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From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:16 AM
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>> I looked carefully at the luxury sedan they [Hyundai] make
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> From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>i kinda think they are the way to go right now. never thought i'd be
>sayi
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:10:38PM -0400, LarryT wrote:
>> Hyundai has some excellent products -
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One of my grandsons has a Hyundai SUV with about (50K?) on it that was
bought new.
A while back he started smelling raw gas. I found a leaking fuel line on
the en
t; Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] (OT) general motors and their old tricks (my old
> story,but i tell it every time they upset me)
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>
> > Naw. Honda and Toyota now are in the same position as GM was 20-30 years
> > ago.
> > They have bee
: [MBZ] (OT) general motors and their old tricks (my old
story,but i tell it every time they upset me)
--- LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hyundai has some excellent products -
I looked carefully at the luxury sedan they make in
the $25k range, and I'll say that it's a fa
I kinda feel the same way. Our 2000 Burb has about 135k miles on it,
body is excellent (except where wifey contacted that corner barrier in
the parking garage), I figure if the engine or tranny craps out, either
get another one at a junkyard or a rebuild or short block or whatever,
for a coupl
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>
> "Hyundai has some excellent products"
>
> I agree. There are a lot of cars out there that will give 75,000-100,000
> of trouble free service. The only problem with a lot of these cars is that
> they will n
Donald Snook wrote:
> I agree. There are a lot of cars out there that will give
> 75,000-100,000 of trouble free service. The only problem with a lot
> of these cars is that they will never get 200,000 miles or 300,000
> miles. I don't know whether the new Mercedes will do that either.
> But, I k
> I looked carefully at the luxury sedan they [Hyundai] make
> in the $25k range, and I'll say that it's a fantastic car
> for the money and very well built.
I saw something like a Kia or Hyundai on the road a couple
of years ago that was very attractive. I had to do a
double-take when I saw the
Larry wrote:
"Hyundai has some excellent products"
I agree. There are a lot of cars out there that will give 75,000-100,000 of
trouble free service. The only problem with a lot of these cars is that they
will never get 200,000 miles or 300,000 miles. I don't know whether the new
Mercedes wil
A Lodge brother has one, about 2003 or so. Has 125Kmi on it, claims Toyota
reliability, great dealer in this area, price speaks for itself.
Pete
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> --- LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Hyundai has
--- LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hyundai has some excellent products -
I looked carefully at the luxury sedan they make in
the $25k range, and I'll say that it's a fantastic car
for the money and very well built. Add to that the
100k warranty and you've got a fairly good long-term
auto,
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i kinda think they are the way to go right now. never thought i'd be saying
> that!
The last time I went to a new car show the Hyundai and Kia products
seemed to have fit and finish equal to, or better than, anything else
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scussion List"
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] (OT) general motors and their old tricks (my old
> story,but i tell it every time they upset me)
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>
> > Naw. Honda and Toyota now are in the same position as GM was 20-30 years
> > ago.
>
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From: "Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (OT) general motors and their old tricks (my old
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> Naw. Honda and Toyota now are in the same p
durability
> and longevity but I've also driven a long line of Olds, Chrysler & Ford
> products that were as reliable.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:07 PM
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yeah, and mercedes is now the jaguar of the 21st century on account of
this. exactly my point.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:34 PM, T
gt; Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:41 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] (OT) general motors and th
you mean like MB?
Kevin wrote:
> Naw. Honda and Toyota now are in the same position as GM was 20-30 years ago.
> They have been playing off past successes and starting to cheapen their
> vehicles. There's going to be a new leader in a few years, and it won't be
> either of them. Wait and see.
