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My question was tongue in cheek, but I'm glad you answered it anyway. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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Larry, You need to check the dates on these messages...this one was from nearly a year ago! In Florida private sales are not regulated, other than you can’t sell to anyone who would check the wrong boxes on a NICS application. Otherwise, it’s a simple arms length sale. I’ve bought and sold a

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My apologies, I seem to have failed to reply to your question. Don't know if you were asking 'tongue in cheek' or serious, but there is no gun show loop hole.  The only thing I think they're talking about it when people run into each other in the parking lot and one has a gun they're willing

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:33:11 -0500 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Thanks, Greg. > > As a matter of fact, I have done these drills with other pistols, my > Walther PPQ and others. Rack, smack and aim/fire. I don’t have any > snap caps for the .22, since I’m not going to be

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I recently got a 1/2" thick steel target, haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I went to the range with my in-line muzzleloader last week. It hadn't been shooting well and I scored a box of "cheap bullets" which are about $0.30 each as opposed to the $1 each sabot bullets I usually use. I fired

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Never seen a black powder shooter at my range, mostly pistols although they will allow up to .308. There is also a place to shoot steels as well, but that’s only for pistols. -D > On Nov 16, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > The range my dad

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The range my dad shoots at has been infected with the "tacti-cool" guys with their black plastic guns. They don't even put up a target gut blam away into the berm. I don't know of any regular range that allows full Auto firing and dad's has banned a couple guys who couldn't understand that bump

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The rabbits are even tougher. -D > On Nov 15, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I shot summadem skeets once. Damn things was tough as could be when I tried > to cook em up. > > --R > Sent from iPhone > >> On Nov 15, 2017, at 8:24 PM,

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I shot summadem skeets once. Damn things was tough as could be when I tried to cook em up. --R Sent from iPhone > On Nov 15, 2017, at 8:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup! When I was in HS, one of my friends knew a pair of brothers who had a >

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Yup! When I was in HS, one of my friends knew a pair of brothers who had a construction company and had 2 houses with a shared driveway. Between the houses was what looked like a 2 car garage, but it was their private trap club. They let us go there whenever we wanted to shoot trap. We

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That's because you do your shooting at a "range". Bubba shoots in his (or someone else's) backyard. He doesn't pay to go somewhere to shoot, just steps out the back door. I don't consider myself "Bubba", but that's how I shoot - step out the back door and shoot at the pile of 12" and larger logs

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will flip your shots to the side. > > Greg > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff > via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:25 AM > To: Mercedes List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Subject: Re: [MBZ]

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While I firmly believe it’s up to every individual’s choice as to whether they want to have guns or not, I will say… I have really been impressed with the camaraderie and willingness to offer assistance and guidance by everyone I’ve shot with or around. The outdoor range I shoot at weekly has

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g the axis of the barrel will flip your shots to the side. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:25 AM To: Mercedes List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Next Pistol Purchase Good

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So here is a thought to our anti-gun colleague: Whether you would want to carry or own or use a gun, going to the range and shooting can be very relaxing in an interesting way. When you are shooting you need to clear your head of extraneous thoughts and focus totally on what you are doing --

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That's very difficult with a green plastic water pistol thugh with practice I will get the hang of it.. On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 2:07 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Try this dry fire drill to improve trigger position and target. > > 1. Clear the weapon, remove ammo from

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Try this dry fire drill to improve trigger position and target. 1. Clear the weapon, remove ammo from dry fire room. Be safe. 2. Put a sticky note on the wall at sight height, with a small X on it. 3. Stand in firing stance, with your proper grip and finger position on trigger, muzzle of gun 4

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Now this I can relate to. For our community Halloween party I was costumed as an Aussie cattle driver, complete with new jeans, western shirt, and sting ray leather boots; and an Aussie leather-brimmed driver's hat. I portrayed as an apprentice who was not yet certified to carry a real pistol

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I would always put the trigger in the middle of my trigger finger pad (midway between finger tip and first joint). What I was taught was that a group to the left of the bulls-eye probably means you're trigger finger is too deep, and the trigger is either at or on the crease at the first joint.

