All this talk of clipping tubes and solid state amps makes me think of the
many experiments performed at the music store I worked at a while back. Of
course we had to try every piece of gear out to make sure that it worked.
Guitars, amps, speakers, whatever. There are companies making very
Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back? Mamiya
perhaps?
Gerry
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Yup - it's hard to beat instant gratification, but it's also hard to
beat the magic of watching the print appear before your eyes, not
The last time I looked, the cheapest digital back for
either an RB67 or M645 Super was in the $15,000
range.
Dan (former Mamiya guy)
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Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take
a digital back? Mamiya
perhaps?
Gerry
Music is good.
Some days nothing but Morrissey will do.
Bob R.
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everyone
On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Music is good.
Some days nothing but Morrissey will do.
Bob R.
Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how
I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck, crashes into us, to die by your
sidelol
Have
Will any film camera cheaper than a Hasselblad take a digital back?
If you call the entire body a 'back' (as in back of the lens)
then Canon and Nikon both have them! I have lust in my heart
for a Canon EOS-1DS Mark II. That will preserve my $10k in
glass, as much as can be done anyway.
I
Ah, yes - yours was bigger than mine (only 20x20). I still use the 19
process lens for sharp portraits on the 8x10 Linhof. I have a 16 Ilex
portrait f 3.5 (HUGE) lens for the softer ones.
I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225.
The Omega 4x5 enlarger is in the attic, but the
But, you're still talking the miniature film format! Will old F
series film camera lenses work on the digi Canons?
I will wait for reasonably priced full format sensors in Nikon
and/or M Leica bodies so I can use all my old glass.
If you call the entire body a 'back' (as in back of the lens)
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But, you're still talking the miniature film format! Will old F
series film camera lenses work on the digi Canons?
I will wait
Talking about BIG stuff, years ago I used to work in a studio that did
enLARGEments. I'm talking billboard sized photographs. (well, almost).
The biggest photo I ever developed was 8x32 feet. It was for MB Canada oddly
enough and was a photo of the W196(?)'s crossing the line at LeMans 1,2,3 in
On 30/12/2007, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don is correct - there is no comparison between even the highest
resolution
digital camera and 6X6 medium format film. Digital has not even come close
to the information density of 35mm ASA 100 film!
Thanks,
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On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Music is good.
Some days nothing but Morrissey will do.
Bob R.
Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how
I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck, crashes into us
Yep, glass is everything.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Are 4 x 5 Graflexes still around? I think they go back to the flash powder
days. The newspaper used an Omega D2 enlarger, a Linhof view (don't
remember the film size), 4 x 5 Speed Graphics, Leicas, and Rollieflexes
during the late 1940s when I worked there as a teenager.
Luckily the editor
everything is still around, just not new. graflex as a company is long
gone.
i have a book of pictures shot in the mid to late 80s that was shot with a
speed graphic. that's the latest i've seen it used professionally.
On Dec 30, 2007 12:53 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are 4 x 5
OK Don wrote:
I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225.
I've got a 225 or two if you want to trade another Mamiya for it.
Also have the 40mb, I think it's a ST251.
I believe my Dad still has a Winchester disk pack laying around,
the platters are almost as big as LPs.
List
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On 29/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Music is good.
Some days nothing but Morrissey will do.
Bob R.
Good old cheerful Morrissey! (I wear black on the outside cause black is how
I feel on the inside) If a ten ton truck
I just looked at a Mamiya C330 on the net I prefer SLR.
The TLR is particularly useful for IR film and and 87 (black)
filter. The C330 was a much more affordable way to try out
6x6 than anything SLR-ish would have been. I used it at a
couple of family weddings, and took some portraits of my
The largest print we made was 4X8 feet - we turned one of the
enlargers horizontally, projected the 35mm neg onto the RC paper
tacked to the cork board wall opposite, and exposed for 30 minutes.
Development was hand see-sawing it through trays made from wall paper
trays hot glued together to make
I have a friend who still plays with his 4X5 tele-graflex once in a
while --- they are fun cameras. I have my grandfather's 2X3 speed
graphic, but haven't cut/loaded any film for it. Now that I think
about it, my first serious camera was a 2X3 Crown Graphic.
