Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

All this talk of clipping tubes and solid state amps makes me think of the many experiments performed at the music store I worked at a while back. Of course we had to try every piece of gear out to make sure that it worked. Guitars, amps, speakers, whatever. There are companies making very

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back? Mamiya perhaps? Gerry - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup - it's hard to beat instant gratification, but it's also hard to beat the magic of watching the print appear before your eyes, not

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

The last time I looked, the cheapest digital back for either an RB67 or M645 Super was in the $15,000 range. Dan (former Mamiya guy) --- archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back? Mamiya perhaps? Gerry

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity everyone

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On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck, crashes into us, to die by your sidelol Have

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back? If you call the entire body a 'back' (as in back of the lens) then Canon and Nikon both have them! I have lust in my heart for a Canon EOS-1DS Mark II. That will preserve my $10k in glass, as much as can be done anyway. I

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Ah, yes - yours was bigger than mine (only 20x20). I still use the 19 process lens for sharp portraits on the 8x10 Linhof. I have a 16 Ilex portrait f 3.5 (HUGE) lens for the softer ones. I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. The Omega 4x5 enlarger is in the attic, but the

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

But, you're still talking the miniature film format! Will old F series film camera lenses work on the digi Canons? I will wait for reasonably priced full format sensors in Nikon and/or M Leica bodies so I can use all my old glass. If you call the entire body a 'back' (as in back of the lens)

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PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity But, you're still talking the miniature film format! Will old F series film camera lenses work on the digi Canons? I will wait

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Talking about BIG stuff, years ago I used to work in a studio that did enLARGEments. I'm talking billboard sized photographs. (well, almost). The biggest photo I ever developed was 8x32 feet. It was for MB Canada oddly enough and was a photo of the W196(?)'s crossing the line at LeMans 1,2,3 in

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

On 30/12/2007, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don is correct - there is no comparison between even the highest resolution digital camera and 6X6 medium format film. Digital has not even come close to the information density of 35mm ASA 100 film! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com

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: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck, crashes into us

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Yep, glass is everything. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Are 4 x 5 Graflexes still around? I think they go back to the flash powder days. The newspaper used an Omega D2 enlarger, a Linhof view (don't remember the film size), 4 x 5 Speed Graphics, Leicas, and Rollieflexes during the late 1940s when I worked there as a teenager. Luckily the editor

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everything is still around, just not new. graflex as a company is long gone. i have a book of pictures shot in the mid to late 80s that was shot with a speed graphic. that's the latest i've seen it used professionally. On Dec 30, 2007 12:53 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are 4 x 5

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

OK Don wrote: I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. I've got a 225 or two if you want to trade another Mamiya for it. Also have the 40mb, I think it's a ST251. I believe my Dad still has a Winchester disk pack laying around, the platters are almost as big as LPs.

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity...Moz

List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music is good. Some days nothing but Morrissey will do. Bob R. Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

I just looked at a Mamiya C330 on the net I prefer SLR. The TLR is particularly useful for IR film and and 87 (black) filter. The C330 was a much more affordable way to try out 6x6 than anything SLR-ish would have been. I used it at a couple of family weddings, and took some portraits of my

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

The largest print we made was 4X8 feet - we turned one of the enlargers horizontally, projected the 35mm neg onto the RC paper tacked to the cork board wall opposite, and exposed for 30 minutes. Development was hand see-sawing it through trays made from wall paper trays hot glued together to make

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I have a friend who still plays with his 4X5 tele-graflex once in a while --- they are fun cameras. I have my grandfather's 2X3 speed graphic, but haven't cut/loaded any film for it. Now that I think about it, my first serious camera was a 2X3 Crown Graphic. The Linhof was probably a Technica -

Re: [MBZ] The Death of High Fidelity

78s were acoustical until around 1925 IIRC, and then switched over to electrical. The electrical 78 rpm recordings have excellent sound quality, if you don't mind a little surface noise. (the surface noise on 78s from the late 30s is nearly inaudible);) I have tons of wonderful old performances