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Good point. I need to do the same with my shotguns, too. I’m not aware of the front sight moving when I pull the trigger, but I’m figuring it must as when I shoot from the bench I’m hitting my aiming points. That’s why I’m thinking it’s a trigger issue. And BTW, I’ve got a package of the

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> On November 15, 2017 at 8:47 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > Good information I’m looking forward to trying out the next time I go to the > range. Why wait for a range trip? Dry fire practice. Maybe even take a video and observe your hand placement from the

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I watched a few of these (and yes, she’s easier to watch than the old guy, but not as amazing as he is) and got some good information. She had some good instruction on finger placement on the trigger as well. I definitely need to review my stance and the way I hold the pistols. Good

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Mitch sez: >‎OK, I'll admit, KJW is more fun to look at >than Miculek. Ya think? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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OK, I'll admit, KJW is more fun to look at than Miculek. Mitch. > On November 14, 2017 at 9:15 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > > ‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwokYOdpag=em > >

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> On November 14, 2017 at 8:41 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > As an aside, I shot 100 rounds of CCI - perfect. 80 rounds of Federal - > consistent failure to load on 2-3 rounds nearly every magazine. It almost sounds like the P22 was made by GSG, like the Sig

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Took the P22 back to the range today. I’m looking for feedback as what I experienced was sort of weird to me - understand that I haven’t shot pistols in some years, so my current experience is pretty limited to my Walther PPQ and a few miscellaneous pistols I’ve shot randomly. I sat the P22

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Not to my knowledge, but understand that many manufacturers make 1911s, so they’re not exclusive to Colt. I spent almost four hours with my shooting coach today. The weather was crappy, as in 75F, overcast and light drizzle on and off. He helped fit me to my Beretta, which needs a raise in

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I finally got too curious about what you were talking about and looked up the Walther P22. Interesting, but I'd take the PPK/22 instead. It would match my WWII PPK. I also noticed some references to Colt 1911's in some of the literature links. Are Walther and Colt now owned by the same holding

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Thunderbolt used to be garbage, the cheapest junk available short of the Russian steel case stuff. I quit using it and it'd take something special before I'd use it again. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes

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Thanks, Scott, I’ll look into that. I just got done cleaning it and was not happy with the amount of lead I got out of the barrel with only 100 rounds being put through it. I suspect that it’s the Remington Thunderbolt ammo I used. I did some research and found that it’s prone to fouling

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Thanks, Scott, I’ll look into that. I just got done cleaning it and was not happy with the amount of lead I got out of the barrel with only 100 rounds being put through it. I suspect that it’s the Remington Thunderbolt ammo I used. I did some research and found that it’s prone to fouling

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; > Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Next Pistol Purchase > > Thanks, Scott. > > I’ve had a couple of people point out the “P22 Bible” that’s listed in the > Walther pistol forum. I saw it probably a week or two ago while researching > this mod

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Sounds like you need to adjust the sights. or make sure the prastic front sight is seated correctly Dan Penoff via Mercedes November 10, 2017 at 12:13 PM Agreed. It has a very, very nice trigger pull. I wish my PPQ had a trigger like that. I had the RSO who

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I was using Remington Thunderbolts, which I’m not finding are not good for this pistol as the bare lead fouls the rifling, according to a number of users. Looks like CCI or Remington Golden Bullets are the best based on a pretty big consensus of users. I got some CCIs at Wally World today,

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My LC9S shoots left and low from where it is aimed.  Out of the box.  I need to twiddle with it and get it sighted in. --FT On 11/10/17 1:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Agreed. It has a very, very nice trigger pull. I wish my PPQ had a trigger like that. I had the RSO who is a

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Agreed. It has a very, very nice trigger pull. I wish my PPQ had a trigger like that. I had the RSO who is a competition shooter try it, too. He had the same results. It shot level for sure, just offset to the left almost exactly 4”. -D > On Nov 10, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Mitch Haley via

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> On November 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > The thing shot to the left of center about 4” consistently. Not sure if > that’s the pistol or the ammo. Yanking the trigger makes a right handed shooter shoot left and usually low. Not saying

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Shot the P22 this morning. heh. A peashooter compared to my PPQ, which I tool along some I would have some contrast. The thing shot to the left of center about 4” consistently. Not sure if that’s the pistol or the ammo. I shot Remington .22 Thunderbolt ammo. I had a couple of “failed to