The Linhof was probably a Technica -
78s were acoustical until around 1925 IIRC, and then switched over to
electrical. The electrical 78 rpm recordings have excellent sound quality,
if you don't mind a little surface noise. (the surface noise on 78s from
the late 30s is nearly inaudible);) I have tons of wonderful old
performances
of people liked the look of svideo and the
softening of the digital artifacts...
-Curt
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hairbands died out.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:15:00 -0500
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everyone listens
Ah, mmm I'm sure there must be a bottle of fixer buried in the
basement storage I can go breath.
Speaking of billboards, 10 years back I worked on some software for a
fellow that specialized in computerized color
separation. During the conversion of his software we discovered that
all
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OK Don wrote:
I traded a C220 with lens for my first hard drive - an ST225.
I've got a 225 or two if you want to trade
Tom Hargrave wrote:
You still have a functioning Seagate ST 225 Seagate 251???
Hmm, I haven't tried to boot up the old 286 in a while, like maybe
8 years. Whole system worked fine in 1999, most of the parts were
12-15 years old then.
I've got one of those extended slot (pre-pci)
, not at all
large by today's standards!
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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The death of music, more likely.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/1619/the_death_of_high_fidelity/print
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The death of music, more likely.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/1619/the_death_of_high_fidelity/print
Fidelity = true to source. Not today!
Vacuum tube amps always sound much better than transistor amps, as they
don't clip (covert too high an amplitude sine wave to a flat topped
wave, with extra harmonics). Takes an enormous capacity transistor to
not clip, and tubes never do. Other than
i'm thinking, what would phil spector do about all this? then it occurs to
me that he'd just shoot some woman.
On Dec 29, 2007 3:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The death of music, more likely.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/1619/the_death_of_high_fidelity/print
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Fidelity = true to source. Not today!
Vacuum tube amps always sound much better than transistor amps, as they
don't clip (covert too high an amplitude sine wave to a flat topped
wave, with extra harmonics). Takes an enormous
PM
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Peter,
I'm an old vacuum tube guy and I still restore vacuum tube radios and
amps today.
Some corrections additions:
Vacuum tubes will do clip. A vacuum tube is a voltage controlled
device while a transistor
it's all a whole different game now. it's a game of high volume at a low
price. it's about making stuff that can be transferred from place to place
quickly and easily. the internet is the new paradigm. the days of silver
halide are long gone and images are what works for myspace. we got
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Isn't all the wicked high-end audiophile stuff still tube? Like
MacIntosh
for example?
Heck
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Isn't all the wicked high-end audiophile stuff still tube? Like
MacIntosh
for example?
Heck, the vacuum tube radio in my '63 Falcon sounded great!
Bob R.
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yes, you can flat-top a tube amp output, but it doesn't produce the
bouncing that a transistor amp does when the output voltage hits
maximum, I don't believe -- the output just tapers off to the maximum
with no internal reflections at higher frequencies. Reduces
amplitude of the output, but
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity
yes, you can flat-top a tube amp output, but it doesn't produce the
bouncing that a transistor amp does when the output voltage hits
maximum, I don't believe -- the output just tapers off to the maximum
with no internal reflections at higher
Of Gary Hurst
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you have anything to say about those cheap 1 or 2 tube preamps that are
popping up all over the place now to give you a warmer sound? to my mind,
they work in some limited
Well, against my better judgement I'll wade into this discussion.
Full disclosure: I'm a tube guy...I'm also a high end audio geek.
My Cd player is tube, my preamp is tube, and until I moved overseas, my
monoblocks were 845 based tubes. The second largest tube still made. They
are all
Ditto my 1954 Billie Holiday, and the original UK release of DSOM by
Floyd
on Harvest. Nirvana's Unplugged album on vinyl is pretty good, as is
Clapton's and Neil Young's. (Neil's an audio geek too)
I'm fortunate to have a Sheffield album or two in my stash.
A number of OMR releases, too.
BTW, there is renaissance is high end audio being driven by tube equipment
and vinyl. There's probably more tube gear out there now than ever before.
