Re: [marxmail] Trump: "Make them Riot. Do it."

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Re: [marxmail] Campaigning to end the electoral college

The Electoral College has no redeeming value. Once upon a time, together with the 3/5 clause, it guaranteed the slaveocracy yet another way of stifling any moves to restrict their "peculiar institution." It was retained as it gave disproportionate clout to the new Republican railroad-dominated sta

Re: [marxmail] Campaigning to end the electoral college

This has always been a democratic issue (small "d") and socialists were making an issue of it from their first step into national campaigns. The Democratic party has had ample opportunities to get rid of it since its founding in the 1820s. The last time this came up seriously was in the 1970s wit

Re: [marxmail] Trump: "Make them Riot. Do it."

Checked it this morning, Charlie. You're absolutely right. L On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 9:52 PM Charlie via groups.io wrote: > So it's big. Your claimed "Make them riot" occurs only the one instance I > quoted. Use the search function. > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive al

Re: [marxmail] Trump: "Make them Riot. Do it."

It's a big document. There are several accounts from Pence, his testimony being sustained by staffers. On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 6:43 PM Charlie via groups.io wrote: > Where? On page 8 of the prosecutors' motion, it is again not Trump himself: > > P5—a Campaign employee, agent, and co-conspirator of

Re: [marxmail] Trump: "Make them Riot. Do it."

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-presidential-immunity-jack-smith-redacted-motion-document-pdf-rcna173714 On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 5:41 PM Mark Lause via groups.io wrote: > The document filed by the government does. > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 5:11 PM Charlie via groups.io

Re: [marxmail] Trump: "Make them Riot. Do it."

The document filed by the government does. On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, 5:11 PM Charlie via groups.io wrote: > The article does not attribute the quote to Trump. It says: > > The colleague then suggested the situation could escalate into unrest > similar to the Brooks Brothers Riot during the 2000 Flori

[marxmail] Trump: "Make them Riot. Do it."

Just unsealed documents indicate that prosecutors have documented Trump's orders on January 6: "Make them riot. Do it." https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/make-them-riot-key-evidence-unsealed-in-donald-trump-election-interference-case-article-113885807?fbclid=IwY2xjawFqoT9leHRuA2FlbQIx

Re: [marxmail] thank you, ultra left sectarians

I don't think I misunderstoof\d you, but I apologize if I did. On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 6:21 PM gojko rakic via groups.io wrote: > To help you. That my stament shoud be an obvious response to "It will > likely distract people from the real struggle and contribute to a continued > faith in these pe

Re: [marxmail] thank you, ultra left sectarians

My central concern is to leave ourselves the best possible grounds for mass movement after the election. My biggest objection is to the "my way or the highway" dogmatism that uses the electoral On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 5:58 PM Mark Lause via groups.io wrote: > I didn't i

Re: [marxmail] thank you, ultra left sectarians

I didn't invent anything. I directly uoted what you wrote. You also said earlier that you deigned to discuss these questions because they were settled. I don't give a shit about arguing for sake of arguing with you or anyone. When I take the time to write something for the list or social media,

Re: [marxmail] thank you, ultra left sectarians

gojko rakic via groups.io wrote: > John, > There is no any real strugle in the US that will help workers. Most > workers prefer Trump. > This is the heart of the difference. The idea that there is no real struggle benefiting workers outside the electoral process really sums up the argument. We

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

Receiving anything that disagrees with you as "testiness" is a hoot. Especially after one of your cothinkers on this question posts just to say to he doesn't have to post because those who disagree with him are irrelevant and powerless. The maximize the use of a list like this involves weighing a

Re: [marxmail] thank you, ultra left sectarians

And this election's award for arrogance goes to . . . . On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 2:56 PM gojko rakic via groups.io wrote: > Artesian, > > I said at the beginning "Here are some arguments from someone more > eloquent than me." > > I could leave just links to those articles but I wanted to highligh

