Fair enough, so far their attempts at security could be called amateur at best,
childlike at worst...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:59:53 -0600
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VOLT
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Hydrogen for this test program was supplied
On Jun 20, 2011 10:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Agreed. I think its air conditioning that makes people weak.
Spoken like a true Northerner. :)
I can't imagine what it was like without AC.
Porches, siestas, fans, and sweet iced tea. Long lunch breaks. And airy
hats of
on)
Charleston SC
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Max wrote:
Not me that works in a nuke plant, but nuke
Allan,
Hey, I didn't write that about the electrical distribution system. I agree with
you that in most big city areas hooking up a few hundred or thousand 220v
electric cars would bring about brown outs or the need for rolling blackouts.
Best Wishes,
Roger Hale
Monroe, Ga.
Secret Behind the Chevy VOLT
Curt wrote:
On the news this morning they touted some solar panel company thats come up
with some new manufacturing tech that is supposed to drive the cost way down
which is apparently a game changer.
I remember a 1978 Newsweek article about a guy named Ovshinsky
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That's a new one on me. I was out in Medicine Bow, Wyoming some years ago
getting up close and personal with one of the largest wind
(High dry until the head is back on)
Charleston SC
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I'd heard that for horizontal
Max Dillon wrote:
Problem with solar is the energy density of sunlight is simply too low. I think
you only get about 3 or 4 watts per square meter, when the sun is shining, and
that amount of power is not sufficient to do very much given our current energy
requirements. We're back to
I speak Suthrun and learning Gullah, I think we should build them South
of the Border in SC, we have Savannah River, all them squids up there in
the Navy who know that nukular stuff, and already produce about 2/3 of
our power here from nukes. Let's get Nikki to build a bunch more and
sell
Actually, I read somewhere that the electrical utilities are encouraging EVs
because they build the capacity for the peaks - and have difficulty dealing
with the valleys. The EVs are expected to be charging after the peak use
times -the middle of the day afternoon.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:47
OK Don wrote:
Actually, I read somewhere that the electrical utilities are encouraging EVs
because they build the capacity for the peaks - and have difficulty dealing
with the valleys. The EVs are expected to be charging after the peak use
times -the middle of the day afternoon.
And there's
So maybe we need to convert to the metric system and the standard outlet is
now 220v. I know I did this for my server farm here at work, all servers are
on 220v.
I really don't think we sill see a solution in this current decade.
Here you can see what Calif is demanding for electricity
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Actually, I read somewhere that the electrical utilities are encouraging EVs
because they build the capacity for the peaks
recycle time.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:02:01 -0700
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On the subject of saving the environment, some of you may have seen this
little car/concept. It is now being produced and is scheduled for import, I
think.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/preview-concept/4251491
No plug in, no long down time while batteries recharge [with the proper
G Mann wrote:
On the subject of saving the environment, some of you may have seen this
little car/concept. It is now being produced and is scheduled for import, I
think.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/preview-concept/4251491
I've got to assume that compressed air is just another
Curt Raymond wrote:
As the grid is stressed the
utilities can do what they should have been doing all along
and add additional capacity...
The grid is already stressed.
And the environmental laws have made it _tough_ to add
capacity. As I understand, the growth in the last dozen years
or
Actually, the guys design is pretty ingenious. It's a compound engine that
uses several tricks that are pretty neat to maximize the stored energy of
the compressed air.
The compressed air tanks are recharged either externally, or through a
rather ingenious system that uses fuel [this thing will
roger...@comcast.net writes:
Allan,
Hey, I didn't write that about the electrical distribution system.
Sorry... must have been some funny quoting in someone else's message,
then. A lot of email software doesn't handle quoting properly.
Allan
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
The other thing to go right with this is smart meters which charge you
more during high demand periods.
IF they do an adequate job with (computer/digital) security in the smart
meters, else you'll have someone
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More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply
issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The
Leaf
is having similar issues. I suspect part of it, like was done with the
early hybrids
Excellent points Rich! now, don't you feel better ? ;-)
LarryT
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You miss the whole point of this exercise
Peter - What SIU are you talking about?
Peter
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:
A Guide Dog will help, certainly, but if you are trying to get around
without one, hybrids and electrics can be very scary.
They get lost in the surrounding noise in
Larry wrote:
Mr. Mann I salute you. A voice of reason in a forest of misinformation.
Bravo!
I still contend that drilling and converting oil shale to oil would tap
America's oil reserves. Some estimates show US has more oil reserves
(when oil shale is included) than the rest of the world
What is the projected service life for a set of batteries on the chevy volt?