Going all the way from the small tube preamp that Hursty mentioned, (yes, it
WILL make a sound improvement), all the way up to extreme gear such as
Would that be the Stax earspeakers?? Always wanted to try those! You'd be
surprised what you can do with a decent old Thorens or Linn TT. With a TT
it's all about being well set up and level!
Jeff Zedic
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a conclusion i've reached recently is that if you want big sound, you need
big speakers. i have very accurate little boston acoustics and portable
powered (very loud too) bose speakers, but neither of them can really make
big sound no matter what they claim.
i also find that modern jazz like
First of all, run away screaming from anything marked BOSE..you are correct
for the most part Jabba.
You can get big sound from smallish speakers but you won't get that big
bottom end sound. Smaller speakers produce a better holographic effect,
usually, but lack bass.
Tubes are only muddy
My dad, a retired physicist and life-long audiophile who built most
of his own hi-fi stuff from the 40s to the 70s--including big tube
amps that sucked enough juice to heat the whole room--is unconvinced
that tube sound is better. He terms enthusiasm for tube amps and
their harmonic
I think my aunt who has been a pro photographer for about 25 years is
fixing to quit the business because everyone wants digital now and she
refused to do it, because its not as good.
Peter Frederick wrote:
Fidelity = true to source. Not today!
Vacuum tube amps always sound much better
the usual suspects: coltrane, mingus, monk, miles davis, brubeck, bill
evans, roland kirk.
On Dec 29, 2007 7:36 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First of all, run away screaming from anything marked BOSE..you are
correct
for the most part Jabba.
You can get big sound from smallish
Dan,
There's a difference between measurable sonic accuracy and good sound. Solid
state guys always use THD, (total harmonic distortion), as the yard stick. I
use my ears. These ears are capable of noticing a 1dB difference is channel
separation.much to my dismayit means I'm forever
Yes, I was reading an article on Annie Leibovitz and was wondering if she's
gone digital..
I miss my darkroom too!
But that digital is just sooo easy!
Jeff Zedic
Still has a 4x5
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i kinda find that price expensive. i'm really more a boston, polk, bose
price point kinda guy!
On Dec 29, 2007 7:36 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First of all, run away screaming from anything marked BOSE..you are
correct
for the most part Jabba.
You can get big sound from
Check on Audiogon.com and they come up from time to time for Polk Audio kind
of money. They'll be a much better investment.
You won't want to upgrade with the VR's.
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I have not been able to find 78's at thrift stores anymore, they just
never seem to turn up. Although I cant say I have been looking hard
either but I just dont see them, or really LP's either.
Dan Weeks wrote:
My dad, a retired physicist and life-long audiophile who built most
of his own
Most things good are not easy. We are in a decline. It stinks.
Bob R.
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Wow, I'm amazed that we listen to the same stuff. I kinda had you pegged as
more of a Marilyn Manson type...
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everyone listens to the same kinda stuff -- that's why they are the usual
suspects.
i can't say i ever liked marilyn manson. he is so contrived, downright fake
really.
now kid rock, on the other hand, i can go for
On Dec 29, 2007 9:09 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow, I'm amazed
Reminds me of an article I read several years ago, a guy had analyzed
the sonic characteristics of popular music hits that have remained
popular for decades, and found a direct correlation to the the amount
of dynamic range preserved in the mastering.
Let's see how good google is... Hm,
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I think my aunt who has been a pro photographer for about 25 years is
fixing to quit the business because everyone wants digital now and she
refused to do it, because its not as good
I still haven't been able to find anything in digital photography that
can reproduce the (to me) lovely grain effects of 35mm Tri-X enlarged
to 16X20. Not that it's appropriate for every scene, but when you want
it, there doesn't seem to be a substitute.
Now, when start saying the digital doesn't
Yup - it's hard to beat instant gratification, but it's also hard to
beat the magic of watching the print appear before your eyes, not to
mention the smell of fixer!
If Anne has gone digital, I suspect it would be with a high end digi
back on a 'blad.
I miss my darkroom, but not enough to
Would that be the Stax earspeakers?? Always wanted to try those!
Yeah, the cheap ones. Cheapest even? SR-84's.
-- Jim
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