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

I dont know why anyone who thinks the Marxist Left has accomplishes so little and can accomplish so little would be on a Marxist list. And.I wouldn't begin to spend time unraveling you reductionist oversimplification of consciousness. On Mon, Sep 30, 2024, 1:48 PM Marv Gandall via groups.io wrote

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

The well being of the movement has to be our primary consideration. Its reconstruction and cultivation is essential if anything positive will happen. Without it, we are at the mercy of the boss class and its politicians. There may be different ways of seeing how that applies in an election. But i

Re: [marxmail] thank you, ultra left sectarians

That's the one-shot argument. No there is no need to answer anyone skeptical On Sun, Sep 29, 2024, 7:50 PM gojko rakic via groups.io wrote: > I repeat myself, leftists should vote for a Democrat in this presidential > election. There is no need to answer Dennis Brasky's comments because > they

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

I think it's hard to hold the one-off position and not be drawn into the general strategy of reforming the Democrats or pushing them to the Left. On Sun, Sep 29, 2024, 3:17 PM sartesian via groups.io wrote: > Why is any of thisAngela Davis or some exec of the NLG "coming out" > for Harris...

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

There's no basis for these fantasies. The war ended because of developments independent of presidential whims--the heroic persistence of the Vietnamese, the fact the U.S. troops were becoming less reliable, our efforts to bypass Democrstic efforts and keep as many feet in the streets as we could, e

Re: [marxmail] Repeating the request for required write-in names.

Thanks much, Charles. On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 5:18 PM Charles Keener via groups.io wrote: > I wrote Jill's campaign manager and he said he's work on it. > > Charles > > On Friday, September 27, 2024 at 05:37:09 PM EDT, Mark Lause < > markala...@gmail.com> wrot

[marxmail] Repeating the request for required write-in names.

They might well not count this ballot if they have a particularly standardized name or names. Use both names? Middle initial? Do I use Butch or something more formal? I'm frankly confused as to why there's not something on the website. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all mes

Re: [marxmail] thank you, ultra left sectarians

Reimann does not address, much less dispute, what Dennis or I or the administrators or anyone else writes. He just slanders us as ultra-left sectarians. How convincing and persuasive that non-argument is. The only national anti-fascist coalition that exist is in between your ears--and on the an

Re: [marxmail] Why socialists should argue for a vote for the Democrats: Some lessons from history

There is no "anti-fascist coalition" in this election. A coalition represents different interests combining in pursuit of a common goal. Socialists voting Democratic have no distinct visibility or influence in the election whatsoever. Your ballot WILL be indistinguishable from that of Dick Chen

[marxmail] To bring the election discussions down to earth

I just got my mail-in ballot. On those courts--which the Democrats say are so important--we have seven positions. The Democrats haven't contested one single position. Not a one. Nor are the Democrats contesting three of the remaining seven position. We have only Republican candidates for State Rep

Re: [marxmail] "Democrats LOST The Muslim Vote" (Interview w/Jill Stein & Butch Ware)

Stein isn't on the ballot in Illinois. There are no instructions as to how to do a write in that will be counted. On Thu, Sep 26, 2024, 4:15 PM Charles Keener via groups.io wrote: > (1607) "Democrats LOST The Muslim Vote" (Interview w/Jill Stein & Butch > Ware) - YouTube

[marxmail] Verso Books needs help-it has a kickstarter

whatever we can. Every bit will help. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/versobooks/comrades-verso-needs-your-support-for-radical-publishing Let's pull together on this. It is the sort of project that speaks to the long term needs of the movement. Cheers, Mark

Re: [marxmail] Jill Stein: "We condemn all war criminals"

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[marxmail] Should Harris repudiate the support of war criminals like Cheney and practicing fascists like Gonzales?

