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From: Gary Hurst
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both the states of florida and georgia are charging me 4 figures a
both the states of florida and georgia are charging me 4 figures a month
for child support for a child who lives with me and neither state finds it
odd that my ex wife ought to be paid well into the 5 figures even though
that child doesn't live with her. neither state feels that she should ever
pay
saddest thing i've heard all week
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> > you need a hobby to occupy your mind
>
> My hobby is called okiebenz.
> mao
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i avoid the doctors and their extortionist monopoly, yes, i do, i do
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Richard Hattaway
wrote:
> The chronic poor have a good go at cheap healthcare, as they cannot get
> blood from a turnip, as you mention. Personal experience, in an ER while
> my son was having
Non-payment of child support is taken far more seriously than
non-payment of ordinary debt, and most states that I know of will jail a
person for that and then release them after a variable length of time.
I knew a retired sailor living in Florida that California was trying to
find and jail for
The chronic poor have a good go at cheap healthcare, as they cannot get blood
from a turnip, as you mention. Personal experience, in an ER while my son was
having a toe sewn back on ( too many beers, rough deck on the beach house ),
was a woman there who was sick, and needed help. She was not
> Richard wrote:
> The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a
> poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be
> taken?
I know somebody who is in 'debtors prison' in Battle Creek Michigan as I
type this.
They transported him about 150 miles after having
Richard wrote:
> The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can
> afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor...
>
The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a
poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be
Gary wrote:
> you need a hobby to occupy your mind
My hobby is called okiebenz.
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Gary wrote:
> why is it just fine in healthcare?
Why is it just fine in hospitalization? - that is what you mean.
Caring for one's health is very diverse in food and exercise. Caring
for one's health is not diverse, i.e. nobody's health depends on
processed foods, pharmaceuticals that mimic real
fewer.
Greg
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It doesn't make sense because
yes, it shocks me as medicine is the only business i know where cash
customers pay the most, often by a factor of many. it was one of the first
factors in my alienation from the doctors. if you'd do this job for $42
for aetna, why are you asking me for $150?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Ric
I really don't think it is 'just fine' with health care, but it's accepted
practice all the way to POTUS, so obviously I am in the minority.
The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can
afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor who cannot in
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store
> to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from
> 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent
> that, no?
>
ht
which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store
to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from
37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent
that, no?
why is it just fine in healthcare?
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32
you need a hobby to occupy your mind
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
> clay wrote:
> > I am still confused about ACA.
> >
> > ...Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health
> program?
> >
>
> I don't have insco and I don't qualify for ACA. There are mil
clay wrote:
> I am still confused about ACA.
>
> ...Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program?
>
I don't have insco and I don't qualify for ACA. There are millions of
citizens that ACA does not address. Who? I don't know but I know it
doesn't cover me.
I haven't tr
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> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:36 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
> >
> > I am sti
comply with ACA?
There are considerably more than 40M still uninsured.
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> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for
I am still confused about ACA.
The whole circus was to be able to provide lower cost health care to a larger
contingent of consumers. There were supposed to be something like 47 million
uninsured consumers in need of the new ACA programs. These people were going
to be paying into a big pot of
Wife's hip replacement surgery last year cost us around $1000 out of pocket.
Never saw the hospital bill, but I'm sure it was ridiculous and negotiated down
considerably from the "list" prices.
When my oldest son was going to be hospitalized for a few days some years back,
I saw the "rack rate"
Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance
was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because
of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that
those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the "neg
Gary wrote:
> i find younger people think more like us. they know doctors and schools
> and wars and et al are frauds to exploit them and many are opting out of
> playing this game. but first the dinosaurs must die
If your analysis is correct, I say we are in good company.
Nobody else wants good
i'd move to canada, except i hate winter
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Oh please, quit whining. Move to Canada.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:44 AM, wrote:
>
> > -2
> > mao
> > We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society /
> > deathbed. Some
i find younger people think more like us. they know doctors and schools
and wars and et al are frauds to exploit them and many are opting out of
playing this game. but first the dinosaurs must die
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> > we are alone here in our p
I do not play with big pharma
I like my Doc, so it is worth the fee to retain access. He understands my
choice to only seek the least amount of care
clay
On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> if you quit eating garbage and spent an hour a day in some sort of
> movement, you'd neve
Gary wrote:
> we are alone here in our perspective, gordon. we wear the snowy river hat
> and walk the snowy river walk.
Okay, we can do that - it's good company.
Anyone else? Tell us this is not the american way?
