Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Yes, but they seldom need replaced. There is a gasket at the intake where the crossover pipe hooks to it. I seldom replace that one, but if you want no oil leakage, you should replace it or seal it with a thin layer of silicone ( I use permatex blue) Good to know - thanks! PO had a

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Good to know - thanks! PO had a manifold gasket in the box ‘o’ parts that came with the car. I haven’t looked at the EPC, but is there an O ring or some sort of seal on the round (turbo) end of the intake? Dan > On Mar 14, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

So do the OM603s have issues with glow plug removal? Dan Only if you try to do it with the intake manifold on. Book procedure is to take off the manifold and put in a new $10 gasket. Many of us change em with the manifold on. Pretty much the same glow plug as an OM 616 or 617. Bosch

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

You get the risk of head cracking and rod bending. Do you have a spare head stored away? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 14, 2016 9:52:38 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >So do the OM603s have issues with glow plug removal? > >Dan > >Sent

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

stuck. Is that right? >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of M. >>>> Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:11 PM >>>> To: Mercedes Dis

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tal and the glow plugs may be terminally stuck. Is that right? >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of M. >>> Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:11 PM >>> To: Mercede

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

70 Kg, according to the Technical Data Book, 1993 edition I think. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Anybody know the difference in weight between a w124 gas wagon and a w124 > diesel wagon? Need some

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Anybody know the difference in weight between a w124 gas wagon and a w124 diesel wagon? Need some higher springs. On Mar 14, 2016 8:38 AM, "Karl Wittnebel" wrote: > Makes a great car with 6mm elements and a 603 pump and the stock > turbo/intercooler. Super around town. >

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Makes a great car with 6mm elements and a 603 pump and the stock turbo/intercooler. Super around town. On Mar 13, 2016 8:59 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" wrote: > That's like rejecting Cindy Crawford because of her mole. > > Someday I will transplant a turbo OM606 with

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Jim, Yes, carbon is part of the issue. Toward the end of the glow plug body there is a shoulder. This shoulder is supposed to form a seal against the head to prevent carbon build-up between body and head. I've now filled all that space up with anti-seize. The other part is simple galvanic

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Next time they will practically unscrew themselves, now that anti-seize coats then. Probably a three or four hour job. Wasn't your biggest problem carbon build-up? Nothing's going to make that better... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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Thanks. Nine hours! Very glad that none broke, worth taking the time getting it right. Next time they will practically unscrew themselves, now that anti-seize coats then. Probably a three or four hour job. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 13, 2016 11:45:33 PM EDT,

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That's like rejecting Cindy Crawford because of her mole. Someday I will transplant a turbo OM606 with intercooler to a 124 wagon... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 13, 2016 11:41:29 PM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: > >What was Dave M's

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Done. Injectors still out, intake manifold off. I'm going to send the injectors to a guy to be rebuilt with new nozzles, while I wait for some new parts. Crank case ventilation rubber bits were too brittle and broke, a few plastic fuel line clips also broke, so I've got to order some

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Scott sez: Let me see if I have this right: The old 61x iron heads develop many cracks but they still function OK and the glow plugs come out in one piece. The new, improved 60x aluminum heads have fewer cracks but those cracks are fatal and the glow plugs may be terminally stuck. Is that

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Thanks this is helpful to know. Not sure that I might ever own an OM 606. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 1990 300D Wickford RI On Mar 13, 2016 10:35 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > > > ' >> 'Guess I've been lucky; changed glow plugs several times on my two 123's,

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

' 'Guess I've been lucky; changed glow plugs several times on my two 123's, 124 and 126. 'Never had a problem other than tight access to them.. Wilton up to 124 and 126 OM 601, 2, 3 are "normal" and almost never cause problems. The OM606 has extra long GPs that break easily.

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

m> >> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel <marme...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal >> >> (shudders at nightmare scene) >> >> I changed glowplugs on my 220D once. Piece of cake. Took me longer to >> figure out the wiring for the new

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Done. Injectors still out, intake manifold off. I'm going to send the injectors to a guy to be rebuilt with new nozzles, while I wait for some new parts. Crank case ventilation rubber bits were too brittle and broke, a few plastic fuel line clips also broke, so I've got to order some

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

@okiebenz.com> >> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel <marme...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal >> >> (shudders at nightmare scene) >> >> I changed glowplugs on my 220D once. Piece of cake. Took me longer >to >> figure out the wiri

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

PB Blaster. My Kroil shipment has yet to arrive. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 12, 2016 5:52:32 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >Just got my shipment of Kroil. Made me think of what you’re going >through. > >What have you been putting

