Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots now Jagyoowahs

2012-01-12 Thread Dan Penoff
omplete valve job on my 63 3.8l e-type. Started right after work >>> at 5 and got done about 2 AM. Drove it home slept and was back at work at 7 >>> the next morning. Course trip time was only about 10 min. Was only about 23 >>> at the time so had

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots now Jagyoowahs

2012-01-11 Thread Rich Thomas
st Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To searc

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
homas > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots > > I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! > > I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 > > --R > >

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread M G
-0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For ne

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Fmiser
> Dan Penoff wrote: > I question that statement, as I can go back and look at cars > in the 70s or 80s and see some pretty significant differences > between the brands design-wise. Sure _you_ can. But is that an intrinsic difference? > Sure, there were some similarities, but I challenge someone

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
I used to maintain a 67 XKE for a former employer. I believe it had the 4.2l 6 cylinder in it. Best thing one could do for that engine was polish and port it - the fit and finish between the manifolds and head were horrendous. 8 hours for a valve adjustment is a little extreme - I don't recall i

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
I think the v12 XKE was a caricature. I want a '66 or '67 - synchro first gear, triple SU's, original bumpers. I'd like it even better if someone else was doing the maintenance (8hrs flat rate to adjust the valves). Someone in MB (Uhlenhaut?) was quoted saying something like "elegance is last year

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
My brother had a two door Granada. What a POS that car was! Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! > > I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 > > --R > > On 1/11/12 7:16 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Rich Thomas
I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R On 1/11/12 7:16 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I question that statement, as I can go back and look at cars in the 70s or 80s and see some pretty significant differences between the brands design-wis

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey
What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do with the person making the observation than it does about the cars being observed. I think things go in cycles, but not everyone perceives cycles in the same way! I think they're all ugly too, the

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
I question that statement, as I can go back and look at cars in the 70s or 80s and see some pretty significant differences between the brands design-wise. Sure, there were some similarities, but I challenge someone who is not car savvy to pick out, say, a Jaguar X class from a Hyundai in a group

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Ummmnh sorry no that Ford thing is still ugly and will be fugly forever, curves are nice but you go over the top and... Hendrik who points and laughs whenever he sees a Torturous Scott Ritchey wrote: I think beauty derives from function. Specifically, great cars eventually become

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-11 Thread Hendrik & Fay
I still maintain that the 90's SL (won't even bother to get chassis code) is the most ugly thing ever to come out of Sindelfingen (did they even dare to make that there? probably made in a back street factory in Taiwan). Hendrik who would rather push a 107 than be seen in the next gen SL Fmis

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Scott Ritchey
and the Edsel became ugly only after it failed in the market. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Fmiser
> Dan Penoff wrote: > For the most part they all look like jellybeans. > > No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, > like the older models did. > > Dan living in the past Man What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do wi

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Jim Cathey
As LJK Setright liked to point out, the SL was never leicht, but it did offer a bit of schport (at least up until the fat, slow early '80s 107s). The 350SL, as designed, might have been a bit sporty. Surely what the USA got was crippled, though. -- Jim _

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Actually I have always been a fan of Jaguar styling, although the engineering puts me off. Speaking of jellybeans, the E-type strikes me as being the grand jelly bean. Hendrik who has never owned a Jag Dan Penoff wrote: For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. No

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Penoff
For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'd say all MBs have become ugly in the

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Dieselhead
I'd say all MBs have become ugly in the past few years, from the hawk nose SLK through the S and the E and Cs. The profile of this new SL is nice, but the front, and the headlights in particular, are ugly. the 107 was hardly a sports car, but at least they were not ugly. 'bout time they dev

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread glenn brown
'bout time they developed a pleasing design as the SL had become rather ugly in recent years . . . just an opinion. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To sea

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Dieselhead
Well, they were lighter than a 600 or a 116, or even a 126. Leicht was somewhat subjective. On Jan 10, 2012 6:43 AM, "Rich Thomas" wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/01/2013-mercedes-benz-sl As LJK Setright liked to point out, the SL was never leicht, but it did offer a bit of sch

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 10, 2012 6:43 AM, "Rich Thomas" wrote: > > http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/01/2013-mercedes-benz-sl > As LJK Setright liked to point out, the SL was never leicht, but it did offer a bit of schport (at least up until the fat, slow early '80s 107s). Alex __