On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 12:11 +0200, Egmont Koblinger wrote:
>
> I disagree that a 20hrs/week commitment is required from someone. I
> don't think it's the right model, and we're unlikely to find anyone.
> There were times (about a year ago) when I had tons of time to
> contribute, yet mainstream d
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 21:20 +0200, Egmont Koblinger wrote:
> Another thing that occurred to me: to save on long term development
> costs, we should simplify the codebase and get rid of alternatives.
Hi Egmont,
These are all good points, and I generally agree, but it would be good
to first estima
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 14:33 -0500, Steve Rainwater wrote:
>
> Is the list of active developers on the above site up to date or is
> that the list old developers who announced they were leaving?
It's up to date, and includes those, who were still active lately, but
announced that they would like
rticipate/develop as much as I can to help in free time.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Michal
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Mike Smithson"
> > To: mc-devel gnome org
> > Cc: mc gnom
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 02:47:02PM +0200, Yury V. Zaytsev wrote:
> Under these circumstances, I can stick my own (very negative) opinion
> of Github issue tracker somewhere deep down, and accept that the tools
> are chosen by those people who do the real work. If they like Github
> issues and they
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Yury V. Zaytsev wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 08:23 -0400, Volodymyr Buell wrote:
> >
> > That's the reason to decommission existing infrastructure asap - you
> > pay for the things that work against your productivity.
>
> I've heard this before, and you still ha
Hello,
On Sat, 30 May 2015 14:59:04 +0200
"Yury V. Zaytsev" wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 15:22 +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> > Everything will be done on best effort basis, just the same as was
> > done before, and as always the case with OpenSource projects.
>
> That's nonsense; most succe
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 15:22 +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> Everything will be done on best effort basis, just the same as was
> done before, and as always the case with OpenSource projects.
That's nonsense; most successful open source projects have drivers who
are either employed to invest time i
Hello,
On Sat, 30 May 2015 13:57:32 +0200
"Yury V. Zaytsev" wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 14:08 +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> > But I was asked would I take maintainership myself, and I provided
> > the answer.
>
> Sorry, I missed "the answer" in your numerous emails.
Please see numbered l
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 08:23 -0400, Volodymyr Buell wrote:
>
> That's the reason to decommission existing infrastructure asap - you
> pay for the things that work against your productivity.
I've heard this before, and you still haven't explained how it works
against *my* productivity, or the prod
Yury,
That's the reason to decommission existing infrastructure asap - you pay
for the things that work against your productivity.
I see that you not so interested in migration as you didn't answer my
question in private. So I'm asking it here:
1) What db backend do you use in trac?
2) I'm ready
Hello,
On Sat, 30 May 2015 13:56:54 +0200
Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 02:08:37PM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 May 2015 11:53:58 +0200 Oswald Buddenhagen
> > wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:46:08AM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> > > > You again tr
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 13:56 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> (midnight-commander.org is owned privately by slavaz).
Just to set the record straight:
1) The domain itself is now paid & managed by me through a collective
account, to which Slava and the rest of the team have access to.
2) In what
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 02:08:37PM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> On Sat, 30 May 2015 11:53:58 +0200 Oswald Buddenhagen
> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:46:08AM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> > > You again trying to over-complicate. Start from a clean page on
> > > github, while invite c
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 14:08 +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> But I was asked would I take maintainership myself, and I provided the
> answer.
Sorry, I missed "the answer" in your numerous emails. My understanding
was that there was no answer, that is you don't want to make any clear
commitments you
Hello,
On Thu, 28 May 2015 12:11:04 +0200
Egmont Koblinger wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
[]
> Instead, I believe it should be a core with 3-5 people who have
> similar working style and similar vision of the project, and each
> contribute just a few hours per week.
Yes. And generally, it would be nic
Hello,
On Sat, 30 May 2015 11:53:58 +0200
Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:46:08AM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:28:15 +0200 "Yury V. Zaytsev"
> > wrote:
> > > For example, one could have set up a script to import Trac tickets
> > > into Github I
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:46:08AM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:28:15 +0200 "Yury V. Zaytsev" wrote:
> > For example, one could have set up a script to import Trac tickets
> > into Github Issues. There are many half-way working scripts floating
> > around, but they need t
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:46:08AM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> And, btw, can current github committers be enumerated please? I based
> a maintainer list in the original mail based on "Midnight Commander"
> org on github: https://github.com/MidnightCommander . It doesn't
> include you, Yury, so
> > I also cannot promise 20hrs in a week but I would like to
> > participate/develop as much as I can to help in free time.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Michal
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Mike Smithson"
> > To: mc-devel gnome org
> > Cc: mc
gt; I also cannot promise 20hrs in a week but I would like to
> > participate/develop as much as I can to help in free time.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Michal
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Mike Smithson"
> > To: mc-devel gnome org
> > Cc: mc
ect.
>
> I also cannot promise 20hrs in a week but I would like to
> participate/develop as much as I can to help in free time.
>
> Regards,
> Michal
>
>
>
> From: "Mike Smithson"
> To: mc-devel gnome org
> Cc: mc gnome org
> Subject: Re: "
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 07:26:22AM -0700, Mike Smithson wrote:
>
> Bah. Mc is not "over". Things change, that's all.