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Just got my shipment of Kroil. Made me think of what you’re going through. What have you been putting on them to loosen things up? Dan > On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Correction to below, should be #6 vice #5. #3 & #6 are now

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Correction to below, should be #6 vice #5. #3 & #6 are now threaded all the way out, but still sticking in the bore due to carbon. #6 has been the easiest so far. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 12, 2016 4:45:28 PM EST, Max Dillon wrote: >Using a

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

? > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of M. > Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:11 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel <marme...@gmail.com> &

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Using a torque limit of 45 Nm, two more are done. Only #3, #5 remain. #3 is blocked by the aneroid capsule on top of the injection pump. The Hazet swivel socket has allowed me to get that one working back and forth a bit. #5 is blocked by the oil filter housing, same location as an OM603

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:44:05 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Destructive testing results: two Old plugs tested for maximum torque. > One broke at 74 Nm 54.6 ft-lb > next at 81 Nm. 59.7 ft-lb > I've been limiting myself to 30 Nm. 22.1 ft-lb

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Destructive testing results: two Old plugs tested for maximum torque. One broke at 74 Nm, next at 81 Nm. I've been limiting myself to 30 Nm. Time for a tad more torque... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

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Just keep doing what your doing with the back and forth Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb, > > That's what I'm doing, slowly back and forth, trying to get more out than > in. Three of them started moving

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Kaleb, That's what I'm doing, slowly back and forth, trying to get more out than in. Three of them started moving and then tightened up! Letting the remaining four soak while I eat lunch now. The Beru literature says for a stuck plug, apply 12v for 3 minutes to heat it up. I tried that on one

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

You are wasting your time with the oil in the Injector holes. On the stuck one try tightening it a bit then loose, work it back and forth. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Bad report! Bad report! > > #1 plug

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Bad report! Bad report! #1 plug appears to be intact. I decided to measure the ohms and see if the filament was broken, it measured good. I decided to try twisting it a little to see how badly it was broken, and now it refuses to move again. Apparently it broke free a bit, and the big movement

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

lt;mercedes@okiebenz.com> >Cc: "Max Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:47 AM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal > > >> Status report. >> >> #1 has broken. >> >> #2 loose, threads out, carbon

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

ot; <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "Max Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal Status report. #1 has broken. #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out. #3, #4 moving a little bit.

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Yes, really a poor design. #2 is now replaced. Old was same as #5. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 12, 2016 12:11:02 PM EST, "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" wrote: >(shudders at nightmare scene) > >I changed glowplugs on my 220D once. Piece

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

(shudders at nightmare scene) I changed glowplugs on my 220D once. Piece of cake. Took me longer to figure out the wiring for the new pencil-type plugs than it did to R 'em... On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Status report. > > #1 has

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Status report. #1 has broken. #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out. #3, #4 moving a little bit. #5 out and replaced. Old plug star-marked Beru. #6 not attempted yet. #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm. I was moving it slowly back and forth, getting just a

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Next question: installing the new plugs, should I put anti-seize on the threads, or just the body? If I put it on the threads, won't I need to adjust the tightening torque down? Tomorrow is the big day. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 i'd spray the barrel with dry graphite

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Next question: installing the new plugs, should I put anti-seize on the threads, or just the body? If I put it on the threads, won't I need to adjust the tightening torque down? Tomorrow is the big day. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

> > > OK wrote: > > > > > > Break them off, drill them out, and helicoil the hole? > > fmiser wrote: > > > > I just "discovered" time-sert inserts. I really like > > what I read. I have ordered some for work on a GM 6.5L. > > They should work very well for that application. > Kaleb wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > We are going to talk this afternoon. We've talked about this before. He's > told me that if it goes south of removing the head is the course of action. > And I feel very confident in him being able to

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

> > Meade wrote: > > It's time! My 124.131 will be going under the knife in the > > next couple of weeks, I'm going to attempt to remove the > > old plugs and install a new set. > > I'm wondering if it would be wise to attempt removing > > a stubborn plug with the engine running? Perhaps the > >

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

We are going to talk this afternoon. We've talked about this before. He's told me that if it goes south of removing the head is the course of action. And I feel very confident in him being able to handle this because And I feel very confident in him being able to handle this because his wife drive

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Bob, I've read too many posts on PeachParts about dealers and independent mechanics breaking them off, and then not having the correct Klann or MB or Laser special tool kit to extract the remains without removing the head. Please ask your indie what his plan will be for extracting a broken plug.