>
>
I have never had any trouble with GM trucks. I have had the 350's, the
6.2 and 6.5 diesels, and the 6.6 duramax. Never any major trouble at
all. The 350 gas engine is very cheap and reliable to operate. You can
pretty much buy a rebuild kit in the grocery store and rebuild it in the
parking
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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:41 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (OT) general motors and their old tricks
general motors ecotec engine. snaps timing chains because of insufficient
oiling. GM reacts by telling people it is
general motors ecotec engine. snaps timing chains because of insufficient
oiling. GM reacts by telling people it is their fault and they never heard
of it before.
same old tricks. no, they are not all terrible cars. just a terrible
company that continues to mistreat their stupid customers as a
Gary wrote:
"dude, i'm talking to you about a 2001 general motors car purchased new. the
gm is at the same tricks as they were doing a quarter century before. they
have learned nothing over this LONG time and apply the exact same flim flam
today."
Maybe it's a Saturn problem. Does that mean
] (OT) general motors and their old tricks (my old
story,but i tell it every time they upset me)
i guess i'm hard headed. seems everyone of basically normal intelligence
has already figured out you say to hell with these gangsters and just get a
honda or a t
Sunil Hari wrote:
> They had a (new) 1980 Olds Omega that was a dud as well. Traded that in on
> the Saturn.
My X-car was an early 1980 Citation. Made in April or May of 1979.
Bought it used in 1985 for $500 with 145,000 miles on it.
Broke the 1-2 shift fork in 1989 at 208,000 miles, drove it
to
i guess i will just need to drive an old 240D for a while and see how it all
shakes out
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Naw. Honda and Toyota now are in the same position as GM was 20-30 years
> ago.
> They have been playing off past successes and starting to c
Naw. Honda and Toyota now are in the same position as GM was 20-30 years ago.
They have been playing off past successes and starting to cheapen their
vehicles. There's going to be a new leader in a few years, and it won't be
either of them. Wait and see.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 05:05:37PM -0400, G
i guess i'm hard headed. seems everyone of basically normal intelligence
has already figured out you say to hell with these gangsters and just get a
honda or a toyota
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Take the $3k and put it into a real car. My parents bou
dude, i'm talking to you about a 2001 general motors car purchased new. the
gm is at the same tricks as they were doing a quarter century before. they
have learned nothing over this LONG time and apply the exact same flim flam
today.
the timing chains break on these cars, ruining the engines. t
Take the $3k and put it into a real car. My parents bought a new 92 Saturn
and it was in the shop so much that the Saturn guys started going halfsies
on repairs. We finally traded it in after 8 years and 80,000 miles on a new
2000 Honda Accord that now has 77,000 repair-free miles.
They had a (n
Achievas aside, it seems like the GM stuff you had was fairly high end though.
Comparing something like a le sabre to a ... skylark is like saying the taurus
is a good buy because crown vics are solid cars. And I'm looking at a mid
nineties le sabre this week. For what they cost now, they have a lo
Loren wrote: "our experience with GM junk ended with the 60s engines. Dad
bought a new 64 30 series truck with a 6 cyl. The bores were too badly egged
out by 60 k or so that the block could not even be rebuilt. Then there was the
van, also with a 6 cyl, but it made it to 80k or so with the pi
Or a Ford Focus. Zetec is a good little engine, non-interference so you
don't have to sweat about the timing belt, car is boring but functional
and reliable.
Allan
"R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Dump it and run. If you need a small reliable 4 cylinder vehicle, buy a
> Honda.
>
> Rand
That is a tough call. I'd be inclined to be on the phone to the
district guy or higher. None of the options are too rosey. Why
don't you fix the brakes on your 240D and run it? Seems to me that
someone on the list gave me guff because i called an engine with a
timing belt a piece of crap.
Dump it and run. If you need a small reliable 4 cylinder vehicle, buy a Honda.
Rand
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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:25 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] (OT) general motors
back in the day, my family bought nothing but GM products. then one day my
dad bought one of those 3 box caprices, brand new from hub chevrolet in the
bronx. it was a damn nice car!
this was about the time when GM decided to put the THM200 transmission
designed for the chevette on full sized car
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