{How many charge /discharge cycles will they take before degradation or
failure}
What is the cost of a replacement set of batteries? [I'm betting it's a new
form of sticker shock]
When you factor the car chassis life
G Mann wrote:
About 30 years ago I was an engineering assistant on a hydrogen fuel test
program that ran a V8 350 Chevy engine in a dyno test cell at 80% power for
100,000 mile [equiv ] with tear down at end of run. Zero wear, and we wiped
the combustion chambers clean with a facial tissue.
Good question. Thanks... there were start / stop cycles in the test program.
The combustion process produced plenty of heat to prevent damage from water
droplet corrosion or formation. There was no liquid water inside the engine
or the exhaust system. What came out the pipe was high temp steam.
How was the hydrogen produced?
--R
On 6/20/11 11:10 AM, G Mann wrote:
NO carbon anywhere.
Measured pollution for the run... zero.
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What is the projected service life for a set of batteries on the chevy volt?
{How many charge /discharge cycles will they take before degradation or
failure}
What is the cost
Hydrogen for this test program was supplied from large tanks from Air-liquid
who is/was a major hydrogen supplier for the space program [rockets use
hydrogen fuel... lots of it].
The hydrogen was extracted either from water process using electric current
or extracted from free air I believe.
The
G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes:
The argument can be raised that it takes more energy to crack water than the
hydrogen returns, however argument can also be raised that if research was
devoted to the process a better system could/would be found to produce
hydrogen.
Hydrogen is the most
The other factor that's usually ignored in hydrogen discussions is that
you're not combining it with pure oxygen - air contains many other gasses
that do various things at different temperatures
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
G Mann
to carry us into the future, not any one of them.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:10:22 -0500
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Tim C wrote:
Why do I want an electric car? Because:
- I drive a very predictable 20 miles round-trip in a day. That's 1
gallon
G Mann wrote:
H2O covers 70% of the planet, when H2 is
split and burned the result is .. .. H2O... water... steam
comes out the exhaust pipe. NO pollution. No rich Arabs
wanting to kill us selling us oil... hmmm novel thought there.
But there is no such thing as a free lunch. Or perpetual
Walt wrote:
I'd put it in the charging station, and have the stations just report car X
charged for Y hourss using X KW.
I'd do it like Tesla - no ability to meter it. But then JPMorgan cut
funding as he wanted to meter and bill users.
Oh, well - death of a good idea, killed and destroyed.
mao
Max wrote:
Not me that works in a nuke plant, but nuke is the only way to go, in my
opinion.
Eh... I was convinced to that point-of-view 38 years ago.
mao
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All the big wind generators have a motor feature to keep the blades turning
when the wind isn't strong enough to do the job, because the high wind speed
required to get them spinning doesn't happen often enough. Basically you have
to spend some electricity to make some. Long calm spell? Wind
Curt wrote:
On the news this morning they touted some solar panel company thats come up
with some new manufacturing tech that is supposed to drive the cost way down
which is apparently a game changer.
I remember a 1978 Newsweek article about a guy named Ovshinsky that
spoke about amorphous
Curt wrote:
Back when I was a wee tiny bairn my mother drove a Type III VW that had a
propane heater on the floor so we didn't freeze in northern Maine winters.
That is not the american way.
But, I think it serves much better than our traditional limp wristed
needs of today.
We can even learn
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Mr. Mann I
Jun 2011 20:27:16 -0400
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Tim C wrote:
Why
UGH! The Hydrogen economy is a total fallacy, answer 1 question, Where does
the hydrogen come from?
-Curt
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:10:56 -0700
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Curt Raymond wrote:
UGH! The Hydrogen economy is a total fallacy, answer 1 question, Where does the
hydrogen come from?
Just think of it as a cheap battery without toxic waste.
Mitch
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Hydrogen for this test program
I've seen the ones in Oklahoma sitting dead still on the few days we don't
have wind sweeping down the plains. Most times they are spinning at a fair
rate.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:
All the big wind generators have a motor feature to keep the
Hi Roger,
Its awful hard to see the next big thing and so many people get it wrong its
easy to get gunshy. I too remember the Segway, in fact I remember it when it
was called Ginger. I've even met Dean Kayman (I think I spelled that wrong
but I'm too tired to check) once, he used to live in
That's a new one on me. I was out in Medicine Bow, Wyoming some years
ago getting up close and personal with one of the largest wind turbines
ever built, at a test site there. It was a 5MW Hamilton Standard
machine, 250ft rotor diameter with the hub sitting 250ft up. They told
the story that
2011 21:23:23 -0400
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All
.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:33:41 -0500
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the
argument usually made against biodiesel but it seems (to me anyway)
the anti-oilsands crowd is pretty quiet...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:19:09 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Dirty Little Secret Behind
Curt,
This is my point about no distribution system. As you said, we need 220v
outlets (you can't always be home for a charge on 110v) and someone needs to
develop and implement a metering system, etc. etc. I don't know about you, but
I don't want to be plugging a car into a 220v outlet when
roger...@comcast.net writes:
As for no distribution system you got no outlets at your place?
