Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars 2ejuremy

2012-04-18 Thread MG
I figure that if you aren't moving out by the time it gets that noticeable you may not make it out no matter what it is that's burning. With all the plastics and other man-made chemicals in todays houses, flashover happens a whole lot quicker then it used to even 40 years ago. Once the

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-17 Thread Randy Bennell
If I had it to do over again, I would put styrofoam under but my garage was built in 1985 and the floor is still solid so I don't think I want to break it up and start over. My moisture problem is only a short term issue a couple of times a year so not too bad. Just annoying when it occurs. A

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Randy Bennell
When I was typing that, I thought to myself, someone is going to raise the definition of abuse. I guess I cannot argue but sometimes it is difficult to prevent. We leave my mother's car in the garage at the lake in the fall and it stays inside until mid May. Unfortunately, the spring tends to

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Give Fluid Film a try for the table saw deck and jointer. Short of heating the garage I'm not sure how to remove the moisture- well you could run some de- humidifiers! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: When I was typing that, I thought

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff
I would say to put a vapor barrier on the floor (just a big sheet of Visqueen) and as for your tools, Cosmoline. Not a lot you can do for the airborne moisture as far as the machined surfaces go without encapsulating them in something, but as for the car I would put a big honking piece of

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Greg Fiorentino
2:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars When I was typing that, I thought to myself, someone is going to raise the definition of abuse. I guess I cannot argue but sometimes it is difficult to prevent. We leave my mother's car in the garage at the lake in the fall

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Max
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Give Fluid Film a try for the table saw deck and jointer. Short of heating the garage I'm not sure how to remove the moisture- well you could run some de- humidifiers! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Electricity cost will not be cheap. You could drill a hole to the outside of the garage and attach a hose to the dehumidifier which can be routed through the hole. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Randy Bennell
I have tried to avoid using oily things as I would have to clean them in the spring before I started cutting wood again. I have used some of the commercial spray cans touted for the purpose but they are not doing the job. Cleaners and conditioners sort of things. They work fine in my basement

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Randy Bennell
The poly might be worth a try. Randy On 16/04/2012 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I would say to put a vapor barrier on the floor (just a big sheet of Visqueen) and as for your tools, Cosmoline. Not a lot you can do for the airborne moisture as far as the machined surfaces go without

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Or cover your floor with wooden planks ? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: The poly might be worth a try. Randy On 16/04/2012 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I would say to put a vapor barrier on the floor (just a big sheet of Visqueen) and

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Max
To follow up on the plastic film idea, I wonder if painting the concrete with an epoxy sealant would help? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Dan Penoff
Plastic film is cheap and easily removed each season. Painting an existing concrete floor and getting it to stick is a major undertaking, and I have yet to do it successfully on two occasions. All I am thinking about is having a vapor barrier between the floor and the car - that should be

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Craig
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:13:26 -0400 Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: To follow up on the plastic film idea, I wonder if painting the concrete with an epoxy sealant would help? Both the plastic film and painting the concrete with an epoxy sealant will help reduce/stop the transmission of

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Randy Bennell
I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy On 16/04/2012 5:13 PM, Max wrote: To follow up on the plastic film idea, I wonder if painting the concrete with an epoxy

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Well then put a vapor barrier over the concrete and then cover with warm wood. Now you are protected from the top and bottom! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread clay monroe
It seeps, because concrete cracks and water table rises. If you are below grade, it will seep in the walls and live on the floor. Only way to properly deal with this, is to heat the space and keep a dehumidifier going in the wet months. On Apr 16, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: I

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have been thinking of this. I do not have indoor storage for cars, so the ones I am not driving, or the projects to be done maybe I should park them over a tarp? Would that help at all? On 4/16/2012 4:40 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I would say to put a vapor barrier on the floor (just a big

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Dave Cavner
On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. Randy Moisture definitely migrates upward through

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread WILTON
- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because

Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

2012-04-16 Thread Mountain Man
Randy wrote: I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and humid. My son stored his motorcycle inside the outbuilding next door over the winter. He put it in a bike bag that was