As I mentioned in an earlier post, during the admissions process for one of
Mrs. Dan’s cancer surgeries, there was a little stand up placard/sign on the
person’s desk that stated something to the effect of:
“If you do not have health insurance and will be 100% responsible for charges,
we offer
I would agree that when it comes to being in the hospital, the patient with
the squeaky wheel family gets better care. As providers, just knowing we
are being observed helps us to remain vigilant and sharp. This applies to
all members of the care team - RNs etc.
I forgot to mention that if you
Excellent commentary, Karl, Thank you so much for taking the time to put this
together.
To reflect on a couple of things:
Insurers rejecting claims to “run down” the claimant - I had this happen with
orthodontic work I had done as a part of an oral surgery that was medically
necessary. Cigna
I have some thoughts.
19% of the US GDP is spent on health care. It is staggeringly higher than
the next highest country. So a logical question is: where does the money go?
Some good points, Greg, thanks for the insight.
One of my concerns when it comes to socialized medicine is more a matter of the
ability for everyone to have access to free or inexpensive medical care. It may
not be timely, which seems to be a common thread in these systems both in
Canada and
I think if that were my dr. I would fire him.
My further thoughts: it's a localized supply/demand issue. I have a really
good internist and a super cardiologist. I am sure either one could earn
much more in NY or BOS. The internist's wife is also an MD and they each
work 3 days. The cardio is a
>> Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.
> Just as, ultimately, you are responsible for your own protection.
I carry a pistol, because carrying a cop is too heavy.
Rick
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The one take-away I have from every interaction with the current
HMO/Medical facility is that I have been removed further away from the
Doctor-Patient relationship where the Doctor has taken a sacred
Hippocratic Oath that swears said Doctor will "First do no harm" and
second, keep the patient
I agree, to some extent. However, a lot of this depends on the market you’re
in, too.
I say that because if we compare the available caregivers, especially
specialists, between say Flagstaff and Tampa there’s no comparison. Because
Flagstaff does have an excellent range of specialists and
> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
You are not required to tell the truth. That kind of question is from the
list that also contains: "Does this dress make me look fat?" and "Do you
really think she's attractive?" It's a trap, answer truthfully at your
> This is also why I’m all for socialized medicine. It’s far from perfect, but
> as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be centered on the
> patient.
Profits are not the problem. The lack of _competition_ is the problem.
You don't like how you're being treated? Vote with your
How about: "I would be well, except that I am sick."
-- Jim
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I supposedly never had any cardiac issues. Everything came back clean. The
symptoms I recall having at the time were very similar to some of the symptoms
I had when I got the pulmonary embolism real bad. I then began to wonder if I
had a mild one that they missed while instead looking for heart
Exactly my point.
If you’ve got one central “source of truth” who doesn’t have to be the treating
physician necessarily, but the go-to for anyone in the patient’s “universe” for
information, everyone benefits.
We had a situation where a pain management PA overprescribed pain medication
for
On 2022-08-09 21:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of
health issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for
her various health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could
address it all, but to have one
On 2022-08-09 22:36, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
That is the role I see a primary care doctor and sort of overseeing
the big picture from all the separate specialist. Instead mine won’t
hear any of it. All he does is read off previous test results then
order new test results.
Not a
That is the role I see a primary care doctor and sort of overseeing the big
picture from all the separate specialist. Instead mine won’t hear any of it.
All he does is read off previous test results then order new test results.
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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:52 PM, dan penoff.com
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:15:42 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
wrote:
> Thanks, Craig.
>
> The physicians I was looking at in Flagstaff have a practice that’s set
> up using this model. They’re not part of the “wedge”, but the business
> model they use is quite similar.
That is good to hear.
Thanks, Craig.
The physicians I was looking at in Flagstaff have a practice that’s set up
using this model. They’re not part of the “wedge”, but the business model they
use is quite similar.
-D
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:43:23 +
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:43:23 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
wrote:
> Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A
> concierge practice would be perfect for someone like her with multiple
> health issues, as she would actually get time to spend with a
> practitioner who
I will say that I don’t recall being asked this in the recent past. When my
doctor asked it was probably 4-5 years ago, at least.
