Luther:
Certainly, you have a very creative mind I am looking at sun
and wind as a source of power . Photo cells and a small wind turbine
.I am trying to move away from mechanical ...Good luck on your project
Bill
1981 300 TD
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Crazy, some would
Bill Gallagher wrote:
Luther:
Certainly, you have a very creative mind I am looking at sun
and wind as a source of power . Photo cells and a small wind turbine
.I am trying to move away from mechanical ...Good luck on your project
Do you guys read Homepower?
You can
How about getting the compressed air from the exhaust port? No, it's
not really compressed, but the volume flowing into a tank should
result in some compression --- the exhaust stroke is an up stroke
after all.
If you're going to un-balance it, run three cylinders and pump from one.
My MGA would
Then the engine will die from the back pressure.
OK Don wrote:
How about getting the compressed air from the exhaust port? No, it's
not really compressed, but the volume flowing into a tank should
result in some compression --- the exhaust stroke is an up stroke
after all.
If you're going to
You need to get the back pressure from only one cylinder - cut the
exhaust manifold - cap off the ned to the htree powered cylinders,
connect the remaining one cylinder to the air tank.
On 5/4/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then the engine will die from the back pressure.
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, May 04, 2006 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4cyl diesel engine/air compressor conversion
How about getting the compressed air from the exhaust port? No, it's
not really compressed, but the volume flowing into a tank should
result in some compression --- the exhaust stroke is an up stroke
after all
How about getting the compressed air from the exhaust port? No, it's
not really compressed, but the volume flowing into a tank should
result in some compression --- the exhaust stroke is an up stroke
after all.
Then the engine will die from the back pressure.
I do not see this, how is it
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4cyl diesel engine/air compressor conversion
How about getting the compressed air from the exhaust port? No, it's
not really compressed, but the volume flowing into a tank should
result in some compression --- the exhaust stroke is an up
Perhaps, but mine gave me about 100k trouble free miles - one H2O pump
was all. I did have to replace the rear (original MG) U-joints
frequently though ---
Good luck with the Midget - it was a tight fit in the A.
On 5/4/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's not saying much if you
Now that's the ticket! The discarded 617 manifold would provide five
possible flanges for the last hole - plenty to experiment with.
A natural plan would be to put a 616 exhaust manifold on a 617
engine, I think it would fit on the front four. Then you wouldn't
even need to cut and weld the
You probably had a better cooling system than stock. Poor antifreeze of the
era killed most of them.
Mike
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From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4cyl diesel engine/air
I've got a wild idea going here. I'd like to take an old 240/220 engine,
make it a 2cyl to run a gen set, and use the other 2 cyl for shop air.
Can this be done? If I think correctly, pair up 14, 23 and the engine
should remain fairly balanced. Then what I'd do is seal off the
Crazy, some would deffinately agree. Is crazy wanting to be completely
off grid for power? I'd like this project to start me down that path of
energy independence. My first goal, creating BioD without commercial
power. I'll use air pressure for mixing and moving oil from barrel to
Luther Gulseth wrote:
I've got a wild idea going here. I'd like to take an old 240/220 engine,
make it a 2cyl to run a gen set, and use the other 2 cyl for shop air.
Can this be done?
Seems like you might need a heavier flywheel to get it to keep running
on two cylinders. Other than
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 4cyl diesel engine/air compressor conversion
I've got a wild idea going here. I'd like to take an old 240/220 engine,
make it a 2cyl to run a gen set, and use the other 2 cyl for shop air.
Can this be done? If I think correctly, pair up
The 617 that I have with #1 rod broken and a semi large hole in the block runs
as smooth at any of the other 617s that I've heard. Makes me believe that MB
engines are so well designed that they'll run short a cyl or two
~
~Step one is to take any handy 240D and crack the lines to two of
Oh duh, if I seal off the intake/exhaust manifold, the valves won't make any
difference. It was late when I said that.
~Luther,
~ Getting a bit complicated there..No need to mess with the valves for
~the compressor side. All you would need is a check valve in the line tapped
~off
I would think one cylinder would give an immense amount of air - especially
if you only need 150psi or so. Maybe get creative and allow switching one
cylinder from running on fuel to pumping air via the glow plug port
depending on your need for power or air pressure at any given time? Maybe
On Wed, 3 May 2006 23:07:58 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With sealing the valves and intake and exhaust for the air compressor
cylinders, the compressor cylinders will operate like a 2-cycle
engine. Just make sure the air inlet has low enough restriction or
you'll pull quite
On Thu, 04 May 2006 09:00:48 -0400 Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Oh duh, if I seal off the intake/exhaust manifold, the valves won't make
any difference. It was late when I said that.