I say it is part of the JFK ask what you can do for your country.
mao
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On 01/04/2014 3:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Oh please, quit whining. Move to Canada.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:44 AM, wrote:
-2
mao
We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society /
deathbed. Some may disagree, and person
Oh please, quit whining. Move to Canada.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:44 AM, wrote:
> -2
> mao
> We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society /
> deathbed. Some may disagree, and personally I don't care, but Ronald Reagan
> brought us back from Jimmy Carter. Now we need someon
-2
mao
We need someone to bring our country back from the broken society / deathbed.
Some may disagree, and personally I don't care, but Ronald Reagan brought us
back from Jimmy Carter. Now we need someone to bring us back from this equally
worthless Barack Obama. I don't know who it will be,
Average annual physicians salaries in U.S. after 21 to 25 years of
education at a cost of thousands of dollars. Wealthy? No, just in the
upper middle class along with lawyers and many small businessmen.
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/physicians-and-surgeons.htm
Gerry
I did not read that to
if you quit eating garbage and spent an hour a day in some sort of
movement, you'd never have a need for a doctor. or you can choose a life
of dependency on big pharma instead
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:48 PM, clay wrote:
> The group is independent of insurance programs, retains privileges at
my mom's friend lives in this place where every time there is a complaint,
they old person is on an ambulance to hollywood memorial hospital for a
week stay on the government dime . i go visit these people and ask them why
they are there. they say things like "i had a little heartburn and now
they
we are alone here in our perspective, gordon. we wear the snowy river hat
and walk the snowy river walk.
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> > more money grab in the last days of a broken society on its deathbed
> >
>
> +1
> Does anyone else see things this way
I did not read that to be a general program, but am aware of private trauma
centers that operate in that manner. No waiting for administrators to shuffle
papers around while you are waiting for the wetbacks and poor to hack loogies
on the floor or barf on your feet. Guaranteed access to swift
The group is independent of insurance programs, retains privileges at
hospitals, and has a set annual fee based on age. Much less expensive to be a
young buck, since you do not bother showing up for more than flu shots, and
your physical. Old farts pay more, since you are more likely to have w
Gary wrote:
> more money grab in the last days of a broken society on its deathbed
>
+1
Does anyone else see things this way?
mao
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Max wrote:
> Another name for it is co-op. You buy a share, enjoy the benefits of
> membership.
>
Sounds interesting.
But not interesting enough to afford membership. I don't like membership stuff.
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Dan wrote:
> As one hospital saw another raising the fee, they just kept piling on.
>
They never expect the individual to pay that, I would guess.
Who can afford that type of bill? Nobody, I suspect.
But... I am not in the well healed upper crust.
I don't know what healthcare means. It sounds li
Gary wrote:
> ...very few
> are like me and gordon who will tell them to stfu about any ambulance and
> leave us alone
Yep.
I guess we understand planned obsolescence.
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Richard Hattaway wrote:
Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO.
Total bill, or total co-pay?
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olitical Statement for the Day (OnT)
>
> My understanding is that a surprisingly large percentage of doctors feel
> the same: when treatment will only delay death, they take the short route
> (which is also much cheaper). Quality of life is usually much higher too.
>
Same with my Mom. She only got "external" care when she requested it, and even
then we had to provide it - the center had nothing to do with it.
Dan
On Mar 31, 2014, at 5:42 PM, OK Don wrote:
> Since my Dad was in assisted living for a year (Alzheimer's), and I managed
> the whole thing, I ca
Since my Dad was in assisted living for a year (Alzheimer's), and I managed
the whole thing, I can call BS on this one. Not even close. I don't know
where these lies come from.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> i get back to the example of every elderly headache in assisted l
more money grab in the last days of a broken society on its deathbed
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> That's here in Florida. Tampa General, a hospital here in Tampa, is one of
> the worst offenders.
>
> The local media has been on their case and the fee has been lowered, bu
Agreed. He shouldn't have left medicine, but for whatever reason, he's
not talking; unless I missed it.
Gerry
On 3/31/2014 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Dimitri would make a great human doctor. He is already a top rated car
doctor with a doctorate in welding from DSU.
On Mon, Mar 31, 201
Here is a link to the article. I have no problem paying for care, but this is
nothing but our profiteering IMHO.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/florida-trauma-centers-charge-outrageous-fees-the-moment-you-come-through/2169148
Dan
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> On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Richard
Dimitri would make a great human doctor. He is already a top rated car
doctor with a doctorate in welding from DSU.
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:05 PM, wrote:
> Having run traumas, in the past, as a surgical resident, I can say that
> there is an extraordinary effort made by many, many individuals
Having run traumas, in the past, as a surgical resident, I can say that there
is an extraordinary effort made by many, many individuals, starting from the
paramedics, to the ER docs, triage nurses, ER nurses, surgical team of
attendings, multiple surgical residents, multiple medical students, ra
Another name for it is co-op. You buy a share, enjoy the benefits of
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From: Mountain Man
Sent: March 30, 2014 9:20:31 PM EDT
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What
: Gary Hurst
Sent: March 30, 2014 8:05:49 PM EDT
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i get back to the example of every elderly headache in assisted living
costs $200k. most people just go into the system when told to. very few
are like me and
Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital
stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not
bad, IMO.