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of people liked the look of svideo and the softening of the digital artifacts... -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:31:19 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset

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hairbands died out. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:15:00 -0500 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 everyone listens

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Ah, mmm I'm sure there must be a bottle of fixer buried in the basement storage I can go breath. Speaking of billboards, 10 years back I worked on some software for a fellow that specialized in computerized color separation. During the conversion of his software we discovered that all

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity OK Don wrote: I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225. I've got a 225 or two if you want to trade

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Tom Hargrave wrote: You still have a functioning Seagate ST 225 Seagate 251??? Hmm, I haven't tried to boot up the old 286 in a while, like maybe 8 years. Whole system worked fine in 1999, most of the parts were 12-15 years old then. I've got one of those extended slot (pre-pci)

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, not at all large by today's standards! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high

[MBZ] The death of high fidelity

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I have always thought the high fidelity stereo sounded better in the 50's and 60's that it did in later years and the present. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The death of music, more likely. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/1619/the_death_of_high_fidelity/print

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Fidelity = true to source. Not today! Vacuum tube amps always sound much better than transistor amps, as they don't clip (covert too high an amplitude sine wave to a flat topped wave, with extra harmonics). Takes an enormous capacity transistor to not clip, and tubes never do. Other than

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i'm thinking, what would phil spector do about all this? then it occurs to me that he'd just shoot some woman. On Dec 29, 2007 3:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The death of music, more likely. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/1619/the_death_of_high_fidelity/print

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity Fidelity = true to source. Not today! Vacuum tube amps always sound much better than transistor amps, as they don't clip (covert too high an amplitude sine wave to a flat topped wave, with extra harmonics). Takes an enormous

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity Peter, I'm an old vacuum tube guy and I still restore vacuum tube radios and amps today. Some corrections additions: Vacuum tubes will do clip. A vacuum tube is a voltage controlled device while a transistor

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

it's all a whole different game now. it's a game of high volume at a low price. it's about making stuff that can be transferred from place to place quickly and easily. the internet is the new paradigm. the days of silver halide are long gone and images are what works for myspace. we got

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 12/29/07 5:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity Isn't all the wicked high-end audiophile stuff still tube? Like MacIntosh for example? Heck

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@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity Isn't all the wicked high-end audiophile stuff still tube? Like MacIntosh for example? Heck, the vacuum tube radio in my '63 Falcon sounded great! Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

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yes, you can flat-top a tube amp output, but it doesn't produce the bouncing that a transistor amp does when the output voltage hits maximum, I don't believe -- the output just tapers off to the maximum with no internal reflections at higher frequencies. Reduces amplitude of the output, but

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity yes, you can flat-top a tube amp output, but it doesn't produce the bouncing that a transistor amp does when the output voltage hits maximum, I don't believe -- the output just tapers off to the maximum with no internal reflections at higher

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity you have anything to say about those cheap 1 or 2 tube preamps that are popping up all over the place now to give you a warmer sound? to my mind, they work in some limited

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Well, against my better judgement I'll wade into this discussion. Full disclosure: I'm a tube guy...I'm also a high end audio geek. My Cd player is tube, my preamp is tube, and until I moved overseas, my monoblocks were 845 based tubes. The second largest tube still made. They are all

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Ditto my 1954 Billie Holiday, and the original UK release of DSOM by Floyd on Harvest. Nirvana's Unplugged album on vinyl is pretty good, as is Clapton's and Neil Young's. (Neil's an audio geek too) I'm fortunate to have a Sheffield album or two in my stash. A number of OMR releases, too.

