Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-02-12 Thread Allan Streib
Well the guy put it up on CL, now asking $3800. Still seems high to me. It's been sitting for months on a corner with a For Sale sign in the window. http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/1594810366.html The paint is not as nice as it looks in those photos, the clear coat on the hood is

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea Dimitri Seretakis wrote: So 87 124 diesels have cracked head issues? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D,

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
if you had the 17 head then its been replaced, that is an upgraded head, not the original. Dieselhead wrote: As of now, I have or had 5 OM603s. The lowest mileage when I bought it was 175k. NONE have had cracked head problems. ALL have had the terrible 17 head. As long as the suspect

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
those cars also have head gasket problems. Donald Snook wrote: John F. wrote: So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible cracked head..which is more costly? Both are bad. That's why the best MB diesel to buy is the 90-93 300D 2.5. Its an awesome car. Donald

[MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Allan Streib
Well I had said that I was not buying any cars this year but I'd seen this W124 sitting in a yard with a for sale sign for a while. I had some time this morning so I stopped to look at it. It's an '87 300D with (if the odo is correct) about 173K miles. Nobody was around so I noted the phone

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D Well I had said that I was not buying any cars this year but I'd seen this W124 sitting in a yard with a for sale sign for a while. I had some time this morning

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D Well I had said that I was not buying any cars this year but I'd seen this W124 sitting in a yard with a for sale sign for a while. I had some time this morning so I stopped to look at it. It's an '87 300D with (if the odo is correct

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread John Freer
one way - make an offer! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D Well I had said that I

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Allan Streib
Tell me more about the cracked head issue. On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:16 -0800, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible cracked head..which is more costly? John ___

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
, January 22, 2010 1:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D Well I had said that I was not buying any cars this year but I'd seen this W124 sitting in a yard with a for sale sign for a while. I had some time this morning so I stopped to look at it. It's an '87 300D

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
As of now, I have or had 5 OM603s. The lowest mileage when I bought it was 175k. NONE have had cracked head problems. ALL have had the terrible 17 head. As long as the suspect 300D has not been recently overheated, there is a very slim chance something is wrong with the head. In later

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread John Robbins
On 1/22/2010 1:27 PM, Dieselhead wrote: terrible 17 head. The #14 is the bad one #17 is good. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread SteveB
My 87 300D has the 17 head, with 190,000 on the motor and 390,000 on the chassis. Runs great, average around 25 mpg driving fast, but I have seen 30 mpg driving it at the speed limit. Paid $1050.00 for it 3 years ago but had to repair where it was rear ended prior to my owning it. I had offered

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
him to $2500 if I'd actually had the money to wave at him... -Curt Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:12:24 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D Message-ID: 1264183944.22213.1356069...@webmail.messagingengine.com

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread John Freer
#14 was the original bad head. #17 and up was improved, so you have lucked out with someone handling the repair before you bought it. John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As of now, I have or had 5 OM603s.  The lowest mileage when I bought it was 175k.  

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Iron heads crack too, especially when abused.  I have replaced far more iron heads (3 or 4 on Mercedes Diesels) than I have aluminum heads That just goes to show that anecdotal evidence is meaningless. I've NEVER heard of

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: (not quite sure the actual mileage since it was paid for by the P.O., and the work was done at the dealer so pres Presumably correct, that sentence should end. (Hit send by accident.)

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Donald Snook
John F. wrote: So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible cracked head..which is more costly? Both are bad. That's why the best MB diesel to buy is the 90-93 300D 2.5. Its an awesome car. Donald H. Snook ___

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
Sorry, my mistake. I meant the 14 head. As near as I can tell none that i had ever had the head off. #14 was the original bad head. #17 and up was improved, so you have lucked out with someone handling the repair before you bought it. John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Dieselhead

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
The iron heads crack between the valves and from each valve to the prechamber hole. A crack under 10mm in length is permissible. I have seen iron heads with as many as 15 cracks. Even though no crack was beyond 10mm, several were near 10 mm, so I chose to replace the head anyway. As for

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: John F. wrote: So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible cracked head..which is more costly? Both are bad. That's why the best MB diesel to buy is the 90-93 300D 2.5.   Its an awesome

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As for anecdotal evidence, you are right, and your experience is as meaningless (Or meaningful) as mine. Exactly... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D Message-ID:     1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil     Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii $5k seems pretty high to me; here in Charleston I

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread WILTON
22, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D As of now, I have or had 5 OM603s. The lowest mileage when I bought it was 175k. NONE have had cracked head problems. ALL have had the terrible 17 head. As long as the suspect 300D has not been recently overheated, there is a very

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Not the same engine though, the '87 has a 6cyl. I understand they're a bit more powerful and relatively desirable because of it. '87 had the 147hp OM603 '90-93 had the OM602, with I believe a couple of hp less than the 190Dt. '94-95 had the OM606 NA engine with 24v and