What do you expect? They carry that heavy sidearm all the time, that must
make them itching to use it sometime . . . .
Do you take photos of them parked in front of the fire hydrant and their
activities at the time and post them, or send them to the newspaper/TV
station?
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1
Good thing we have open carry around here
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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen
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Cops do not follow the rules or laws any better than civilians.
They may be trained well, but tend to go for lethal force first chance they
have.
I get a ticket for parking too close to a hydrant at my home. By a few inches
am I too close to the fire plug 15 feet away. Cops regularly disrega
Yes - Randy. You interpret me correctly.
Besides, the Washington (D.C.) Nationals kicked the AZ Diamonbacks'
proverbial butts recently in a four game sweep at Chase Field. GO NATS.
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> WA used to have open
WA used to have open carry, but some whinger near the State Capitol was
made nervous by a gun rack in a pickup truck, and got them to change it.
For The Children, or some such. Things are much safer now, I'm sure real
statistics will back that up. After all, that was the intention!
-- Jim
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On 15/05/2018 3:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
In AZ b/c of liberal gun laws nearly everyone lives FOREVER and no one dies
violently. I'm packing my bags.
I would assume, to move further away from AZ?
RB
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Yes Andrew, the change of climate would do you good. The death by acts of
violence in Arizona are far less than DC, Detroit, or Chicago, just to name
a few areas where it is virtually impossible to defend yourself legally.
Besides that, it is a "rust free zone"... so your Mercedes collection will
l
> On May 15, 2018 at 5:01 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 15 May 2018 14:09:36 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
> > Indiana has had an open carry law for years ...
>
> As has New Mexico.
> Craig
Michigan never had restrictions on open carry until the idea of 'gun free
zones
On Tue, 15 May 2018 14:09:36 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> Hardly.
>
> Indiana has had an open carry law for years ...
As has New Mexico.
Craig
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In AZ b/c of liberal gun laws nearly everyone lives FOREVER and no one dies
violently. I'm packing my bags.
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> > On May 15, 2018 at 2:09 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> On May 15, 2018 at 2:09 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Personally, I like the idea of open carry better, as you can see who is
> carrying. Concealed carry concerns me, mainly because you don’t know who is
> (or isn’t) carrying, and efforts to maintain concealment can cause all sor
Hardly.
Indiana has had an open carry law for years, and I routinely encountered people
who open carried at the store, at work and other places. It’s no different (to
me) than someone wearing a tie, belt buckle or some other tool on their belt.
Not a big deal.
Personally, I like the idea of o
Popular bumper sticker here is "When seconds count, the police are only
minutes away"
The "wild west" wasn't all that wild, compared to the culture in the East
at that time. During much of this countries history, the right of self
defense has prevailed. It's only recently that the culture has dict
> On May 15, 2018 at 1:03 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
> Is is a return to the days of the wild west.
A return to the days that only existed in works of fiction?
Mitch.
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On 15/05/2018 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
The gun friendly state of Arizona now has Constitutional carry. no permit
required, for open carry or concealed carry, and a "Castle Doctrine Law"
that is now extended to the "Person" rather than the "Place"... which in
legal pertinent terms tran
The gun friendly state of Arizona now has Constitutional carry. no permit
required, for open carry or concealed carry, and a "Castle Doctrine Law"
that is now extended to the "Person" rather than the "Place"... which in
legal pertinent terms translates to, "If you are threaten, your right to
self d
You are correct. However, in the CWP qualification, they emphasize the
importance of duty to retreat if you want a solid case of defense. If it’s not
an unlawful entry, stand your ground reverts back to a reasonable belief that
force is necessary to avert death or great bodily harm. That last
Mine does. In fact, they are closed on Mondays for just that - LEO and private
tactical training.
Holster work, steels, tactical shooting drills, etc., they do it all. We have
a lot of competition shooters practice there as well. I like to watch, it’s
cool.
-D
> On May 15, 2018, at 1:51
> Kaleb wrote:
> Cops are some of the worst with safe handling of weapons and
> accuracy hitting targets.
Maybe that's because they "have to", while the rest of the
citizens generally don't carry or shoot unless they have at least
some passion for it.
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>
> Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.
>
There are not many commercial shooting ranges that will allow the type of
training that's really needed, at least not with live ammo.
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> ...Most cops (especially city cops) don't know one shot one kill. They empty
> the
> magazine, then wonder what to do next. ...
>
I was trained to keep shooting until the threat was stopped. There are few
places where one shot will stop a determined attacker. Caliber doesn't seem to
matte
You have to wonder how/why the perp's .38 failed.
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:04 AM
> To: Mercedes
> Cc: Meade Dillon
> Subject: [MBZ]
One of my regular carry weapons is a FNH 5.7. Magazine holds 20 + one in
the pipe, for a total of 21, with 2 spare mags.. for a total of 61 rounds.
The 5.7 is a small very high velocity round, so it's light to carry 60
rounds. Mag change, with practice, is seamless. If 60 won't do the job,
even on
I have started counting shots in westerns. Amazing how many shots can
come from a colt SA six shooter (in which sensible people carried only 5
loaded unless they expected immediate trouble) in a movie.
Most cops (especially city cops) don't know one shot one kill. They
empty the magazine, th
> On May 14, 2018 at 7:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> That’s simply tragic.
>
> In Florida you had better be in fear for your life and not have a means of
> flight or exit before you pull the trigger. You don’t meet those requirements
> and you’ll be charged.
I thought Florid
That’s simply tragic.
In Florida you had better be in fear for your life and not have a means of
flight or exit before you pull the trigger. You don’t meet those requirements
and you’ll be charged.
