Does an intercooler help in any way on a diesel
When combined with other factors yes it is a big win.
The crazy Finns are using them. So is my Dodge 6BTA.
(T for turbo, A for aftercooler.) Bolting one on alone
does _nothing_!
I was fixated on the "hood scope"
Now I want to lash the Tek
Intercooling also increases the charge density, which means more air
per stroke which means you can burn more fuel. Critical in gassers,
since too high an inlet temp means pre-ignition, or worse, detonation,
but handy in diesels for more power.
Peter
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> ..So the turbo engine only costs $165,000 more than the NA engine?...
>
Turbos always cost more but in this case, the Jet-A engine is entirely new
along with it's ancillary systems.
RLE
>
>
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> ...That's interesting, I would have thought that even though the air is
> less dense at altitude it is also a lot colder...
>
Compressing the incoming air raises it's temperature and the air-to-air
intercooler cools it down but not to ambient, of course. Without the
intercooler, the engine tem
> Minor correction - the Jet-A engine is in the new 182 to replace the
> turbo
> Continental engine. The NA 182 still has a Continental 0-470
>
Yes, I mistyped that. I assume you read the reviews in AOPA Pilot and
Flying.
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Dry (unsaturated air) adiabatic lapse rate = ~ -5 degrees F/1000 feet rise
in altitude and ~ -1 degree C/3000 feet rise in altitude.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dense Intercoolin
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On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 PM, OK Don wrote:
> Cool! Fly over to 33OK and show me!
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> I bought one of those
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct
Peter,
Thanks, I hope we're both right. Thursday night I'll check it out.
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Peter Frederick wrote:
>Sounds like battery to me, that's how all of mine have quit, although
>usually when cold out.
>
>Easy to check -- turn the headlights on and crank
Both connectors are part of the overflow system, and in fact all the
fuel from the last one goes all the way through the others and back to
the tank. Doesn't matter which one has the plug. The nozzles always
leak a bit, they have to in order for the poppets to move, so there is
an interna
Curt,
Matters not!
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Cool! Fly over to 33OK and show me!
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> I bought one of those
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Craig wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> And a bit OT, there is a new Fr
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:53:21 -0400 Mitch Haley wrote:
> OK Don wrote:
> > Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a
> > bargain!
>
> So the turbo engine only costs $165,000 more than the NA engine?
It does cost that much more, but it's a turbo diesel, not a turbo
gas
Ever since I changed the fuel filters in my '84 190D I've noticed a whiff of
diesel when idling or when first starting (which I guess is idling). I checked
all around the new filters but couldn't find any leakage. Finally had the head
slap moment when I realized it was the return lines which I'v
I bought one of those
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On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Craig wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> And a bit OT, there is a new French built 4-cylinder Jet-A engine
>> available in the Cessna 172 that is intercooled and pulls nearly 100
>>
Cheap... and Aviation may never be used in the same sentence FAA
rule... I think.. hahaha..
The engine is only $40,000... the paperwork adds the rest to make it an
even $500K
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM, wrote:
> > ..One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel is to lower the
On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:07 PM, "Craig" wrote:
> If I had been accepted by Taylor University, I
> would have been re-learning it ahead of the students.
How is the job search going?
Rick
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OOOooopps.. typo..
Should read:
"Rise in altitude and DROP in temp"
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:02 PM, G Mann wrote:
> Hendrik
> Point well made. True, as you go up in altitude.. temps drop.. [as a rule
> of thumb, 1 degree F per thousand ft. {same rule, different math for
> "meter/Centigrade}].
Hendrik
Point well made. True, as you go up in altitude.. temps drop.. [as a rule
of thumb, 1 degree F per thousand ft. {same rule, different math for
"meter/Centigrade}]. However, along with that rise in altitude, and temp,
you also have a lowering in air density.. In the brief comments previous,
OK Don wrote:
Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a
bargain!
So the turbo engine only costs $165,000 more than the NA engine?
Mitch.
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:15:26 -0500 OK Don wrote:
> Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a
> bargain!
Yes, indeedy! Cheap at half the price!
Craig
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That's interesting, I would have thought that even though the air is
less dense at altitude it is also a lot colder.
Also I found that Diesel engines work better at night, which I guess may
be down to air density?
Hendrik
who is dense
On 03/10/12 09:03, relng...@aol.com wrote:
The important t
Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a
bargain!
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Craig wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > And a bit OT, there is a new French built 4-cylinder Jet-A engine
> > available in the Cessna 172 th
Correction to my correction - the current NA 182 has a Lycoming IO-540 with
the same HP as my Continental 0-470.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:06 PM, OK Don wrote:
> Minor correction - the Jet-A engine is in the new 182 to replace the turbo
> Continental engine. The NA 182 still has a Continental 0-4
On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote:
> And a bit OT, there is a new French built 4-cylinder Jet-A engine
> available in the Cessna 172 that is intercooled and pulls nearly 100
> inches of manifold pressure. It is a compression ignition engine but is
> built for Jet-A, no
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:10:03 -0400 Mitch Haley wrote:
> Greg Fiorentino wrote:
> > This certainly is complex stuff, and I am trying to recall what I
> > learned in Power Lab many decades ago. I think you are correct that
> > I got this garbled.