I've never seen so many folks in a trauma room ( curtain/cube ) in my life.
There had to be 10 folks in there, and they were all
That's here in Florida. Tampa General, a hospital here in Tampa, is one of the
worst offenders.
The local media has been on their case and the fee has been lowered, but the
whole idea behind it is ridiculous.
As one hospital saw another raising the fee, they just kept piling on. You
could lite
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>
> From: clay
> Sent: March 30, 2014 5:05:50 PM EDT
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
>
> Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospita
did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just
becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the
meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and
the doctor says "hey, you look ok." and you say "yeah, i sure feel ok. i
think i
What is healthcare?
It sounds like most of the dialog is about insco?
Clay - tell us more about this concierge medical, please. Is there an
association of concierge medical to find local doc in other parts of
the country?
Thanks.
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Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and
insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high.
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t pay for
maintenance items, health insurance should be same...
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From: clay
Sent: March 30, 2014 5:05:50 PM EDT
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Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospital
+1
The only issue that comes up with this model is the inability to often attract
qualified talent in areas like mine (IT security.) I chose to sacrifice pay for
job security.
Dan
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> On Mar 30, 2014, at 5:26 PM, clay wrote:
>
> My experience has been that goobermint slaves
Oklahoma also hires a consulting firm to establish recommended pay scales,
aiming for 20% below market for generic jobs and 10% below for skilled/hard
to fill jobs. I moved into the 10% group when I moved to IT. Some
government employees actually feel that they are working for the public and
are tr
Neither option will be made.
People want to stay above ground as long as possible, no matter the cost. Only
the rational will accept that their current condition is unsustainable, and
welcome the end. Entitlement mentality will lead to more extreme measures to
keep Thanatos at bay, at more lu
My experience has been that goobermint slaves are not being paid excessively to
perform their tasks. Much of the worker bees are making $0.75 on private
worker $1. What gets them to hang around is the inertia made possible by the
probability that they will not lose a job, can make the career s
I have seen it from both ends.
My medic is now part of a private concierge practice. You pays so much and you
have access swiftly and at no added expense for office visits and testing. No
charges against insurance, no bull pucky, straight up service and as much time
as you need to discuss t
Dan don't ever let facts get in the way of a good story. 80% of all facts are
wrong anyway.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:14:21 -0400
From: Dan Penoff
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Message-ID: <1490e27a-b9c2-408d-8509-9
Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and
insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is
already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting
poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that ha
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Health care costs will become affordable only when either (a) individual
consumers make rational cost-benefit decisions about their health care or
(b) health care i
This is a double edge sword. Medico and admin are criminally negligent, which
leads to avoidable errors. No really good way to exact justice for that error.
If the evil doer could be beaten, whipped, flayed, that may assist the
survivors in getting over it. Hospitals hide the known issues, a
t; Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
>
> I'm old enough that I was born at home and the Dr. came on a house call to
> make delivery. There was no medical insurance at all in those days, the
> Doctors were a respected member of the community and charged what he was
Health care costs will become affordable only when either (a) individual
consumers make rational cost-benefit decisions about their health care or
(b) health care is rationed.
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Compensation package is a little better - health care is about half what it was
at the School Board (if I used it.) it's also a cafeteria plan with a
contribution from the County of $210/month towards any benefits, or you get it
on top of your gross if you don't use any of their benefits.
Salar
> As an employee of the County, and formerly of the local school board, I
> can assure you the this is NOT the case in Florida at present. Comparable
> private sector jobs for skilled positions such as mine pay about 10%-20%
> or more, depending on the discipline. I know this for a fact due to ou
As an employee of the County, and formerly of the local school board, I can
assure you the this is NOT the case in Florida at present. Comparable private
sector jobs for skilled positions such as mine pay about 10%-20% or more,
depending on the discipline. I know this for a fact due to our Civ
It certainly is NOT that way in OK.
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
Where is it written that every goobermnt employee has to make more than
the guy doing the equivalent job in the real world?
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NSA: The only branch of government tha
OK Don wrote:
It certainly is NOT that way in OK.
But it sure seems that way throughout Fedgov.
Mitch.
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It certainly is NOT that way in OK.
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Where is it written that every goobermnt employee has to make more than
> the guy doing the equivalent job in the real world?