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> On November 10, 2017 at 12:40 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Dan, > I have had a P22 for several years and it's a sweet little pistol. Mine is > plain black and I paid too much but ammo is cheap. Like all semi's, some > ammo (like subsonic) will not

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Thanks, Scott. I’ve had a couple of people point out the “P22 Bible” that’s listed in the Walther pistol forum. I saw it probably a week or two ago while researching this model. Lots of good information there, and a takedown that’s probably father than I would ever go. No interest in

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rcedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Dan--- via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:40 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: d...@penoff.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Next Pistol Purchase > > I had been loo

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Max wrote: > Sadly in this particular case the AF dropped the ball... Waaay too many explanations, justifications, etc for this to be anything but crisis actors. The AK was being wielded by a barefoot guy who flagged a pickup driver? Too much sounds fishy. This tragedy is a ploy that will

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ovember 07, 2017 12:12 PM To: Mercedes List Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - Next Pistol Purchase I was giving some thought to buying a Beretta 92 FS. Any fellow listers familiar with this pistol, or have some direct experience they might want to share? Th

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I’ve got a box of Remington Thunderbolt I’m going to run through it. I’ve heard it’s good, too. I have also heard good things about CCI minimag as well. I’ve got the day off tomorrow, so I’m planning on a lot of range time in the morning. Probably do a full course of clays then switch over to

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That is the malibu analog Overrated, but common. Dan--- via Mercedes November 8, 2017 at 11:39 AM I'm sure it's no difference than our affinity for Mercedes, but since I've become more aware of the pistol world, it seems like some people have a reverence for

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Make sure she learns NOT to hit the (cheap prastic) front sight when clearing a stovepipe. (So the sight does not gat wiped off into the dirt) There is a long article about how to make a few modifications so it will eat most anything you feed it. Otherwise, the consensus it to use CCI mini

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> On November 9, 2017 at 9:33 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > > $5,200 USD I think he wants $7800 on CL. $5200 at CoPart is $5778 for a dealer or $6168 for an individual bidder once you include the fees. I wonder if his CoPart reserve price is $7800 plus

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$5,200 USD Seller Reserve Not Yet Met That's crazy --FT On 11/8/17 11:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: If Dan buys a finnie, he won't have money for extra pistols... https://www.copart.com/lot/36651357 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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Hi Max,     You and I have different impressions of the FS92/M9 as  I never had any mag failures but I never practiced fast mag changes like you either.    Of course, with your military needs I can see how you would be critical of the mag problems.     My FS did come with 3 quality all metal

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Larry did you purchase that via the "gun show loop hole"? Glad to hear you like it, I'm not a fan. I watched NPR a couple nights ago, some D senator on the most recent mass shooting in TX kept hammering on about the gun show loop hole, he must have mentioned it about 20 times. Completely

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I bought a new FS92 at a gun show and it's a great gun.  It runs thru 9mm ammo of any kind whether sore bought on home reloaded.  I even started using cast bullets without issues. If you find the 92 you want I don't think you'll be disappointed. LarryT 91 300D On 11/07/2017 3:11 PM,

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That’s been on the Indy CL. Wonder what it’s doing on Coparts? Note the “Est. Retail Value”. Uh, yeah, right. Pretty much the same approach the seller had when it was on CL. -D > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > If Dan buys a

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If Dan buys a finnie, he won't have money for extra pistols... https://www.copart.com/lot/36651357 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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> > some people have a reverence for Glocks that is like no other. ...The brand has quite a reputation for reliability. > Glock was early into the 'appliance' pistol market, and is a high-quality product. They are extremely reliable and durable, and an excellent choice for a utilitarian piece.