Many of us agree with Democratic politicians that Trump should repudiate the support of David Duke and the worse of the MAGA morons for their putrid "extremist" rhetoric. The endorsements of Harris by Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales raises a question as to whether Harris should repudiate them be

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

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Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

To throw a spanner in the works here, let's acknowledge that Trump is nothing but the symptom of the MAGA disease. If he is defeated, as I'm fairly sure he will be--and trounced at that--what will the new administration do to clear the loonies out of the Congress, nobble together something to prop

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

Marv deliberately failes to engage in any subtles necessary to address this subject honestly,. The fact is that Dubya's hack lawyer who wrote the justification for torture now endorses Harris. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alberto-gonzales-kamala-harris-endorsement/ . . . and he joins Dick Cheney.

[marxmail] Green Red Podcast

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Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

The Congressional ballot is a district where the seat is in play is not the same as presidential vote in a solid blue (or red) state. On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 3:14 PM Michael Meeropol via groups.io wrote: > I admit, I did that in Pennsylvania last time around and am sending > postcards this time

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

I'd be more interested in this discussion if there were any hope that a pragmatic approach would actually be addressed. Instead we get Marv's sock puppets and other sweeping generalizations that are innately ahistorical in that they ignore the necessity of addressing these questions in their spec

Re: [marxmail] Post-mortems on the Sep 10 debate

That and the fact that the climate only came up because they were asked. And that at the end. As Jane Fonda pointed out last night, we can't afford another four years of inaction on this. On Wed, Sep 11, 2024, 9:31 AM hari kumar via groups.io wrote: > I did not watch it - A mix of I could not b

Re: [marxmail] Remarkable Documents Lay Bare New York’s History of Slavery

Perhaps the most famous product of slavery in New York was Isabella Baumfree, born in the 1790s and grew up speaking Dutch in Ulster County, New York. She had to escape enslavement in 1826 and waged a long fight to get her children free. She became a follower of the self-described Prophet Robert M

Re: [marxmail] Is Trump Building an Army of Modern Blackshirts? | The Nation

The fact is that the Democratic leadership also favors a restricted franchise and the exclusion of all but itself and the GOP. It's what they have been doing for decades, and they're showing no signs of changing it this year. The idea that its victory in the election will somehow open up politics i

Re: [marxmail] Is Trump Building an Army of Modern Blackshirts? | The Nation

Brother Reimann acknowledges " that the present situation does not fit the Marxist formula for Bonapartism or fascism." Nevertheless, he then hallucinates a crime committed by "almost all socialists - Marxist or otherwise" in not "warning about the dangers of the fascist connected Trump and his Re

Re: [marxmail] Just offered as Food for Thought (on the election, from a Facebook post)

Thanks, Dennis. On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:27 PM Dennis Brasky via groups.io wrote: > An excellent response Mark. I put it on my FB page! > > > On Sep 8, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Mark Lause via groups.io gmail@groups.io> wrote: > >  > The recent Biden-Harris embrace of

[marxmail] Just offered as Food for Thought (on the election, from a Facebook post)

The recent Biden-Harris embrace of the Republican positions on the border illustrate how the American political system works. The innate media predisposition to hype fear and conflicts (bigger audiences and more profits) massages everything to the right in reaction. It also caps a long train of R

Re: [marxmail] AOC, let’s drop the DNC talking points & have a real debate

Stein's rather noisy about Gaza, which I didn't know was in the U.S. A. Learn something new every day , I guess. On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 6:04 PM Avram Rips via groups.io wrote: > Not through Jill Stein basically for pennant occupancy of Ukraine by > Russia and certainly doesn’t care about the des

Re: [marxmail] Political Collapse: Lessons From Fallen Empires

Let me second the recommendation for the Fall of Civilizations. It is superb. On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 3:43 PM stevencolatrella via groups.io wrote: > Anyone here who doesn't know "The Fall of Civilizations" channel on > YouTube, it is arguably the best thing on the whole Internet. > > Great doc

Re: [marxmail] Will the Post-DNC Pivot on Palestine Hurt Harris?