>
> I had to read the Wiki myself.
>
> For steam
Minor correction - the Jet-A engine is in the new 182 to replace the turbo
Continental engine. The NA 182 still has a Continental 0-470.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:33 PM, wrote:
> > ..One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel is to lower the
> > temp
> > (and pressure) of the intake c
Mitch Haley wrote:
efficiency, 1 - (Th/Tc), gets larger as Th gets larger.
Oops, that's 1 - (Tc/Th), and the negative component does go down as Th gets
higher.
Mitch.
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I too am interested in that answer. I picked up a case of M1 20-50 today since
it is on sale at $5.50qt. There was this advance stuff, but the check boxes on
the shelf data card seemed to indicate it was less gooder than the true M1.
clay
On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:35 PM, WILTON wrote:
> 'Been cou
'Been coupla days without an oil thread, so here goes - what's Mobil 1 Super
synthetic? Friend saw it on sale at Advance and called me with question.
BTW, I've been getting M1 5 W 40 turbo Diesel truck oil at Wally's for last
coupla years.
Wilton
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> ..One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel is to lower the
> temp
> (and pressure) of the intake charge to prevent early ignition
>
The important thing is to lower the temp of the compressed air to make it
more dense and thus lower the CHT. Intercoolers have been around since
I went through this recently with my '78 240D except I had keys for both. My
car had a junkyard ignition with one key and VIN doors/trunk with another. I
pulled the ignition and reworked it so it matches the doors/trunk. After only 2
years under my ownership its finally keyed right. ;)
-Curt
D
On 02/10/2012 4:04 PM, G Mann wrote:
Another name for "intercooler" and a more proper one is "Intake Charge
Cooler"... It's purpose is to cool the charge of air coming into the engine
thus allowing more air to be packed into the cylinder making a more oxygen
dense "air charge" for combustion.[col
Another name for "intercooler" and a more proper one is "Intake Charge
Cooler"... It's purpose is to cool the charge of air coming into the engine
thus allowing more air to be packed into the cylinder making a more oxygen
dense "air charge" for combustion.[cold air is more dense, rule of physics]
Greg Fiorentino wrote:
This certainly is complex stuff, and I am trying to recall what I learned in
Power Lab many decades ago. I think you are correct that I got this
garbled.
I had to read the Wiki myself.
For steam engines, Th *is* intake temperature.
I'm sure Craig could lecture us in det
This certainly is complex stuff, and I am trying to recall what I learned in
Power Lab many decades ago. I think you are correct that I got this
garbled.
One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel is to lower the temp
(and pressure) of the intake charge to prevent early ignition.
Gre
Greg Fiorentino wrote:
Actually a properly set up intercooler on any turbodiesel greatly increases
the efficiency of the engine. The laws of thermodynamics are such that the
efficiency of an engine is proportional to the difference in temperature of
the intake and exhaust gases.
You've said t
Greg Fiorentino wrote:
Ideally the intercooler should act on the air after it has been compressed
by the turbo, not before. This looks like it works on the air from the
"scope", not an ideal setup.
I don't see any underhood pics, but an intercooler before the turbo would be
useless, just rig
Actually a properly set up intercooler on any turbodiesel greatly increases
the efficiency of the engine. The laws of thermodynamics are such that the
efficiency of an engine is proportional to the difference in temperature of
the intake and exhaust gases. So the cooler the intake to the engine t
Randy Bennell wrote:
So, the hood scoop looks a bit odd on an MB diesel but it supposedly
holds an intercooler.
Does anyone think it is effective? Does an intercooler help in any way
on a diesel or is it going against the grain because a diesel needs
heat to fire?
If you're pumping enough
So, the hood scoop looks a bit odd on an MB diesel but it supposedly
holds an intercooler.
Does anyone think it is effective? Does an intercooler help in any way
on a diesel or is it going against the grain because a diesel needs
heat to fire?
Randy
On 02/10/2012 10:42 AM, G Mann wrote:
O
I think he has 5 classes/subjects.
Wilton
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton's son and grandson [was: Re: 123 grille]
WILTON wrote:
Yep. Scared/shocked me when he said he's tak
Ohhh... the racing stripe and I was fixated on the "hood scope"
google couldn't find what that was. h..
Buy it I'm sure it will turn heads at every concours event you take it
to..
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Tim C wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Kaleb C. Stripli
WILTON wrote:
Yep. Scared/shocked me when he said he's taking twenty hours. My
response, "Please, be careful. Don't let it get you "in trouble."
'Asked 'im yesterday how's it going; his response, "Still okay; mid-term
exams in a few days."
The time I took 20 hours there were a couple of f
'Should be hung in the public square before sunset.
Wilton
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http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/3309092304.html
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On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
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> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/3309092304.html
I was wondering what you found odd about this car, but then I saw the
racing stripe.
-Tim
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