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Ah yes I missed that one. That is very close. Mine however had the top surface of the scroll work bright polished which set it off very nicely from the background. It was probably a few years older back from the late 70's or early 80's. Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On November 8, 2017 at

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> On November 8, 2017 at 1:12 PM MG via Mercedes wrote: > > > That is the kind but none of them have the fancy scroll work on > the slide. This isn't it? http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714282678 (I missed the fact that the price got up to $385 by bidding and wasn't the

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Suggest anyone interested could attend a gun show nearby and take the opportunity to handle a very wide variety of pistols to see "what fits" your individual hand and finger reach. Once you get a feel for "what might fit" call around for a local gun range that has pistols for rent and try your

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That is the kind but none of them have the fancy scroll work on the slide. Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On November 8, 2017 at 10:05 AM MG via Mercedes wrote: A few years ago I gave my #1 daughter a nice little .380 Llama that I had. She loves it. Looks like a

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> On November 8, 2017 at 12:39 PM Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I'm sure it's no difference than our affinity for Mercedes, but since I've > become more aware of the pistol world, it seems like some people have a > reverence for Glocks that is like no other.

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I'm sure it's no difference than our affinity for Mercedes, but since I've become more aware of the pistol world, it seems like some people have a reverence for Glocks that is like no other. Or is that just me? -D > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:40 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes

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> On November 8, 2017 at 10:05 AM MG via Mercedes wrote: > > > A few years ago I gave my #1 daughter a nice little .380 Llama > that I had. She loves it. Looks like a miniature version of the > 1911 with the grip safety and all. Had some very nice scroll work > on the

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> On November 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I haven't shot one yet, but I also really like the Glock pistols. A > relative familiar with my obsession with the Browning Hi Power recommended > that a Glock 17 or 19 would probably be to my

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I had been looking at the Walther P22 as a good pistol for her to start out with. She got indoctrinated a few months ago with a 9mm S semi auto of some flavor at my brother in law's range, but it was clearly big and difficult for her to handle due to the size, weight and ammo type. I asked her

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A few years ago I gave my #1 daughter a nice little .380 Llama that I had. She loves it. Looks like a miniature version of the 1911 with the grip safety and all. Had some very nice scroll work on the slide. Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: The wife is getting a really nice nickel plated

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I saw one of the 92s in stainless last weekend and was taken in. A beautiful piece of workmanship, I thought. I had never seen one close up. Youngest son is a big HK fan. I'm not sure the premium they get for their hardware is justified, compared to similar models by other manufacturers. He's

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I haven't shot one yet, but I also really like the Glock pistols. A relative familiar with my obsession with the Browning Hi Power recommended that a Glock 17 or 19 would probably be to my liking, but I haven't followed up yet. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:42 AM,

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Have you looked at the HKs?  Nice stuff, but maybe a bit spendy. But it is in keeping with our other addiction. I got a Ruger LC9S, I tried 3 or 4 others, this one seemed most comfortable in my hand and seems to have some nice features.  Out of the box the sights are way off, I have not

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I like the 92 series. The larger grip is comfortable for me as I like something that I can get a grip on. I haven't had a jam but that may just be a matter of time. I have all steel magazines so no problems with plastic breaking. I hate plastic. No matter what you decide to get I would

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Max sez: >‎That looks to be the same pistol that is >standard issue military now. They have switched to Sig P320 now.  At least the Army has.  http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/19/army-picks-sig-sauer-replace-m9-service-pistol.html

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The wife is getting a really nice nickel plated Walther P22 for Christmas. Should be here any day. It will make her happy to shoot, as there’s little recoil or lift, and it’s much smaller than anything else we have so it’s easy to handle. -D > On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Curley McLain via

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#1 daughter did way better with a (US made Karl/Rem) P22 than with the luger load in a cz. She did substantially better with a P226 in 40 smith than with the cz/luger, but not as good as with the p22. Moral of the story is: get what you like that fits well, and does what you expect it to.

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The 1911 is a classic, for good reason. I know nothing about the various makers versions, hopefully someone else will chime in. I only shot that a couple times, and I was not very accurate with it, but getting better with time. Any gun is not much use if you can't hit what you're aiming

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It is. That being said, much of my research has brought up issues such as the ones you mentioned, like the size of the grip. I believe the magazines on the ones sold for private use are more substantial, at least the ones I saw were. I was also looking at Remington 1911s as well. Thoughts on

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That looks to be the same pistol that is standard issue military now. I was not impressed with them, they did not stand up well to hard use (magazines). The military magazines were cheap, had plastic cap on the bottom to hold the spring in and after the mag was dropped on the deck too many

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I was giving some thought to buying a Beretta 92 FS. Any fellow listers familiar with this pistol, or have some direct experience they might want to share? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To