Never take on face value what politicians might say in a campaign. Just like you can never take on face value what a government at war might say. On Fri, Sep 6, 2024, 12:17 PM Charles Keener via groups.io wrote: > > Since her speech at the DNC , Kamala > Harr

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

That is an honest description of the similarities. A recognition of those similarities is essential to an honest evaluation,isn't it? You do not challenge the reality of those similarities but translate them into a denial of any differences, which they are not.. I don't need or want the final wo

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

I have said repeatedly that they are different. God knows why since it doesn't register. Partisan politics is a sports team decision for most. When you move into the Left, it becomes a religious question . . . I do think we should celebrate the election with a brass band leading a parade of straw

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

So you think that Lenin would have us support Harris . . . . :-) On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 3:11 PM Marv Gandall via groups.io wrote: > Again, Mark, the Democrats only acquired the support of the AFL and CIO > unions from the 1930's, and it was only then that the CPUSA oriented to it > in much the sa

[marxmail] interesting and humorous review of political history since the 1980s

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Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

7;t recall Lenin's suggestion that we should support Woodrow Wilson on that basis. And, if so, Lenin would have been dead flat wrong. He would not have been the true heir of Lenin. :-) On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 10:39 AM Marv Gandall via groups.io wrote: > On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 07:46 AM

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

No illusions, Marv. I think you are changing the subject without realizing it. That is, you seem to think that a working class party that doesn't advocate the overthrow of capitalism is a "bourgeois" party. To re-jump the century to get back to 2024 . . . Trump is the symptom of a disease that h

[marxmail] The Ghost of Roy Cohn

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Re: [marxmail] Jill Stein, Cornel West: stalking horses for Trump, Putin and Assad, Part 1

If you actually believe #3, you seem to have lost your ability to count or handle numbers. The vast majority of Americans who regard themselves as "socialists" take your position. If you actually believe #2, you are a classic conspiracy theorist--not in the sense of believing there might be a cons

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

The Labour Party of the 1920s isn't the same as the Democratic Party of 2020s. I shouldn't have to spend a post pointing this out. :-) On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 8:38 PM Marv Gandall via groups.io wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 03:28 PM, Charles Rachlis wrote: > > So why would Debs, Lenin and Trot

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

On Marv's questions. (1) yes, given the electoral college, it only matters in swing states. My vote for Harris or Trump would not matter in Ohio which will go for Trump or in Illinois, where I now live which will go Democratic regardless of my vote. (2) Theoretically, yes. It did not happen on 2000

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

Yes, but what does that do? The class criteria might suit European political parties, but what we have here are a corporate capitalist duopoly and a series on non-party one-shot protest candidates. (I'm not including RFK who was always just trying to slip into one or the other of them.) No sectio

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

nce and the United Front that just won the > election. > > > > > > Dr abrahim > > > > > > > > > > *From:* marxmail@groups.io *On Behalf Of *Mark Lause > via groups.io > > > > No idea what on earth you could possibly base that suggest

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

No idea what on earth you could possibly base that suggestion on, Abraham. Certainly not anything I wrote. The point I made was that no independent candidate that gets any kind of following in a U.S. election can expect not to have one or other of the major parties or a faction thereof from trying

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

I've heard this stuff about the West campaign (and Stein's) for months. We'll hear more of it. In and of itself, it doesn't necessarily tell us anything about the campaign. My last book (_Counterfeiting Labor's Voice_) talked about how Democrats (and Republicans) regularly infiltrated every major

Re: [marxmail] Why do so many workers live Trump?

The flaws in the policies of FDR and Truman are not arguments for accepting them in the Clinton-Obama-Harris incarnation of the Democratic Party. They're apples and oranges . . . and actually rather rotten apples and moldy oranges at that. Both Build-back-better and negotiations over drug prices

Re: [marxmail] Why do so many workers live Trump?

