Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-19 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Wow! Thanks for the good info. Looks like I'll be keeping the Prius and buying a new $3000 traction battery when and if it conks out. The Prius only has 80+K miles, and that's easy around the county miles mostly at 40-50 mph. Prius traction batteries usually last well over 100K miles, and some

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-17 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Yes the volt is gone. The price of electricity is regulated far more than the price of fuel. So the downside risk of fuel price increases will tend to be greater than the risk of electricity price hikes. On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 7:43 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > You

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
You plan on outliving the Prius and want to buy a *new* Volt? Do it soon. https://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/9-general-discussion/239041-cruze-vs-volt-post3213219.html#post3213219 > On December 17, 2018 at 9:59 AM archer75--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Interesting but think I'll stay with a

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Interesting but think I'll stay with a hybrid for now; not my Prius which is 10 years old; but probably a Volt since a good friend has had one since they came on the market. He has almost never used his gas engine for trips around Tallahassee, which is a good sized city. Besides that,

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-16 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wife doesnt want to tank up any more. She has to fill the suv all the time > and views it as a nuisance. An EV works for that, as long as your common day's driving fits within the car's practical capacity (which I

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-16 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Range isnt a barrier. If a car can go 300 miles it is a lot more than 99% of people need on a daily basis. Average commutes are very short. The batteries are expensive. That will change over time. These supercharge things will have batteries in them and suck power from the grid off peak or

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-16 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Speaking of history, keep in mind that when Bertha Benz took her little day trip, there were no dedicated fuel stations, no dedicated road system with signs, street lights, etc. No trained mechanics or parts stores. No "big oil" to produce and distribute the fuel, oil, grease. All that

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-15 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curley wrote: > But the questions remain: > > Who is going to pay for the "Free" charge? > Who is going to pay for all the cable to the charging stations? > Who is going to pay for all the new generating capacity? > Where will all these new generating plants be built? > (Remember, the more

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
On Dec 15, 2018 10:14 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You forgot to add "I need a "safe place" to go hide in. You're scaring > me" to the voice of the greenie weenie. > > G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 12/15/18 9:09 AM: > >> Wahhh wa wahhh ! ... Utopia is

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
You forgot to add "I need a "safe place" to go hide in.   You're scaring me" to the voice of the greenie weenie. G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 12/15/18 9:09 AM: Wahhh wa wahhh ! ... Utopia is inconvenience squared... when you want to "save the planet" My lifetime study of the human animal

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Wahhh wa wahhh ! ... Utopia is inconvenience squared... when you want to "save the planet" My lifetime study of the human animal has established the dictum that it will always take the path of least resistance and effort... with few exceptions.. I won't be buying stock in electric car

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
But the questions remain: Who is going to pay for the "Free" charge? Who is going to pay for all the cable to the charging stations? Who is going to pay for all the new generating capacity? Where will all these new generating plants be built?   (Remember, the more dense the population, the more

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
A fill up with hydrocarbon fuels takes at most five minutes and you get far more than 100 kilometers of range. This Quack Charge scam would require a driver to vacate the freeway every 60 miles or hour and take a five minute break. Because, of course, the electrons dispenser will be busy,

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 14, 2018 at 7:30 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > "Oh!  The station will refill your Lektrik cah for free.   Lektricity is > free and it is made by a box at the station with a big black cord."    > (sez the purple haired "girl" protester.) During the blowout sales

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
"Oh!  The station will refill your Lektrik cah for free.   Lektricity is free and it is made by a box at the station with a big black cord."    (sez the purple haired "girl" protester.) Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 12/14/18 5:17 PM: What was the cost to "refill" your electric car? RB

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 14, 2018 at 6:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > > What was the cost to "refill" your electric car? If it's a Tesla Supercharger, I believe it's included in the price of your S or X series Tesla. I'm not sure what sort of arrangement you get if you buy a Model 3.

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
What was the cost to "refill" your electric car? RB On 14/12/2018 4:04 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: BTW, when I filled up my White Elephant at a local WaWa and noticed they had 6 or 7 electrical charging stations all with the Tesla logo across them... LarryT

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
They desperately want to compete with the speed of a gas or diesel fill up... Personally, I'm waiting for nuclear powered cars.  ;-) BTW, when I filled up my White Elephant at a local WaWa and noticed they had 6 or 7 electrical charging stations all with the Tesla logo across them...

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:16:32 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Exactly, the article I read stated just that - we can't feed such > chargers anytime soon, plus even keeping the temps under control, the > batteries are damaged by the high inrush of electrons. BUT!! There are also six

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The Lure of 3-minute charging is so great, however, that I wouldn't bet against someone coming up with a safe and effective solution. On Dec 14, 2018 1:17 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" wrote: > Exactly, the article I read stated just that - we can't feed such chargers > anytime soon, plus even

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Exactly, the article I read stated just that - we can't feed such chargers anytime soon, plus even keeping the temps under control, the batteries are damaged by the high inrush of electrons. On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 10:15 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What's the

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I'm not an EE nor do I necessarily agree that this approach will be feasible or even necessary.. On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:15 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What's the grid do when a 450kW load switches on, and then switches off 3 > minutes later? > > And, in

Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
What's the grid do when a 450kW load switches on, and then switches off 3 minutes later? And, in related news... https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1120422_russian-firm-wants-to-build-high-tech-ev-styled-like-a-classic-mustang ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

[MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

2018-12-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
ELECTRIC VEHICLESBMW, Porsche boast 3-minute charging joltPublished: Friday, December 14, 2018 BMW AG and Porsche unveiled a charging station that can jolt electric vehicles with enough power to drive 100 kilometers (62 miles) in less than three minutes, pushing ahead of Tesla Inc. in the race to