John Freer wrote:
My 05 straight 6 averages 25 city and 35 highway.
I wonder what the BluHybrid gets, maybe 35 city and hwy?
Mitch.
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My 05 straight 6 averages 25 city and 35 highway.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> OK Don wrote:
>>
>> Hmm - the first link to the hybrid E320 Bluetec says it will get an
>> average
>> of 6.7 liters per 100KM, which I translate to 35.1 MPG (math might be
>> wrong). My '92 300
OK Don wrote:
Hmm - the first link to the hybrid E320 Bluetec says it will get an average
of 6.7 liters per 100KM, which I translate to 35.1 MPG (math might be
wrong). My '92 300D 2.5 T is getting a average of 30 MPG now. Doesn't seem
like much of an improvement if you disregard the massive incre
Hmm - the first link to the hybrid E320 Bluetec says it will get an average
of 6.7 liters per 100KM, which I translate to 35.1 MPG (math might be
wrong). My '92 300D 2.5 T is getting a average of 30 MPG now. Doesn't seem
like much of an improvement if you disregard the massive increase in power
---
I had this memory that I had posted something about MB not going the DE
route due to cost factors, but can't find it. Googled and found these
pages that seem to suggest DE hybrids to be available widely. Have not
seen much about this, but here you go.
http://www.hybridcarnews.org/entry/dies
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:59:43 -0500 Mitch Haley wrote:
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > Curt Raymond wrote:
> >> Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free?
> >
> > When I saw something on PBS that showed what the leftists mean when
> > they say they support 'clean coal power', it a
Mitch Haley wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free?
When I saw something on PBS that showed what the leftists mean when they
say they support 'clean coal power', it appeared to be separation
(fractional distillation?) of the exhaust gases,
Curt Raymond wrote:
I had the same feeling about the "hydrogen economy" BS until I heard a thing on
NPR last week.
> Apparently some company has come up with a small scale system to make
hydrogen from water
> using a solar powered system. They envision it like a battery system...
Yes, until w
Curt Raymond wrote:
Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free?
When I saw something on PBS that showed what the leftists mean when they say
they support 'clean coal power', it appeared to be separation (fractional
distillation?) of the exhaust gases, with the propane sto
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
wrote:
> Sure, so the idea here is to make the fuel at home and basically
> eliminate a bunch of the distribution. For storage the guy they
> interviewed suggested a tank buried in the yard... Thats clearly not
> going to work for everybody bu
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:43 -0800, "Curt Raymond" wrote:
> Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free?
Splitting the C from the O2 takes energy. Where will that come from?
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42 -0800, "Curt Raymond" wrote:
> I had the same feeling about the "hydrogen economy" BS until I heard a
> thing on NPR last week. Apparently some company has come up with a small
> scale system to make hydrogen from water using a solar powered system.
> They envision it li
Me, too.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Cathey"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
In fact, a very well done DE hybrid might even
tempt me to buy one. Bu
going to keep pumping
hydrocarbons out of the ground forever.
Remember the first guy who drilled for oil was considered a laughingstock. Some
ideas that seem crazy today will be the norm in 50 years...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:04:23 -0500
From: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D D
In fact, a very well done DE hybrid might even
tempt me to buy one. But I would NOT if the
stinking dashboard had green leaves growing all
over it instead of proper instruments!
-- Jim
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Diesel engine is more efficient to start with, so the gains are small
when playing with electric hybrids.
I'm thinking of marketing an optimal hybrid vehicle
(diesel-electric) against a traditional gasser.
You know: "It gets 50, not 22, who cares if it uses
diesel?"
Marketing DE against D, yes
'Zackly my thought, too.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Thomas"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
More costly than a gasoline/electric hybrid. I think B
Peter Frederick"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid,
should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving.
Sa
More costly than a gasoline/electric hybrid. I think Benz looked into
them and numbers just didn't work out, mostly because the diesel
engine was more expensive than a gasser.
Then why use a diesel engine, ever? I don't buy that
argument, necessarily. I'm told that an optimally
loaded gasser
many years; actually
since many years before Toyota and Honda started with the
gasoline-elec hybrids.
Wilton
- Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hy
time in ~8 years but as far as I'm
concerned this is the first plan including hydrogen that makes even a glimmer
of sense. Of course big oil will fight it tooth and nail...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:30:38 -0600
From: Peter Frederick
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
To:
24, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid, should
be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving. Same deal on
the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/ hybrid.
Hydrogen fu
Surely the plans are to sequester carbon and let the 02 go free?
-Curt
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:57:22 -0500
From: Mitch Haley
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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ime time in ~8 years but as far as I'm
concerned this is the first plan including hydrogen that makes even a glimmer
of sense. Of course big oil will fight it tooth and nail...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:30:38 -0600
From: Peter Frederick
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybri
Peter Frederick wrote:
"Sequestration" is bu...it too
-- who wants a volcano of CO2 snow when the underground storage blows
out (as it will, surely).
I never thought of that. I knew a fellow who lost a burst disk on a 20lb tank in
the back seat of his car as he drove home from the shop that
I would love to see the milage rating for a diesel-electric hybrid,
should be about 30% greater than a gas/electric for city driving.
Same deal on the highway, though -- worse than the equivalent non/
hybrid.
Hydrogen fuel is a pipe dream -- the only current source is de-
carbonized methan
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:11:52 -0500 "WILTON" wrote:
> There is no free electricity coming out of any alternator/generator.
> Physics always wins.
Yup.
Craig
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e are trying to have a civilization here."
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:44:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
To: Diesel List
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- Original Message -
From: "Curt Raymond"
To: "Diesel List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
> How long have you been on the list? There was talk of this a year or more
> ago. IIRC Luther said they'd
This was the latest snake oil super milage device a few years ago --
supposedly the hydrogen/oxygen mix added to the intake air made the
fuel burn cleaner.
The usual crap to sell junk to people who aren't very well educated.
Peter
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- Original Message -
From: "Curt Raymond"
To: "Diesel List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
How long
e will tell you that the alternator produces more
electricity than the car needs but those are people that don't understand
voltage regulators very well
-Curt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:30:16 -0500
From: tom tomscat
Subject: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
To: mercedes diesel
Messa
So how does it get the energy to extract hydrogen from the water.
Diesel fuel to operate the engine to turn an alternator to get
electricity to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen? You can't get
something for nothing.
It's either something of a catalyst, or it's worthless.
(If it modified
scat"
To: "mercedes diesel"
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: [MBZ] MB 240D Diesel Hydrogen hybrid?
http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1449566980.html
First I heard of this.
No affiliation, etc.
Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 W115
I think they take some electricity off the alternator and make some
small bit of hydrogen by electrolysis then pump it back into the
engine. Don't know if they stick the oxygen back in too.
TANSTAAFL
--R
tom tomscat wrote:
http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1449566980.html
First I hea
http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1449566980.html
First I heard of this.
No affiliation, etc.
Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 W115 300D
and a bunch of BMWs
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