Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-29 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I remember that challenge and have used it on others, with attribution. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 4:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 20:30:21 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Craig, this reminds me of how Marshall Booth

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 20:30:21 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Craig, this reminds me of how Marshall Booth would challenge anyone to > demonstrate evidence from a repeatable experiment, when they claimed to > know how to improve on what the MB engineers had wrought. Example: > install

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-28 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Craig, this reminds me of how Marshall Booth would challenge anyone to demonstrate evidence from a repeatable experiment, when they claimed to know how to improve on what the MB engineers had wrought. Example: installing a K&N air filter on a 240D. Marshall's response: time several 0 to 60 runs

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
> > > > On Friday, December 27, 2019, 4:07:15 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel > > > > via Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > > > Sounds like complete and utter BS/propaganda. Provide a peer > > > > reviewed article to that effect please. I don't know if there is a peer-reviewed article which addresses the poi

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-28 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Maybe I can go see him speak, NC 'taint far! Max Dillon Charleston SC Dec 28, 2019 9:56:35 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes : > Goreham has authored two books on climate change,* but has not published in > the peer-reviewed science press.* He makes his money not just from book > sales, but by

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Goreham has authored two books on climate change,* but has not published in the peer-reviewed science press.* He makes his money not just from book sales, but by giving talks on climate change at conferences across the country largely for various trade groups ,

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread clay via Mercedes
The boomers at Bangor sub base just dump the electrons into a bit energy hole. Seems a waste, but so it goes. I wonder how the carriers work it when they are in port clay > On Dec 27, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 16:07:52 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Merc

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread clay via Mercedes
Yeah, not quite in Anchorage. Place is surrounded by large mounds of ice covered earth. These things block the shine of the lights coming and going until the sun rises high enough in the sky. Twilight remains, as the sun comes up behind the mountains and peeks out past much past 1030 and i

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 16:07:52 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > What's a sub or ship reactor put out?  A few megawatts?   Ah, here the > wikis tell us: > > While land-based *reactors* in *nuclear power plants* produce up to > around 1600 megawatts of electrical power, a typical marine pr

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Mitch wrote: > +14F is pretty much the safe minimum for a Leaf battery. 14F = -10C. So -17C is quite a bit colder. About 1F. > How many hours of daylight are you getting in AK this week? Today I saw sunrise 8:08, set 5:13, duration 9:05. Official daylight - with the sun above the horizon?

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Clay wrote: > Seattle is getting around 8 hours > > Anchorage the sun went up after 1014 and will be down and dark > 1530. Most of that time is twilight. yeah, the YA vampire > thing. It does get better, as the light will get above > nightlite bright at almost 15 minutes a day. Twilight is

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Here you go Andrew, watch the whole thing, it is in there somewhere. https://youtu.be/mtHreJbr2WM > On Friday, December 27, 2019, 4:07:15 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds like complete and utter BS/propaganda. Provide a peer reviewed > article to that effect please.

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Andy knows that has no influence on solar lektrick production. Curt Raymond via Mercedes December 27, 2019 at 6:44 PM Are you forgetting maybe that in the far north its dark half the time?Not just "poor solar" dark but "can't see because its perpetually nighttime

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The payback on solar hot water is way better than photovoltaic. Last I read photovoltaic was 25 years, solar hot water is like 5.My 5 year plan includes us replacing the boiler in the house and adding solar hot water. -Curt On Friday, December 27, 2019, 7:32:06 PM EST, Curley McLain via

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Heh, you're almost a full hour behind us. Interesting to be on the extreme edges of the same time zone. -Curt On Friday, December 27, 2019, 6:00:34 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: +14F is pretty much the safe minimum for a Leaf battery. They have emergency heaters but no ba

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Are you forgetting maybe that in the far north its dark half the time?Not just "poor solar" dark but "can't see because its perpetually nighttime" dark. -Curt On Friday, December 27, 2019, 4:07:15 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Sounds like complete and utter BS/propaga

