I drove a 5 speed diesel Hyundai Atos in France. Fuel economy was over 50
mpg equivalent.
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 6:58 AM mitch--- via Mercedes
wrote:
> On 2022-09-26 22:54, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 17:05, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The old 1.6L
On 2022-09-26 22:54, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 17:05, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
The old 1.6L Rabbit diesel was said to burn a pint per hour, so a
modern
GDI engine is about twice as thirsty as a 40 year old diesel.
But the old Rabbit diesel had about 40HP
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 17:05, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> The old 1.6L Rabbit diesel was said to burn a pint per hour, so a modern
> GDI engine is about twice as thirsty as a 40 year old diesel.
But the old Rabbit diesel had about 40HP (when new) or so?
On 2022-09-26 13:58, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The
car shut itself off for 23 minutes, approximately, and saved a
reported 0.195 gallons of fuel.
How big is the engine?
A 1.4L Cruze runs about .25-.28 gallons per hour, or
You don't think the MB engineers took the extra starting cycles into
account when they spec'd out the starter? I do.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 3:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> The service rep at the dealership said there is a separate battery in the
>
OK - running at the lowest RPM
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:46 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is
> idling,
>
>
> Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really?
> Let's see what it is
The service rep at the dealership said there is a separate battery in the
Bluetec models that handles this feature ("Ecostart"), so the main battery
is unaffected. Not sure how all this extra work affects (degrades) the
starter...
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 4:24 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
That was kind of my thought, but with engine management controls the way they
are nowadays I would think it might be minimal compared to the “good ‘ol days”
of carburetion.
-D
> On Sep 26, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Wouldn't you also expect emissions to be
Wouldn't you also expect emissions to be higher immediately upon start
up than they are once the engine has run for a bit?
Randy
On 26/09/2022 2:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling,
Of course, that term is a
> I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling,
Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really?
Let's see what it is still doing while 'idling':
Recharging the battery
Running the AC, and/or the heat
Running the lights
Running the interior
We had a rental car a couple of years ago that had the auto stop and
start feature. It was a Chevy Malibu if my memory serves to be correct.
It was actually very seamless. I didn't realize it was doing it for a
time. Stop at a light and the motor would shut off. Lift your foot off
the brake
> I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling,
so that's why they shut off - not to save gas.
The government passing laws to help.
"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
"I'm from the government, and I'm not happy until you're not happy."
Rick
> Wow! That kind of savings sure justifies the wear and tear on the starter,
> doesn’t it? (snark)
For something like the Prius (?) this technology makes some sense. The
starter/motor is
large, and direct drive. (No gears.) Very little to wear, in other words, and
with a truly
massive
Wow! That kind of savings sure justifies the wear and tear on the starter,
doesn’t it? (snark)
-D
> On Sep 26, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The car
> shut itself off for 23 minutes, approximately,
When the 2016 Chevy Cruze obtained start-stop technology, it came with a
beefed-up starter and a large AGM battery, along with smart charging and
a current sensor in the battery cable so the car knows amp-hours in vs
amp-hours out. Certain temperature parameters must be met, climate
control
I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling,
so that's why they shut off - not to save gas.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 12:59 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The car
> shut
For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The car shut
itself off for 23 minutes, approximately, and saved a reported 0.195 gallons of
fuel.
AZBob
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> On Sep 26, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Not that I've ever heard.
Not that I've ever heard.
Wife's car has that stop/start and it has a standard-looking 12v lead/acid
battery.
I hate it too. I always disable it when I'm driving. Can't see how the pennies
in gas it might save offsets all the extra wear on the starter.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 12:23, Bob
I know nothing of these setups, other than to say that I had a BMW 3 series as
a rental this past weekend that had that infernal “shut off the engine at every
stop” feature which I was able to disable, thank goodness.
As for a special battery because they do this, I’m calling BS. I have often
Took the Subaru for its service today, since we just put 3865 miles on it, and
I overheard an interesting conversation. A Karen had brought in her Outback
because it didn’t restart after having shut itself off at a stoplight. The
service girl was telling her these cars that shut themselves off
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