>
>
>
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NSA: The only branch of government
Fats sez:
the law of the land since ronald reagan, has destroyed this nation
Wow, now they have moved from bashing GW Bush. Now obummercare is
Reagan's fault! That is quite a leap!
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as many a physician has complained to me whilst departing the maserati and
blaming it on the laywers
but the reality is that i just hate the doctors for how they damage health
to promote certain interests. it doesn't, in fact, seem a very good plan
to "get rich quick"
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 6:
yes, but food and activity doesn't get them yachts, so they have to change
the meaning of the word "healthcare" from that to "my buddies and i are
thinking 'bentley' this time out"
ask your doctor if diet and exercise is right for you!
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
> Gar
and what does that mean? i'd hope at least some people benefit from the
medical scam. i mean, could you imagine if it was 100% damaging fraud?
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Craig wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:37:50 -0500 Mountain Man
> wrote:
>
> > Gary wrote:
> > > ...hence the obscene
well, it's like a chicken and egg question, but it all comes down to just
incredible greed at all levels of society
where i came from, a doctor was happy to live in a nice 4 bedroom free
standing house while a laborer owned a 3 bedroom row house. the doctor
drove a new buick and the laborer had
That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every
physician has to be wealthy.
Where is it written that every goobermnt employee has to make more
than the guy doing the equivalent job in the real world?
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Grant wrote:
> I'm old enough that I was born at home...
That makes you maybe 33 years old or so?
We had 3 sons born at home in Colorado.
Read The Law by Frederic Bastiat in 1840 available as pdf online or as
html - it comes up easily. The Law explains why costs go up - simple
case of large cache
Very true. Anyone going into medicine today for the money is a fool. There are
other far easier and faster ways to earn a buck.
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> On Mar 29, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas
> wrote:
>
> They do good work, but there is no way any graduating doc these days could
> join that g
The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due
to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having
to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for
months on end at times, etc,etc.
Your average internist ear
I'm old enough that I was born at home and the Dr. came on a house call to
make delivery. There was no medical insurance at all in those days, the
Doctors were a respected member of the community and charged what he was
worth.
This continued until I was about 25 yrs. old, then we started having
la
They do good work, but there is no way any graduating doc these days
could join that group if they had the debt most have (~$200k is the
average at Gtown). That also mitigates against family practice and such
since they don
t make that much.
-R
On 3/29/14 6:18 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrot
Some drs. are not in it for the money. Doctors Without Borders, for example. I
always support them if modestly.
Y
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Saturday, 29 March 2014, 00:34PM -0400 from dsereta...@yahoo.com:
If you look at the exorbitant cost of medical school, the insane number of
y
Looks like what mao is talking about is karmapharma or pharmakarma.
Where's the car ma? In your previous life son!
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On 3/29/14 6:07 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Craig wrote:
In my case, I needed the cut-up physicians and bigpharma, or I'd be
paralyzed.
Yes, but perhaps we might consider that
Craig wrote:
> In my case, I needed the cut-up physicians and bigpharma, or I'd be
> paralyzed.
Yes, but perhaps we might consider that sometimes pharma/physician
action not unlike yours might be repair of previous life. Please do
not take this observation as conclusive in everyone or you in
part
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:37:50 -0500 Mountain Man
wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> > ...hence the obscenely expensive "healthcare" system we have today
> >
>
> healthcare is a function of food and activity, not systems of cut-up
> physicians and bigpharma.
In my case, I needed the cut-up physicians and big
Gary wrote:
> ...hence the obscenely expensive "healthcare" system we have today
>
healthcare is a function of food and activity, not systems of cut-up
physicians and bigpharma.
mao
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:07:34 -0400 Gary Hurst
wrote:
> the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence
> beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small
> number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive "healthcare" system
> we have today
I think, rat
the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond
elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of
instances, hence the obscenely expensive "healthcare" system we have today
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:
> That's actua
I didn't really want to prompt a "political" thing but
dsereta...@yahoo.com has it about right. In the boy's case, $300k+ to
get through med school with a foregone income of say $150k (probably
more or not likely less), then 3-7 years after that at a foregone salary
of say $30-40k/year or more
If you look at the exorbitant cost of medical school, the insane number of
years of training( 7-12 years after college) and the number of hours per week
working during that training (80-120) for miserable pay, then every doctor
should be entitled to at least a new Mercedes!
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I want my physician to be wealthy and happy. He will do a better job. The
hospital owners and shareholders and such that think they deserve to be
rich for providing the doctor a place to work are just as bad as the big
box store scoundrels we all complain about.
Mike
On Mar 29, 2014 11:43 AM, "A
That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every
physician has to be wealthy.
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> Q: "What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a
> seagull?"
>
> A: "A seagull can
Q: "What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull?"
A: "A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes."
ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week...
--R
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