Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-30 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Tue, 29 May 2007 17:57:29 -0500, R wrote: Please bear in mind that folks who drive larger vehicles have some difficulty in safely passing you in traffic. I have had a Suburban and now a couple of F150's. I don't want to clip some poor cyclist with my mirror while trying to

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Jim Cathey
(And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Mike Canfield
, May 29, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers (And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Jim Cathey
I've often thought of carrying my Nagant on my motorcycle as well but figured some hotshot rookie cop would want to give me a bunch of shit over it. I figured a short polite conversation with them about it would probably swing them completely to your side, once they'd had a minute or

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Mike Canfield
You do have a very good point there... Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers I've often thought

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Not that this forgives them any (or keep them from cleaning up the gene pool) but on

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Zoltan Finks
You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! I just look at the

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Redghost
I would be quite pleased if the cyclist by me would obey traffic signals. We have a very nice trail system that crosses many an intersection through neighborhoods and commercial areas. Each intersection is posted with a stop sign for the cyclist/trail user but this does not ensure that

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Zoltan Finks
Interesting you mention this. Just yesterday, I must admit, I did not notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike trail. And I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think they had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Allan Streib
Not sure if you're trolling a little bit here, but, are surely you not saying you'd prefer the satisfaction of disregarding a non-enforcable stop sign to being alive? Anyway, public bike paths are government-owned and thus any signage is very likely enforcable. Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: Not sure if you're trolling a little bit here, but, are surely you not saying you'd prefer the satisfaction of disregarding a non-enforcable stop sign to being alive? No kidding! I don't really care if they are enforceable or not... if there isn't a stop sign for the

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Zoltan Finks
Actually don't know what trolling means :) but what I was saying is that were a legal dispute to arise, would a court be able to enforce the miniature stop sign (or the stop sign on the private property of the shopping center). Just wondering. Wasn't saying, guys, that I would like to be at once

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Zoltan Finks
See, this is really amazing to me: It is literally expected that a bicyclist will stop way back from a red light - sometimes a half a mile or more - and wait beside the car that they are next to? And this gets confusing when you consider which car to choose to wait beside. I mean it's a law,

Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers

2007-05-29 Thread Redghost
All the signs the local cyclist disregard are standard size DOT signage and placed in public right of way. If you are on private property like a mall, then you fall under the purview of what ever nazi regulations they choose to enforce. clay On May 29, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Zoltan Finks