There were studies back in 2016 indicating that the average Trump voter was worth somewhat more than the average Clinton voter. I suspect the skewered numbers in terms of race had much to do with that, but the ideas that workers are particularly inclined to Trump seems dubious. The demographics o

Re: [marxmail] Forum assessing US 2024 elections

So, the basic divide is whether we vote Democratic or "ignore the the overt threat of fascism and MAGA." If we can't have a more honest discussion here, we're just wasting our time. On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 9:00 AM hari kumar via groups.io wrote: > Dear Anthony: I think your idea for such a for

Re: [marxmail] Re; All it says in Jill Stein's platform regarding Ukraine

Not to spring any surprises on anyone here, but Stein or West are going to be in no position to promulgate anything on Russia or Ukraine. On Sun, Aug 18, 2024 at 11:51 AM Duane Filan via groups.io wrote: > Dr Abe - "What Ukraine solidarity? Does this mean solidarity with the > Russian Ukrainian

[marxmail] Review of my latest book--relevant to the current election

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Re: [marxmail] Many More than I predicted: C. West/M. Abdullah on ballot in 16 states

That's how I would read it, but I suspect they posted it while they were collecting signatures, because it's been saying it since, I think, early summer at the latest. On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 3:40 PM Mark Baugher via groups.io wrote: > > > > On Aug 14, 2024, at 12

Re: [marxmail] Many More than I predicted: C. West/M. Abdullah on ballot in 16 states

He's only on the ballot in six states. The campaign web page indicates the status is pending in another seven but it's been saying that for a long time. The West campaign doesn't even respond to emails. One can only conclude that ot fizzled quickly and too thoroughly to give any notice of it. On

Re: [marxmail] Can the Republicans steal the election?

The question as to whether an electoral decision is "tactical" misses the entire essence of the issue. "Tactical" to what purpose? To what end? What do you expect it to achieve? It seems evident right now that, barring some big surprises, the Trump house of cards is tumbling. That leaves the qu

Re: [marxmail] Don't support Jill Stein for president: a reply to Howie Hawkins

There's plenty available from this list on why the Green Party is the way it is. The only way for any insurgent party movement to emerge in the U.S. is begin winning local victories . . . and to demonstrate that the voters get something out of those local victories. This is why the course of Sawan

Re: [marxmail] JD Vance and looming fascism

The media interest exaggerates the strength of Vance, etc., but they'e nothing particularly new. Opportunist politicians pandering to what they think will win them elections. I don't think Vance can tie his own shoes without an instruction manual to consult, an advisor to read it for him, and two

Re: [marxmail] Don't support Jill Stein for president: a reply to Howie Hawkins

It's official DNC bullshit, and the math doesnt begin to sustain it. Ot was an excuse for having run a poor campaign and, having won any way, not having to backbone and brains to prevent its being stolen. On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 5:04 PM Dennis Brasky via groups.io wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 5:

Re: [marxmail] Don't support Jill Stein for president: a reply to Howie Hawkins

I really hesitated to pitchin into this again, because it's like arguing with someone coming to the door with a Bible or the Book of Mormon trying to save your soul. Still . . . Come election day, residents of most states will already know how their states are going to vote. Illinois will go D

Re: [marxmail] Split from the CPUSA?

Are the Moonies doing entry work? On Fri, Jul 26, 2024, 11:16 AM Mark Baugher via groups.io wrote: > > > > On Jul 26, 2024, at 5:42 AM, workerpoet via groups.io earthlink@groups.io> wrote: > > > > The CPUSA split off from the Socialist Party back in 1919 over support > for the Bolshevic rev

Re: [marxmail] Split from the CPUSA? CPUSA replies

I suspected as much. Some sort of online alleged CPs were swapping officers positions a few years back. Of course, there are MAGA Communists who think Putin is a Communist, just like the Democrats regularly describe him. Trumpthink. It come from polluted water. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 6:20 PM Char

Re: [marxmail] Thoughts on the West and Stein campaigns

I see the revolutionary core of it as the direct action activists engaged in undermining the security of slavery by aiding runaways. This started small, among mostly free blacks but it esclated to the point where you had groups like John Brown's, raiding into Missouri. There are analogies to late