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Almost every house on Oahu has passive solar water heating, or at least they did 1988-1993.   On the other islands, it was hit or miss.  Mostly not.  Those living offgrid (mostly NOT  on Oahu) had solar water heating and some form of generation. Clay Monroe via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
THey just need to buy a mothballed nuke sub from uncle.   Pull it up  to a pier  and run power lines ashore. Floyd Thursby via Mercedes December 27, 2019 at 3:07 PM What's a sub or ship reactor put out?  A few megawatts?   Ah, here the wikis tell us: While land

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Seattle is getting around 8 hours Anchorage the sun went up after 1014 and will be down and dark 1530. Most of that time is twilight. yeah, the YA vampire thing. It does get better, as the light will get above nightlite bright at almost 15 minutes a day. clay monroe > I turned my computer

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
+14F is pretty much the safe minimum for a Leaf battery. They have emergency heaters but no battery cooling, at least they didn't have battery cooling a few years ago. How many hours of daylight are you getting in AK this week? Today I saw sunrise 8:08, set 5:13, duration 9:05. ___

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
There is much discussion of how to power the tiny villages and such up there. Very few places are close enough to make sense putting out much power, as the cost to run wires is huge compared to how much demand for wattage there is. I think Kodiak has almost enough demand (powering three other

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
It does seem silly to me to see the high end homes here plastered with solar panels (48th parallel) and plug in for the Tesla or Leaf parked in the driveway. I did learn that Seattle gets the same amount of insolation as Alaska (as a whole). Seattle gets light year round of the same effective

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
What's a sub or ship reactor put out?  A few megawatts?   Ah, here the wikis tell us: While land-based *reactors* in *nuclear power plants* produce up to around 1600 megawatts of electrical power, a typical marine propulsion *reactor* produces no more than a few hundred megawatts. Space consi

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sounds like complete and utter BS/propaganda. Provide a peer reviewed article to that effect please. On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 4:01 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I recently saw an analysis that solar installations north of the 35th > parallel were a net CO2 loss, w

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I recently saw an analysis that solar installations north of the 35th parallel were a net CO2 loss, when all the CO2 emitted during production and installation were compared to the same power provided by coal or one of the other fossil fuels. In other words, installing solar panels to replace

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I recently saw an analysis that Max Dillon Charleston SC Dec 27, 2019 2:37:33 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes : > The fools in Alaska are getting heavy into wind and solar. Recent story about > how one utility is making a giant investment in TESLA batteries to take over > the short load bumps fro

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-27 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
The fools in Alaska are getting heavy into wind and solar. Recent story about how one utility is making a giant investment in TESLA batteries to take over the short load bumps from their NG plant. CO2 reduction and all. Stupidity of an extreme degree, given that the state does not have a link

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-26 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
What is the lead time for a nuke plant? Presuming plans have been approved, and environmental studies are all done... From ground break to finish certification? 10 years? 20? Best guess? On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 8:38 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, t

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Unfortunately, the US has a number of Nukes that will require retirement or refueling in the near term.  Without a program to build more we will depend on coal/fossil fuel plants to provide power.  Else, the US may have some dark days and cold nights I was hopeful we might see Va start it'

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-21 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Vlad is flipping the bird to the west with his gas emanations. He just flipped the switch on a massive gas pipeline to China a few days ago. Their demand, his supply, will result in increased prices for NG in NATO nations. Even the folks in AK are trying to ship CNG to our Sino buddies, as th

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
So is Europe at the mercy of vlad? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > They have Vlad’s gas now. They’ll be good. > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > >> On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yup

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
They have Vlad’s gas now. They’ll be good. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Dec 20, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup they’re making a big mistake. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Dark nights

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yup they’re making a big mistake. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years. > >> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM >> SWITZERLAND47-y

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years. More like a return to the dark ages. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mai

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Unless the place has done some serious upgrades to power supply in the past 45 years, there is going to be many cold/dark nights. I recall when the plant they just shuttered came online. Big cheers that there would be reliable power so the economy could grow and Helvetia would be safe for many

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Don't bet on it. On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:14 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years. > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM > > SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear

Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Dark nights in Confœderatio Helvetica in 30 years. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes December 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished: Friday, December 20, 2019 Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclea

[MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

2019-12-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished: Friday, December 20, 2019 Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, part of a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the middle of the century. Operator BKW took the Mühleberg