In fact, thinking about it, there's no need to seal off the intake/exhaust
manifold, either.
Why not just have the engine run a generator and an air compressor?
Luther Gulseth wrote:
I've got a wild idea going here. I'd like to take an old 240/220 engine,
make it a 2cyl to run a gen set, and use the other 2 cyl for shop air.
Can this be done? If I think correctly, pair up 14, 23
Maybe you should also just move to montana or somewhere while you are at it.
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Crazy, some would deffinately agree. Is crazy wanting to be completely
off grid for power? I'd like this project to start me down that path of
energy independence. My first goal, creating
engine/air compressor conversion
Why not just have the engine run a generator and an air compressor?
Luther Gulseth wrote:
I've got a wild idea going here. I'd like to take an old 240/220
engine,
make it a 2cyl to run a gen set, and use the other 2 cyl for shop air.
Can this be done? If I
Good idea. You could drive the air compressor off the front crank
pulley.
Two big crank-connected cylinders pumping flat out will provide
_much_ more air than anything you could hook to the front crank
pulley. Though a York AC compressor makes a nice air compressor
for smaller needs.
The
This will take some experimenting. I might start with removing the injector
and glow plug for 1 cyl and see how much air pressure it generates at every
other stroke. Then I could seal the exhaust if I wanted air on both strokes.
I don't really have to seal the intake.allowing it to take
Each cyl displaces about 600 ccs, or in the neighborhood of 36 cu
inches. In 2 cycle mode at 1000 rpm, then generates 36,000 cu in at 0
psi. Half that in 4 cycle mode. 1728 CU in per cu ft. In the example, at
1000 rpm one cyl generates about 20 cfm at 0 psi. You have to find a P/D
table
What size thread fitting will I need to thread into the injector hole or glow
plug hole? I might have to custom tap a 1/4 NPT into an old injector if it's
not standard enough.any ideas?
Luther
~
~I can tell you that without looking. Figure 20:1 compression, you
~should be getting in
What size thread fitting will I need to thread into the injector hole
or glow plug hole? I might have to custom tap a 1/4 NPT into an old
injector if it's not standard enough.any ideas?
Drill out and braze a fitting into an old injector? I'd be
worrying first about the required valves.
required valves? A pressure check valve tapped into the injector hole should
be enough. I'll go get my old inj and do some experimenting.
When it's on the compression stroke, the valves have the cyl closed off. Allow
the air to escape out the injector hole, check it so it can't pull air
dave walton wrote:
I would think one cylinder would give an immense amount of air - especially
if you only need 150psi or so.
For higher pressure you could maybe pipe once cylinder into the other
for a two-stage design, but that's getting complicated and it'd run
unevenly. Probably better
Mike Canfield wrote:
Luther,
Getting a bit complicated there..No need to mess with the valves for
the compressor side. All you would need is a check valve in the line tapped
off from the injector holes on those two cylinders. The engine will do the
rest on every compression stroke.
Luther Gulseth wrote:
I've got a wild idea going here. I'd like to take an old 240/220 engine,
make it a 2cyl to run a gen set, and use the other 2 cyl for shop air.
Can this be done? If I think correctly, pair up 14, 23 and the engine
should remain fairly balanced. Then what I'd do is
Will it shake itself to death running 2 cyl that are 180o offset on the crank?
There will be some compression on the air cyl, and no resistance on the 4th
cyl. I'm thinking 1 4 for power, and 2 or 3 for air. The IP? I'll route
the injector line into a tee at the cigar hose.
Luther
~
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Will it shake itself to death running 2 cyl that are 180o offset on the crank?
There will be some compression on the air cyl, and no resistance on the 4th cyl.
I'm thinking 1 4 for power, and 2 or 3 for air. The IP? I'll route the
injector line into a tee at the
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4cyl diesel engine/air compressor conversion
Oh duh, if I seal off the intake/exhaust manifold, the valves won't make
any difference. It was late when I said that.
~Luther,
~ Getting a bit complicated
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