[...]
>
> That's my 2 cents worth.
>
> Take care, and best wishes for those who are moving on to bigger
> and better things. Thank you for your labors.
I agree 100%.
--
Marco
Another thing that occurred to me: to save on long term development costs,
we should simplify the codebase and get rid of alternatives.
Slang and ncurses - keep one, drop the other
Glib regex and pcre - same
Charset: there are 5 possibilities handled by branches throughout the code
(built with/w
evel gnome org
Cc: mc gnome org
Subject: Re: "mc is over!?"
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 07:26:22 -0700
Bah. Mc is not "over". Things change, that's all.
I've been into mc since I don't know when. The first time I
used it. Mid/late 90s
Bah. Mc is not "over". Things change, that's all.
I've been into mc since I don't know when. The first time I
used it. Mid/late 90s I'm guessing. I saw how it floundered
in the 4.6 series. I shrugged and kept tweaking and hacking my
version. A few years went by and I looked it up again, purely
o
Hi guys,
I'm sorry to hear about this... but honestly it didn't surprise me. I
think anyone could have seen that this was going to happen, it was only a
matter of time - few months, a year or two maybe.
What I'm really sad about is that the issue has been raised a couple of
times already, yet (f
Hello,
On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:28:15 +0200
"Yury V. Zaytsev" wrote:
[]
> As I have pointed out, the biggest problem is getting someone to
> invest at least 20 hours per week in the maintenance.
Not going to happen. If you guys spent that amount of time on it, good
for you, and kudos. Anyone el
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 14:35 +0200, Luca Lazzarini wrote:
>
> The sooner I get the access to the repository, the sooner I can start
> to check the code.
Hi Luca,
You already have (read) access to the repository:
https://github.com/MidnightCommander/mc
The issue tracking system is (currently) a
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 22:58 +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> So, there's a bug tracker which doesn't get responses or even triaging,
> actually for months it's not even possible to submit a ticket at all.
> There's development mailing list, where it's barely possible to get a
> response from mainta
Hello,
On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:04:33 +0200
"Yury V. Zaytsev" wrote:
[]
> If you have been following the development, it would have been known
> to you that, as a matter of fact, all relevant discussions to the
> development of mc in the last 4-5 years were happening in Russian
> speaking Jabber
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 12:30 -0400, Volodymyr Buell wrote:
> Just give people a chance and github would bursting with mc
> extensions...
Let me give you an example:
One contributor came up with an idea to fix a bug & add a new feature;
the patch was applied without much ado. A severe regression
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 18:42 +0300, Mooffie wrote:
> Second, Andrew Borodin has been doing a tremendous (and fantastic)
> work of cleaning up the code. People perhaps aren't aware of this. It
> won't be right to say that MC stagnates.
Andrew was one of the best maintainers that I have seen so far,
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 13:37 +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> There was a post on a popular Russian-speaking IT site geektimes.ru
> authored from an account with an associated full name "Ilia Maslakov"
> titled (translated) "ms is over!?": http://geektimes.ru/post/250964/
I can confirm that this is
Everything you said is right. But what current mc lacks are new features.
Developers can be very good at code refactoring or cleaning-up or rewriting
the editor to support charset detection... but in reality what people want
is the tool that do what THEY want - and yes, plugins ARE the solution.
Ju
On 5/27/15, Volodymyr Buell wrote:
> Please organise a pol to choose a right person.
>
> Personally my opinion - why not to give a steering wheel to Mooffie
Hey, hold the horses. I'm not at all a programming hotshot, and being
practically anonymous here so far, I should be treated with suspicion.
Please organise a pol to choose a right person.
Personally my opinion - why not to give a steering wheel to Mooffie - the
author of mc^2 fork? It seems like he did much more for mc than anybody
else in past few years.
I suggest his candidature.
On May 27, 2015 8:19 AM, "Slava Zanko" wrote:
> --
On 5/27/15, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> happens within your team. Whatever it is, please show goodwill by
> adding Egmont Koblinger to the maintainer team, if he agrees
I second that!
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Hi Luca,
27.05.2015 14:43, Luca Lazzarini wrote:
> Hi all! I am Luca, it is the first time that I write here.
>
> Honestly I cannot let mc die, so I would be happy to offer myself
> as volunteer to help the development.
>
> I am a web developer, for
Hi - Although I just signed on to the team to try to work with documentation, mc
is one of the most important tools in my box. Therefore, despite the fact that I
have very little coding experience on a project like this, I am certainly
willing to learn anything necessary to keep mc alive.
I wa
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27.05.2015 13:37, Paul Sokolovsky пишет:
Hi all,
> The current maintainers, namely Andrew Borodin, Slava Zanko, Ilia
> Maslakov, Sergei Trofimovich - please provide full disclosure of
> what happens within your team. Whatever it is, please show good
Hello,
There was a post on a popular Russian-speaking IT site geektimes.ru
authored from an account with an associated full name "Ilia Maslakov"
titled (translated) "ms is over!?": http://geektimes.ru/post/250964/
Link to author's account is at the bottom of the article:
http://geektimes.ru/users
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