-D
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:26:31 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>>> On a related note, I
I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of health
issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for her various
health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could address it all, but to
have one that gets the “big picture” I believe is far more
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:26:31 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
wrote:
> > On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went
> > because the triage nurse goes through all of these questions about
> > “feeling centered”
>
> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in
Just for clarification, I have no problem at all with nurse practitioners or
physicians assistants, and I think your points are well taken in that regard.
My gripe with our soon to be former practice was that we were assigned to and
worked with a doctor for our care. When our doctor left we
Interesting. Maybe I should try to find something like that around here.
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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:44 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> HAH!
>
> I got that one a few years back from my internist. I immediately turned it on
> him and asked him if he had any
HAH!
I got that one a few years back from my internist. I immediately turned it on
him and asked him if he had any firearms in his house (I know he does, he
belongs to my sporting clays club.)
He moved on.
Mrs. Dan sees a bunch of different doctors for various things. A concierge
practice
See, this is what’s so crazy…
When I was coming back from Flagstaff back in June, my left ear never opened up
or “popped” when we landed in Tampa. It stayed that way for a good week. I went
to see the internist’s practice ARNP, who looked at my ear, told me to take
some antihistamines for a
> On a related note, I nearly got kicked out the last time I went because the
> triage nurse goes through all of these questions about “feeling centered”
Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.
Concierge medicine is probably the way to go. I have had real good
I read an interesting article a while back that all these skyrocketing costs
over the years are a direct result of Medicare. When that started the medical
industries full time job is extracting as much money out of it as they can
which in turn has spread to everyone, not just those on Medicare.
On 2022-08-09 21:09, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
This is also why I’m all for socialized medicine. It’s far from
perfect, but as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be
centered on the patient.
This is one reason why I oppose socialized medicine. I know of no
country with
Yes every time you go the doctor here they want you to fill out that stupid
form, and also about guns in the house. None of their business.
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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:04 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Both the wife and I have seen an internist that was part
> as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be centered on the
> patient.
As long as the patient isn't the one paying for it, you're right.
Profit isn't the problem. The problem is that some insurance company (or
Medicare, or Medicaid) is paying or it, so the doctors have to dance to
Sounds like it's time for a new doctor...
I waited 3 months for an appointment with an ENT. I've had sinus headaches
every day or two since September. Two weeks ago the ENT guy takes a look in my
ears, up my nose and down my throat (guess he was doing his job) and sent me
off for a CT scan.
Medical coding, known in the business as “HICPIC” codes, is nothing new, but
yes, the insurers are becoming far more regimented about how practitioners
see/bill patients.
I’m seriously considering going to a practitioner that is a “concierge” doctor.
There are a couple in Flagstaff, and it’s a
Both the wife and I have seen an internist that was part of a local medical
practice we’ve gone to for over 25 years. Last year, one of the big local
health care conglomerates (Advent Health) bought them out. Our internist left
the practice to teach. So now we no longer have a primary care
On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 19:33:09 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
wrote:
> Yea, but the doctor would not refill her prescriptions without the well
> visit. So she could have done that but then would not have got her
> refills done.
For a Medicare Wellness Exam, all you are allowed to talk about is
Yea, but the doctor would not refill her prescriptions without the well visit.
So she could have done that but then would not have got her refills done.
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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 6:55 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I think it's all billing related.
> If they schedule
my doctor is wonderful. been going to him 20 years. he really cares about
my health . plus he grew riding in 123 diesels.
On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The
> spouse has
Most likely a result of the insurance payment schemes. Each visit is
identified by a code - which dictates what insurance will pay. Two codes
for one visit wil be identified as fraud by the insurance co., making it
not feasible for the doctor to do that. You need an appointment for the
specific
I think it's all billing related.
If they schedule an annual check-up, and want to get paid for an annual
checkup, then that's what they have to do during that appointment.
Maybe she could have said "I'm sick, can we reschedule my physical for
later and save me from dehydration and illness
Hard to discuss without getting into politics.
I have a very cynical opinion on health care, and I avoid doctors unless I have
acute symptoms.
I don't really blame the doctors, I blame the big health orgs and complex
regulations that have made it virtually impossible for a doctor or small
What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The spouse has
been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday. Has a virus and
very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get an IV and just gave
up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our primary care
, but
talking about it may make him the next President. Scary stuff.