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BTW, there is renaissance is high end audio being driven by tube equipment and vinyl. There's probably more tube gear out there now than ever before. Going all the way from the small tube preamp that Hursty mentioned, (yes, it WILL make a sound improvement), all the way up to extreme gear such as

Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

Would that be the Stax earspeakers?? Always wanted to try those! You'd be surprised what you can do with a decent old Thorens or Linn TT. With a TT it's all about being well set up and level! Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official

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a conclusion i've reached recently is that if you want big sound, you need big speakers. i have very accurate little boston acoustics and portable powered (very loud too) bose speakers, but neither of them can really make big sound no matter what they claim. i also find that modern jazz like

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First of all, run away screaming from anything marked BOSE..you are correct for the most part Jabba. You can get big sound from smallish speakers but you won't get that big bottom end sound. Smaller speakers produce a better holographic effect, usually, but lack bass. Tubes are only muddy

[MBZ] The Death of High Fidelity

My dad, a retired physicist and life-long audiophile who built most of his own hi-fi stuff from the 40s to the 70s--including big tube amps that sucked enough juice to heat the whole room--is unconvinced that tube sound is better. He terms enthusiasm for tube amps and their harmonic

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I think my aunt who has been a pro photographer for about 25 years is fixing to quit the business because everyone wants digital now and she refused to do it, because its not as good. Peter Frederick wrote: Fidelity = true to source. Not today! Vacuum tube amps always sound much better

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the usual suspects: coltrane, mingus, monk, miles davis, brubeck, bill evans, roland kirk. On Dec 29, 2007 7:36 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, run away screaming from anything marked BOSE..you are correct for the most part Jabba. You can get big sound from smallish

Re: [MBZ] The Death of High Fidelity

Dan, There's a difference between measurable sonic accuracy and good sound. Solid state guys always use THD, (total harmonic distortion), as the yard stick. I use my ears. These ears are capable of noticing a 1dB difference is channel separation.much to my dismayit means I'm forever

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Yes, I was reading an article on Annie Leibovitz and was wondering if she's gone digital.. I miss my darkroom too! But that digital is just sooo easy! Jeff Zedic Still has a 4x5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

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i kinda find that price expensive. i'm really more a boston, polk, bose price point kinda guy! On Dec 29, 2007 7:36 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, run away screaming from anything marked BOSE..you are correct for the most part Jabba. You can get big sound from

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Check on Audiogon.com and they come up from time to time for Polk Audio kind of money. They'll be a much better investment. You won't want to upgrade with the VR's. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/

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I have not been able to find 78's at thrift stores anymore, they just never seem to turn up. Although I cant say I have been looking hard either but I just dont see them, or really LP's either. Dan Weeks wrote: My dad, a retired physicist and life-long audiophile who built most of his own

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Most things good are not easy. We are in a decline. It stinks. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

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Wow, I'm amazed that we listen to the same stuff. I kinda had you pegged as more of a Marilyn Manson type... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or

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everyone listens to the same kinda stuff -- that's why they are the usual suspects. i can't say i ever liked marilyn manson. he is so contrived, downright fake really. now kid rock, on the other hand, i can go for On Dec 29, 2007 9:09 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I'm amazed

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Reminds me of an article I read several years ago, a guy had analyzed the sonic characteristics of popular music hits that have remained popular for decades, and found a direct correlation to the the amount of dynamic range preserved in the mastering. Let's see how good google is... Hm,

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] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/29/07 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity I think my aunt who has been a pro photographer for about 25 years is fixing to quit the business because everyone wants digital now and she refused to do it, because its not as good

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I still haven't been able to find anything in digital photography that can reproduce the (to me) lovely grain effects of 35mm Tri-X enlarged to 16X20. Not that it's appropriate for every scene, but when you want it, there doesn't seem to be a substitute. Now, when start saying the digital doesn't

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Yup - it's hard to beat instant gratification, but it's also hard to beat the magic of watching the print appear before your eyes, not to mention the smell of fixer! If Anne has gone digital, I suspect it would be with a high end digi back on a 'blad. I miss my darkroom, but not enough to

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Would that be the Stax earspeakers?? Always wanted to try those! Yeah, the cheap ones. Cheapest even? SR-84's. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]