We've got a HUGE distribution system. What we'll need is more 220v
outlets to get better charge times.
I have my doubts whether the current electical infrastructure in many
areas would be up to
Would that wet exhaust have promoted rust inside the engine, or would
it have been no worse than the H2O + CO2 from hydrocarbon fuels?
All exhaust is wet. For every gallon of fuel you pour
in your existing vehicle about a gallon of water (vapor)
comes out.
-- Jim
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Sorry, no. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only its form
changed, thats your first law of thermodynamics that is.
1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even.
3. You can't quit.
Craig
More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply
issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The Leaf
is having similar issues. I suspect part of it, like was done with the
early hybrids, is limiting supply so as to work bugs out with committed
early
.
Dan
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:34 AM
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More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply
of the whole electric vehicle thing.
Dan
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More than that, the anemic sales
Pretty much the greenest thing you can do is buy a non-hybrid used car and keep
it in good running order. Anything made in the past couple of decades is
pretty clean-running, and by buying used you are not creating demand for more
raw materials for manufacturing. Of course that doesn't help
Is this going to end up like GM's EV1 electric cars?
Rory
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Pretty much the greenest thing you can do is buy a non-hybrid used car and
keep it in good running order. Anything made in the past couple of decades
is
AM
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More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply
issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The
Leaf
is having similar issues. I suspect part of it, like was done
: Tim C bb...@crone.us
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More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply
issues, since dealers don't have them in stock
19, 2011 8:34 AM
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More than that, the anemic sales of the Volt are clearly due to
supply
issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The
Leaf
is having similar issues. I suspect part
When you see the articles written about comparing hybrids to straight gas
burners, they almost always come out in favor of the non-hybrid car.
There are so many efficient gas burners out there, that if you use good driving
habits and keep them in good order, they will be less expensive in the
You miss the whole point of this exercise. It's not about what is
rational, it's about what feeels good! And electric cars feeel
good! And if you have one you can drive around feeling smug that you
are clearly smarter and better than that other guy who does not have
one, and that
I don't dispute all the evidence that electric cars aren't as green as
they say they are but one nice thing about them is they produce at least
somewhat less in the way of emissions. Yes, this is offset by the
manufacturing drawbacks, etc. But I am talking about the air that I actually
breathe on
Actually I caught my own flub here: Going up hills, hybrids are running on
their good old gas engines.
The mpg gauge in our Prius dives down into what appears to be the teens as
we climb the hills.
Brian
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
LWB250 wrote:
Points well taken, Tim.
The one thing that nags at me regarding the electric vehicles
is how much gas/coal/oil has to be burned to produce the
electricity to charge or run them?
I never see this in the information, and I think it's a very
relevant aspect of the whole
Allan Streib wrote:
Pretty much the greenest thing you can do is buy a non-hybrid
used car and keep it in good running order. Anything made in
the past couple of decades is pretty clean-running, and by
buying used you are not creating demand for more raw materials
for manufacturing. Of
They scare the shit out of me because I can't hear them coming and BANG!
there they are (and one hopes there is no bang). Goes also for walking
in parking lots. One came up me last week somewhere, it got me thinking
that for low-speed tooling around they need a speaker on the front with
some
True. I can actually recognize the Toyota hybrid sound. Seems the same in
all their hybrid models. Kinda space age-ish.
But yeah. They really do need to have some warning. Reminds me of a
harrowing experience one day when I was passed by an RV on a road with no
shoulder. Was the kind of RV that
The associations of blind people have been demanding this for as long
as there have been hybrids. They are so quiet that blind people
often step off curbs in front of them, not being able to SEE the car
coming because it makes no noise.
Peter
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Since hearing is all I've got, electrics and hybrids are a problem. The
guide dogs did well with the Prius used in training. It was sure quiet, and
even when I didn't hear it, the dog provided plenty of buffer zone for our
safety.
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
A Guide Dog will help, certainly, but if you are trying to get around
without one, hybrids and electrics can be very scary.
They get lost in the surrounding noise in urban settings.
Sorta like the hallway in the Student Center at SIU -- had perforated
ceiling tile ventilation and was
Heck with hybrids, they need to come out with more small 4
cylinder diesel powered cars.
On 6/19/2011 12:27 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
When you see the articles written about comparing hybrids to straight gas
burners, they almost always come out in favor of the non-hybrid car.
There are so many
Brian wrote:
I can tell you that I really like being passed by a hybrid - or especially
an all electric - when I am riding my bicycle.
Trouble maker.