Randy
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Why is it scary to you, Randy? Would you prefer a candidate who would be
comfortable keeping us in Iraq indefinitely and maybe also declaring
Rich Thomas wrote:
Then there was the retarded daughter he had lobotomized because she was
too much of a distraction some think he shouldn't have stopped with
her, or maybe he didn't.
The way the medical establishment dealt with the mentally challenged
in the 1930s and 40s was mind
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Another aspect to it is that old Joe had one of the first long distance
telephone lines in Boston. He could get breaking news from his
politicians about what votes had
There seems to be a pretty good Wiki on Rose Marie Kennedy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy
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Rich Thomas wrote:
Then there was the retarded daughter he had lobotomized because she was
too much of a distraction some think he shouldn't have stopped with
her, or maybe he didn't.
The way the medical establishment dealt
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Tell me more, as a Senator or as President? I always wondered why
Cape Canaveral got renamed Cape
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of a new generation to win the presidency. Born in this century,
etc. He was young, and viewed as a break with the past, a fresh
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I think that JFK was, as he said in his inaugural address, the first
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OK Don wrote:
He sent us to the moon -- can't be all bad.
Tell me more, as a Senator or as President? I always
Gary,
A correction: No Congressional Medal of Honor for Jack Kennedy
From:http://www.historyplace.com/kennedy/warhero.htm
l in Massachusetts. Jack had also received the Purple Heart. Later
June 12, 1944 - The presentation of the Navy and Marine Corps Medal
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It wouldn't be the first time, nor the last ---
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Son Joe Jr. was a pilot on a highly
But the
point was that no Kennedy ever had a real job or
ever had to meet a payroll. Old Joe was a
bootlegger and a criminal.
Not a real job, but I'm sure old Joe had to meet a payroll - his
goons wouldn't work for him if he didn't pay them.
Because ol
Joe was never named public
LarryT wrote:
Thank goodness they didn't decide to push Ted for president. ;-(
He ran against a seated Democrat in 1980. James Earl In the interest
of party unity, I promise not to use the word Chappaquiddick in this
campaign Carter. (gee Jimmy, I think you just said the word you claimed
you
OK Don wrote:
He sent us to the moon -- can't be all bad.
Tell me more, as a Senator or as President? I always wondered why
Cape Canaveral got renamed Cape Kennedy.
Seems like the space race was already well underway by January 20, 1961,
and he died in 1963, long before we reached the moon.
Greetings and Salutations.
At 10:33 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote:
He sent us to the moon -- can't be all bad.
I'm sure that he sent a lot of people to the moon , mostly women.
I'm not sure that it was such a great feat.
A space station would have been a better first step, but as usual
political
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LarryT wrote:
Has T Kennedy *ever* held a real job? course not.
He was an assistant district attorney for a year or two.
Refused all but $1 a year of pay. Wags still claimed he was
overpaid. DA couldn't assign cases to him, he only did what
he wanted to do.
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However, few would deny
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Back to JFK - not really sure what his accomplishments were - or
what he and the old ball and chain did to be seen as a respected
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WH. I guess compared to what others have spent that was
Allan Streib wrote:
I think that JFK was, as he said in his inaugural address, the first
of a new generation to win the presidency. Born in this century,
etc. He was young, and viewed as a break with the past, a fresh
start, etc.
In other words, a white Barak. Nothing of substance, but
He sent us to the moon -- can't be all bad.
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Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have the need, ability, or
interest to unzip it again as the necessary means to carry through would
be severely compromised. But, yes, personal responsibility is the key,
and enforcement when it doesn't work, if it is important to the couple.
.
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Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have
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Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have
The thing that made JFK such a great president was the fact that he got
shot. I bet if that never happened and lived a normal life, he would
have been considered a bad president.
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Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have the need, ability, or
interest to unzip it again as the necessary means to carry through would
be severely compromised. But, yes, personal responsibility is the key
evidence now indicates he wasn't really much different than Bill.
Jack slept with Marilyn Monroe, a cultural icon and quite
the 'hot chick'. Way up there on the respect-o-meter.
What did Bill do?
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