Re: [marxmail] Thoughts on the West and Stein campaigns

successful insurgency unless it grows from mass movements in which people are voting with their lives 24/7 to defeat an inhuman order. For the present, we are capable of making the point that needs to be made. On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 1:34 PM Mark Lause via groups.io wrote: > You'll find som

Re: [marxmail] Thoughts on the West and Stein campaigns

ted officials of the > Republican Party were mostly former Whigs, like Lincoln, who were united > (loosely) under a new platform. > > I wonder if there are any studies of the formation of the Republican Party > from a Marxist perspective. > > SR > > On 07/10/2024 8:06 AM PD

[marxmail] Thoughts on the West and Stein campaigns

A few thoughts here on the campaigns of West and Stein. 1. We need a real, militant independent party, not just one-shot protest votes. It might make people feel better to "speak truth to power," but the real question is seizing power. That means organizing, an engaged mass membership, a leadersh

Re: [marxmail] Drop Out Biden

As the laws are, people with this kind of money have ways of making what they favor rather secretive. They are clearly divided. If th we y weren't, they'd have probably already picked a president for us. 😀 On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 11:07 AM Michael Pugliese via groups.io wrote: > *Michael Meeropol* <

Re: [marxmail] Drop Out Biden

What I don't understand is the big carfufle over something that means nothing. John is in California, which is going to Biden, so a vote for him is just a wasted throwaway that won't carry any weight at all as to the victory or defeat of Trump. The alternative would be to use the ballot to send a m

Re: [marxmail] email from list member re: "Never vote for a Democrat"

Nobody's saying there all the same. This is just the drunken drum major leading the partisan parade of straw men goose-stepping ahead of the float with the emperor modeling his new clothes. On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 6:10 PM Charles Keener via groups.io wrote: > I am Green Party and don't say Biden a

Re: [marxmail] Here is a survey of editorial comment from quarters that have been broadly supportive of Biden.

All of this is a media-generated panic. The first polls after the debate actually indicated that there might have been a slight bump up for Biden . . . not based on his performance but on the assholiness of the Orange Jesus. It's just too late to replace Biden. And it'd be pointless. The same lu

Re: [marxmail] On Juneteenth, Freedom Came With Strings Attached

Juneteenth is celebrated for understandable reasons. But its existence strikes me as a rather sad sign where things were going to go in the Reconstruction. Texas slaves were actually emancipated with the other enslaved people in those areas in rebellion against the United States on January 1, 186

Re: [marxmail] The Lesser Evil Gambit - CounterPunch

The assertion that a vote for A is actually a vote for B because it wasn't cast for C is just an excuse to wallow in the systemic mass hysteria of self-deluded hard cider partisanship currently fueled by all the BS that mass media can produce for us. Those on the left also enjoy a straight shot fro

Re: [marxmail] On Tuesday, Biden demonized the protesters as hate groups.

Yes, the Populists succumbed to racism in 1896, but they did so by largely folding themselves into the Democratic party--THE PARTY OF SLAVERY, SECESSION, AND SEGREGATION! Every time Democratic apologists try to appeal to a progressive legacy in the party, they wind up cherry-picking. :-) The Dem

Re: [marxmail] to "Never Biden" voters: We need a plan

How is this not just another scare tactic to push people into voting for Biden? I don't think there's a lot of reliable evidence to indicate that Trump is headed to a victory, though I frankly concede that I don't understand how he could have defeated a garden gnome in 2016. For this reason, I th

Re: [marxmail] An Interview with Jill Stein

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Re: [marxmail] Self-immolation at the Trump Trial

Thanks for the article. It is minimally informative. Much of the country has--to one extent or another--figured out the two-party flim-flam. It is a big leap between recognizing that and setting yourself on fire. I didn't raise the issue because I expected a solid answer, at least not in the nea

Re: [marxmail] Self-immolation at the Trump Trial

Alas! The notorious NY Times subscription linke. I'll check it out though. I did hear a general reference to this belief in "conspiracy theories," but it never ventured into specifics. On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 10:09 AM Glenn Kissack via groups.io wrote: > [image: 20fire-profile-top-01-vgbq-fac

[marxmail] Self-immolation at the Trump Trial

The authorities--and the media--claim that they don't know anything about the motives behind the self-immolation outside the start of Trump's trial. They're just saying that the fellow probably had some personal issues. (Ya think?) He was hoping to draw attention to something he saw as important

Re: [marxmail] Why did the Supreme Court - unanimously - enable Trump to stand?