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All of these things referenced in these posts is precisely why I am renewing mine with my checkbook. Bob R On Mar 3, 2016 2:33 PM, "fmiser via Mercedes" wrote: > > OK wrote: > > > > Break them off, drill them out, and helicoil the hole? > > I just "discovered" time-sert

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I did not, i am going to use the adjacent unused bolt hole and see if it works. It should but would much prefer to use the original location. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb, how did you finally get the

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Kaleb, how did you finally get the broken tap out? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When I needed to fix the belt shock hole on my 606 I researched time sert > v helicoil and went with helicoil for

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

When I needed to fix the belt shock hole on my 606 I researched time sert v helicoil and went with helicoil for some reason, can't remember the details. In the end something went wrong probably due to operator error. I will be getting back on that project tomorrow. I need to get a bunch of cars

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

> OK wrote: > > Break them off, drill them out, and helicoil the hole? I just "discovered" time-sert inserts. I really like what I read. I have ordered some for work on a GM 6.5L. They should work very well for that application. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

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Kit info? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When I did glow plugs in my last 606 there were some plugs that were > threaded all the way out but were hard to pop out the rest of the way. I > fired the

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

I resorted to using compression engine GP removal once. On a OM615 with a carbon plug at the inside end that would not let go of the item. Just spun and spun. I built a wooden cage around the GP (2x4), drove it up a hill and it let go with a big boom. Shot the plug under the car and 10

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

When I did glow plugs in my last 606 there were some plugs that were threaded all the way out but were hard to pop out the rest of the way. I fired the engine up and it had no affect at all. I figured it would pop them out but it did not. There is a puller kit I bought that will pull them right

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

> Meade wrote: > > It's time! My 124.131 will be going under the knife in the > next couple of weeks, I'm going to attempt to remove the > old plugs and install a new set. > I'm wondering if it would be wise to attempt removing > a stubborn plug with the engine running? Perhaps the > increased

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Here's another tool set that won't require welder and engine removal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6sfgIhfT4 - Max Charleston SC Head off, on bench. Would make more sense if they'd made the drill LEFT hand twist, so the plug might come out with just the drill. I don't

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Here's another tool set that won't require welder and engine removal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6sfgIhfT4 - Max Charleston SC This Klann deal is nice, but probably costs more than a replacement car with OM606!

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That looks pretty slick. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Guys, not too helpful for the original question: How to avoid breaking them > off and all the following unpleasantness. > > I like this instruction set

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sounds good otherwise remove the head clay On Mar 3, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > It's time! My 124.131 will be going under the knife in the next couple of > weeks, I'm going to attempt to remove the old plugs and install a new set. > > Anyone have any tips / tricks?

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Here's another tool set that won't require welder and engine removal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6sfgIhfT4 - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

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Guys, not too helpful for the original question: How to avoid breaking them off and all the following unpleasantness. I like this instruction set better. No need to remove engine from car and no need for a welder.

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I reckon that's an "if all goes well" estimate. On the other hand, I'm getting some other stuff done too so it's probably coming out in the wash. Bob R On Mar 3, 2016 11:24 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" wrote: > Bob, > > Does the price increase if he breaks one off and

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Holy cow I guess I should go into the 606 glow plug removal business Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm renewing mine with my checkbook. My Indy is doing it for $600. After > hearing all the horror stories it is

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Bob, Does the price increase if he breaks one off and needs to remove the head? I've heard those horror stories as well. Mechanic in a rush, snaps one or two off, oops, dear customer please open up your checkbook again... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Bob

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

I'm renewing mine with my checkbook. My Indy is doing it for $600. After hearing all the horror stories it is well worth the price. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

Dieselpumpuk has a good video on YouTube about extraction On Mar 3, 2016 9:44 AM, "OK Don via Mercedes" wrote: > Break them off, drill them out, and helicoil the hole? > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >

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Break them off, drill them out, and helicoil the hole? On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > After the impact wrench, C4 or dynamite would be next. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Rich Thomas via

Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

After the impact wrench, C4 or dynamite would be next. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have an impact wrench that should help > > --R > > > On 3/3/16 11:45 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >>

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I have an impact wrench that should help --R On 3/3/16 11:45 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: It's time! My 124.131 will be going under the knife in the next couple of weeks, I'm going to attempt to remove the old plugs and install a new set. Anyone have any tips / tricks? This is what

[MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

It's time! My 124.131 will be going under the knife in the next couple of weeks, I'm going to attempt to remove the old plugs and install a new set. Anyone have any tips / tricks? This is what I am planning so far: (1) Engine will be hot hot hot. Run the engine up to a nice and toasty