I would love to ride my 1938 Schwinn more, but I live on the outskirts.
mao
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Geez, I go outside for a few hours and you guys go crazy! :)
Electric motors put power to the wheels more efficiently. People who
have electric cars use less energy than people who use gas cars of
comparable size and weight. (Electric cars are also dragging around a
literal ton of extra weight
Tim C wrote:
Why do I want an electric car? Because:
- I drive a very predictable 20 miles round-trip in a day. That's 1
gallon of diesel, give or take, so call it $3.75 +/- $0.75. Using a
relatively-conservative hobbyist conversion 0.5 KWh/mile, I would
spend $1.00 (I pay $0.10/KWh) for
Wonder what the mileage on one of those little single-cyl gas deathtrap cars
was...
On Jun 19, 2011 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Tim C wrote:
Why do I want an electric car? Because:
- I drive a very predictable 20 miles round-trip in a day. That's 1
gallon of diesel, give or
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Tim C wrote:
Why do I want an electric car? Because:
- I drive a very predictable 20 miles round-trip in a day. That's 1
gallon of diesel, give or take, so call it $3.75 +/- $0.75. Using a
relatively-conservative
Walt Zarnoch wrote:
Wonder what the mileage on one of those little single-cyl gas deathtrap cars
was...
A Messerschmitt KR200 (two stroke) was said to get 87 imperial mpg, or 70 US
mpg, probably about what you would get with a 1970's subcompact and a diesel
lawn mower engine, or a 200cc
Remember the all-electric RAV-4? Leases terminated and vehicles crushed. And
people who were lucky to get them LOVED them. A few even fought and got to
keep them, albeit without ANY dealer parts backup.
Now we have a gas engine tacked on, and it's called a Prius. I've also heard
it's damn
It looks like a Chevy Dolt can, without using climate control, do about 35 miles
on 13kWh, so your .5kWh per mile was actually conservative.
You mentioned not paying 10 cents, what do you pay?
My marginal cost of electricity is about 22 cents in the summer and 14 cents in
the winter.
It'd
I wonder if they'll start factoring projected road tax into the purchase
price...
Walt
On Jun 19, 2011 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
It looks like a Chevy Dolt can, without using climate control, do about 35
miles
on 13kWh, so your .5kWh per mile was actually conservative.
You
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
It looks like a Chevy Dolt can, without using climate control, do about 35
miles on 13kWh, so your .5kWh per mile was actually conservative.
Hobbyist numbers, converting by removing gas engines and adding
batteries does not
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes:
It'd still take longer than the batteries will live to pay back the
cost of trading in an SDL on a Dolt with fuel savings. And some of
those fuel savings will go away when they figure out a way to make
electric drivers pay road tax.
It won't be long if
While we can talk about the rational and economic factors of electric vs
dino juice vs hybrid all day long, most car choices and purchases are
emotional, not rational. It doesn' treally matter whether you think your
saving money or the environment - you're going to buy the latest technology,
or
I'd put it in the charging station, and have the stations just report car X
charged for Y hourss using X KW.
That way it wouldn't matter who's charger you used, it'd always bill you the
tax. It would be up to the charge station operator to bill for usage (in the
event that parking garages start
Allan Streib wrote:
It won't be long if EVs catch on in any significant number. You'll be
required to have a special metered outlet installed in the garage (at
your expense, probably several thousand dollars as the electricians will
know a good thing when they see it) and you'll pay road tax
They gotta make up the gas tax somehow. So you pay a premium to fel
good then another tax to make up for the gas you aren't burning and the
pollution you are spewing (from the tailpipe anyway) and pretty soon
your smugness might be a bit less forthright. At least until the rest
of the
Not me that works in a nuke plant, but nuke is the only way to go, in my
opinion.
Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
.092 last month. Nuclear country, thanks Max!
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Etre d'accord!
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Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
On 6/19/2011 6:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Heck with hybrids, they need to come out with more small 4 cylinder
diesel powered cars.
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electric cars use less energy than people who use gas cars of
comparable size and weight.
Charging efficiency is rarely talked about.
A diesel-electric micro-hybrid, where the diesel
was underpowered except for the average fwy requirement,
and only enough battery to get you up to speed a
time
The Rest of the Story
Patrick Michaels is a senior fellow in Environmental Studies at the Cato
Institute and the editor of the forthcoming Climate Coup: Global Warming's
Invasion of our Government and our Lives, as well as the author of several
other books on global warming.
His Forbes
Very interesting, but I'd like to see a fact check to get a
more unbiased version of the story.
Jaime
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:36 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
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Patrick Michaels is a senior fellow in Environmental Studies at the Cato
Institute and the editor of
Let us know your results.Most of it has been widely reported already.
Very interesting, but I'd like to see a fact check to get a
more unbiased version of the story.
Jaime
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:36 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
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Patrick Michaels is a
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