This way of blocking Trump's reelection was doomed. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment had no teeth in it because it wasn't really effective at keeping "insurrectionist" from returning to office. The Confederate general whose troops burned part of the town I grew up in wound up the governor of the sta

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

Sawant did well but SAlt seems to have abandoned an entirely successful project for reasons that were never explained clearly . . . other than wanting to do other things. On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:07 AM Marv Gandall wrote: > John, I'd be interested, and I'm sure others would be too, in your vie

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

It always astounds me how radicals can take very left-wing positions while swallowing aspects of the Great American BS hook line and sinker. Anyone who thinks that teachers or academics don't pay a price for being openly radical--and run a risk of paying even more--is simply delusional. -=-=-=-=

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

As to when the Democrats drank their version of the kool aid, I've addressed the unchallenged facts of this every election. It didn't come out of Carter but the defeat of George McGovern, something the DNC at the time preferred rather than to lose power within the party. Leaders of American politic

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

The question boils down to what ballot will most encourage the working class and its allies to rely on, cultivate, and exercise their independent power. The rest is just stale haggis. Whatever they put on the label, it's stale haggis. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all m

[marxmail] New York Times video on January 6 storming of U.S. Capitol

It is a real accomplishment for the Times to have put together such a coherent visual account of the assault. Other media has shown clips but the full version is here: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/10007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io

Re: [marxmail] Attack on Critical Race Theory: Racism & McCarthyism

CRT is infuriating, but we need to understand that it's about Republicans posturing for the base. The courts will have little choice but to kill it because the legislation is written so stupidly that they're not even clearly defining what they want to suppress. And being clear about what they wan

Re: [marxmail] How the Santa Fe Railroad Changed America Forever

The peaches keenest. On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 4:22 PM wrote: > Gee, isn't capitalism swell! Wythe > > On June 25, 2021 at 10:22 AM Dennis Brasky wrote: > > >> >> >> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/santa-fe-railroad-changed-america-forever-180977952/ >> >> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Gr

[marxmail] Independent Working class candidate for Cincinnati City Council

Independent and the DSA is organizing a canvas to support him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#9407): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/9407 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/837

Re: [marxmail] Wuhan "Leak" Nonsense Buried Finally

Can't read it without a subscription on LA Times site, but it's also here. https://californianewstimes.com/hiltzik-why-the-covid-lab-leak-hypothesis-is-quackery/376383/ On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 4:02 AM wrote: > Somebody gets it straight at last: > > https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-06-

Re: [marxmail] Organize to Stop Republican Threat!

John, Didn't you cast a ballot that was indistinguishable from those cast by the DSA leaders? But I do get your point here. Over the course of the last half century and change, I think we've seen some choice opportunities slip right through our fingers. How you can have an issue like BLM that s

Re: [marxmail] Biden's Wuhan Boogie

Agreed entirely. Yesterday I was listening to a news station on the radio interviewing one of the purveyors of this insanity. The interviewer raised the question of whether the Wuhan unit released the virus by accident or otherwise. The latter involved the notion that that people hoping to cause

Re: [marxmail] GOP Still Wants to Pretend the Preservation of Slavery Wasn’t a Major Reason for the American Revolution - CounterPunch.org

The movement for colonial independence began and always remained strongest in New England. The mid-Atlantic seaports moved along in support after the Tea Act. The Southern planters at no point had any immediate reason to involve themselves, excepting some of the Virginians who were looking more

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