-D
> On May 14, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
>> On May 14, 2018
> On May 14, 2018 at 5:02 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Not in Florida. If Ted Wafer shoots an intruder inside of his house and
> claims that he was in fear for his life, and had no means of retreat, there
> won’t even be charges filed. Game over. Ted +1, bad guy, 0.
He shot
Cops are some of the worst with safe handling of weapons and accuracy hitting
targets.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 14, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
>> On May 14, 2018 at 12:50 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> "Trained" does not apply to the police of New York
> On May 14, 2018 at 12:50 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
> "Trained" does not apply to the police of New York City.
Curley touched upon it when he said that fewer and fewer LEOs are shooters and
hunters. In places like NYC it's virtually none of them. In places like Eaton
County Michigan it'
On 14/05/2018 3:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On May 14, 2018 at 4:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
wrote:
On 14/05/2018 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Violent crime doesn't usually take place in a crowd, too many witnesses.
Maybe but we started this whole thread with a s
Not in Florida. If Ted Wafer shoots an intruder inside of his house and claims
that he was in fear for his life, and had no means of retreat, there won’t even
be charges filed. Game over. Ted +1, bad guy, 0.
-D
> On May 14, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> You d
> On May 14, 2018 at 4:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> On 14/05/2018 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Violent crime doesn't usually take place in a crowd, too many witnesses.
> Maybe but we started this whole thread with a story about a fellow who
> wanted to rob
On 14/05/2018 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On May 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
wrote:
She survived when she had to and protected her children, but I don't
think I would want her to intervene on a crowded street and I doubt she
would in any event.
Violent crime do
> On May 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> She survived when she had to and protected her children, but I don't
> think I would want her to intervene on a crowded street and I doubt she
> would in any event.
Violent crime doesn't usually take place in a crowd, too m
> On May 14, 2018 at 12:52 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Righto. My guess is the the % of popos wrong is higher than the % of
> armed citizens making a mistake. Popos have the advantage of being
> protected by being clear if they "feel their life is in danger." Thus
> any
On 14/05/2018 3:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On May 14, 2018 at 2:43 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
wrote:
But mostly, do not try to hold up an off duty police officer carrying
their gun.
She got the opportunity and she used it. Fortunately for her, he did not
realize she was a police
> On May 14, 2018 at 2:43 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> But mostly, do not try to hold up an off duty police officer carrying
> their gun.
> She got the opportunity and she used it. Fortunately for her, he did not
> realize she was a police officer or it might have turned out dif
On 14/05/2018 1:51 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
Umm - she is a 20 year veteran police officer . . .
And Military Police, so that may well mean that she has received much
more training than many non-military police officers have.
RB
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Umm - she is a 20 year veteran police officer . . .
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> So where do I send my "Darwin Award" nomination for the armed robber?
> Imagine how unpopular armed robbery would become with more well trained
> armed citizens... Surely, it wo
On 14/05/2018 1:02 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
Or just dont live in Brazil.
But mostly, do not try to hold up an off duty police officer carrying
their gun.
She got the opportunity and she used it. Fortunately for her, he did not
realize she was a police officer or it might have tur
Or just dont live in Brazil.
On Mon, May 14, 2018, 9:56 AM Dan--- via Mercedes
wrote:
> In Florida, if you have a CWP as I do, exposing or showing your firearm
> while carrying is a misdemeanor and the basis for revocation of your CWP.
>
> You never, ever “show”unless you plan on using it. One
In Florida, if you have a CWP as I do, exposing or showing your firearm while
carrying is a misdemeanor and the basis for revocation of your CWP.
You never, ever “show”unless you plan on using it. One more part of the
process to make it a very conscious effort to decide when to use that conceal
Righto. My guess is the the % of popos wrong is higher than the % of
armed citizens making a mistake. Popos have the advantage of being
protected by being clear if they "feel their life is in danger." Thus
anyone they want can be shot. Not so with citizens.
Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On 14/05/2018 11:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On May 14, 2018 at 12:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
wrote:
Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.
If the "good guy" shoots someone who is not really a "bad guy" or shoots
an innocent in the background etc, it will just make
On Mon, 14 May 2018 11:39:52 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
wrote:
> Even the trained and experienced police get it wrong too often.
"Trained" does not apply to the police of New York City.
Craig
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How many of the popos ever hunted, or still hunt?Very few, and the
percentage just keeps getting lower. Good training comes from
experience, and few popos are either well trained or experienced.
it only takes a small percentage if the population carrying to make
crimes more costly than wo
> On May 14, 2018 at 12:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.
>
> If the "good guy" shoots someone who is not really a "bad guy" or shoots
> an innocent in the background etc, it will just make matters worse.
> It has to be difficult
Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.
If the "good guy" shoots someone who is not really a "bad guy" or shoots
an innocent in the background etc, it will just make matters worse.
It has to be difficult to train people adequately. In addition to
training, one needs experience. Even the
So where do I send my "Darwin Award" nomination for the armed robber?
Imagine how unpopular armed robbery would become with more well trained
armed citizens... Surely, it would help the prison overcrowding problem.
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:57 AM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okieben
Idiot forgot golden rule.
Don't mess with mama!
Fred
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:16 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> (thumbs up)
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://www.bizpacreview.com/2
(thumbs up)
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/05/13/armed-man-charges-
> at-mothers-with-kids-until-one-mom-whips-out-her-
> concealed-gun-and-fires-away-634052
>
> I'm guessing this lady won't be invited
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/05/13/armed-man-charges-at-mothers-with-kids-until-one-mom-whips-out-her-concealed-gun-and-fires-away-634052
I'm guessing this lady won't be invited to appear on Oprah or The View.
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Max
Charleston SC
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