on tour, as a degenerate Sondheim fan, I await this with considerable eagerness. I am also a hopeless fan of gangster movies and stories, and an occasional client. But the gangs romanticized in WSS are so abstract and stylized it is difficult to think of them in the same

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] West_Side_Story: artists romanticizing gangs

2007-05-07 Thread andie nachgeborenen
The real hoods like their neighborhoods nice and crime free. Youth gangs learn early, fast, and the hard way not to fuck with the Mafia. I have sories, but later. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As for the relationship between youth gangs and > underworld crime, I > guess th

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] West_Side_Story: artists romanticizing gangs

2007-05-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
The story about Joe K as a bootlegger is romantic but untrue. The Kennedy money was from Rose F's dad, Honey Fitz, Mayor of Boston, big time Mass politician, and hand over first crook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Fitzgerald Joe himself made his money as a successful stock speculator and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] West_Side_Story: artists romanticizing gangs

2007-05-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
extortion, bribery, and after 1970, RICO. But Daley p was never caight and Dalet F probably won't be. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > andie nachgeborenen > The story about Joe K as a bootlegger is romantic > but > untrue. The Kennedy money was from

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Mark Jones on life in the USSR and after

2007-05-30 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As originally posted to the Marxism International > list: > Point of this blast from the past? Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Smart Ass

2007-07-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
It's a joke. How can it be an urban legend? --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Turns out this is an urban legend too. > > > > A stranger was seated next to a little girl on the > airplane when the > stranger turned to her and said, "Let's talk". I've > heard that flights

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Notion of falsifiability (from RE: Presentations to the Fifth International....)

2007-09-30 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I am not sure about what is wrong with staying close to the intuitive judgments of science. It is only partly accurate to say that falsifiability has not received any interest among philosophers of science. First, things are more complicated. The question to which Popper posed the falsifiability

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Jury Duty Scam

2008-01-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Never give this info on the phone unless you have absolute certainty of the identity of the other party. --- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is this a suburban legend ? > > ^^^ > > Jury Duty Scam > > DO NOT DELETE WITHOUT READING! > > This has been verified by the FBI (their

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Gil Scott-Heron

2008-04-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I didn't realize, altough I am not surprised, that Scott-Heron, whom I saw a few years ago, was doin drug time. Art Pepper and Frank Morgan both did real hard time. Art Pepper wrote a book about it, Straight Life, that is quite good. Drug abuse among musicians is commonplace, unfortunately, not

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Gil Scott-Heron

2008-04-19 Thread andie nachgeborenen
lins Brass/Trio", as these were two of the only > albums my uncle > ever played out of his jazz collection. (The third was > Earl Garner's > "Closeup in Swing"--you gotta hear "El Papa > Grande", baby, my > all-time favorite.) > > I met Heron

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-05 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Jacoby is really out of touch here. "Linguistic analysis" is at least a generation dead. We are at least two generations from the last of the LPs; I had the honor of being taught briefly by Carl Hempel, one of the last of and greatest of the lot. Hegel is off the untouchables list, at least s

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-08 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Little in the training of analytical philosophers prepares them to do historical scholarship. In this respect they are like lawyers who write legal history, at best inspired amateurs. Sometimes inspired amateurs can be quite good or better. Kuhn was a physicists who taught himself history of sc

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School > To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 4:20 PM > Logical Positivism was a relic even when

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> ^^^ > CB: I really don't have a dog in this hunt, and I > appreciate the general survey of the state of philo, but I > thought Jacoby said that Marx, Freud and Hegel aren't > taught much. I didn't read what you said as majorly > contradicting that. ?? Sop far as he's saying that, yes. So far a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-13 Thread andie nachgeborenen
ow argues that Marxian VT presages the triumph of capitalism. The Chinese would love that. > > > At 11:08 AM 8/13/2008, Charles Brown wrote: > > >>> andie nachgeborenen > > > >If there are they aren't contributing much to a > theoretical renaissance >

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-13 Thread andie nachgeborenen
n.utah.edu > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:08 AM > >>> andie nachgeborenen > > If there are they aren't contributing much to a > theoretical renaissance > of Marxism visible from the Anglo-American-European world. > > > CB: Maybe we can dis

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-13 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I used to have Anti-Oedipus, even taught some of it once many years ago, but in accord with my current philosophy of selling anything I haven't used in 10 and don't see using in another 10, I sold it on Amazon. I recall its been sort of fun. --- On Wed, 8/13/08, CeJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
ivel, and the guest of honor was Dick Gregory, who > spouted more > ignorant crackpot gibberish this time than I've ever > heard him > speak--and that's saying quite a mouthful. Apparently > his illiterate > grandma represents the sum total of human knowledge and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Studying philosophy at the New School

2008-08-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
> CB: Ok, but the "theory" needed is more some kind > of extraordinary > strategy to get around the extraordinary viciousness and > material power > of the capitalists.it's not abstract theory, > philosophy or critique > of political economy. Die Philosophen haben die Welt nur verschieden i

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Ossetians

2008-08-14 Thread andie nachgeborenen
There is a different explanation that had some currency in Sovietological circles. It is that Stalin's nationalities policies deliberately encouraged the cultivation of national identities and differences, in part attempting to secure central power by cultivation of local elites (often creation

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Letter to a Marxmail subscriber

2008-09-18 Thread andie nachgeborenen
Call me a Kantian liberal then. I acknowledge the "linguistic division of labor," as Hilary Putnam (then in PL) called the need to defer to real expertise that any given person necessarily lacks. If I want to learn about medicine, I consult a doctor, if something is wrong with my car, I take i

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Obama falters McCain the winner

2008-10-08 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I have no intention of defending BHO's idea of taking the "war on terror" of Afghanistan and, if he deems it necessary, to Pakistan. I'm a knee-jerk, US Out Of ___ anti-interventionist, and even if I were not, the Afghan war is even more lost than the Iraq war, if possible. I think the depar