Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options. The table
showed the three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age
groups (20's 40's 60's). Based on the level of coverage I suffer
with now, I will be paying more as a single user than what I am
charged monthly to cover the whole
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:50:54 -0700 clay wrote:
> Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options. The table
> showed the three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age groups
> (20's 40's 60's). Based on the level of coverage I suffer with now, I
> will be paying more as a single use
Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options. The table showed the
three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age groups (20's 40's 60's).
Based on the level of coverage I suffer with now, I will be paying more as a
single user than what I am charged monthly to cover the whole f
Washington has legal dope and physician assisted death for terminal folks. I
would gladly smoke myself into a vegetative state after ingesting lethal
amounts of morphine
On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
> Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially olde
I think enough of them can finally be convinced that the Rs aren't
really any different from the Ds.
Mitch.
Ja, der's a difference. One set is marxist, leninist mao lovin
facists. The other set is insecure socialist facist pigs.
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Mountain Man wrote:
Roger wrote:
Each of you needs to bring pressure on your representatives.
This assumes a functional system.
No $$, no voice - see SCOTUS decision about $$/persons.
I agree with one guy I read - look for a military coup.
I emailed both of my communist Senators and my socia
IOW he's a pirate. Aagh!
--R (sent from my miniPad)
On Aug 1, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:14:37 -0400 "Scott Ritchey"
wrote:
> Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful
> builder (mostly residential). He also owns a coupl
Roger wrote:
> Each of you needs to bring pressure on your representatives.
This assumes a functional system.
No $$, no voice - see SCOTUS decision about $$/persons.
I agree with one guy I read - look for a military coup.
mao
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To sea
To all who have given great comments on this topic (not Roger, but the ACA)...
I think you'll find that the bill did originate in the House, but the Senate
(Reid with Pelosi's help) gutted the House bill and dropped in ACA. Once
mistakenly passed by the Senate, it goes to House conference or som
Mitch wrote:
> Did I guess wrong, or were you planning on buying gov't subsidized health
> insurance, or paying extra taxes for not buying it?
> From the sounds of it, it might come out pretty much free if you buy it.
>
You said things correctly, which is fine.
And, nope, I don't plan on spending
Mountain Man wrote:
Mitch wrote:
That's what they say.
Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of
allowing it.
Oh, WOW!! My intentions preceed me!! It is amazing sometimes how
much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know.
mao
Did I guess wrong
Nobody cares what is legal and what is not anymore. I guess they
can just do whatever they want. So if it is the law, the
president does not have the authority to delay the implementation
of his law, or cherry pick what to enforce and what to not. Its
supposedly the law so he has no right t
Craig wrote:
> And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must
> originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate.
Thanks.
Nice.
mao
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Mike wrote:
> I am not going to pay, period. They will probably try to sieze my personal
> property, I sold it all already, on paper.
The personal property at this residence is all old useless being used
property of no use to anyone but the dump. Nice old stuff, none of it
of any value, I'm sure
Mitch wrote:
> That's what they say.
> Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of
> allowing it.
Oh, WOW!! My intentions preceed me!! It is amazing sometimes how
much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know.
mao
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 "Scott Ritchey"
wrote:
> > On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >
> > Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld
> > Obamacare so it's "the
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:14:37 -0400 "Scott Ritchey"
wrote:
> Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful
> builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a
> yacht or two. For his vacation he "works" as a yacht repo guy.
> Typically he and some bu
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 "Scott Ritchey"
wrote:
> > On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >
> > Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld
> > Obamacare so it's "the law of the land".
>
> Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott.
And it is another w
Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott.
-Original Message-
On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so
it's "the law of the land".
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On 01/08/2013 5:14 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful
builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a
yacht or two. For his vacation he "works" as a yacht repo guy. Typically
he and some buds fly to Florida, t
Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful
builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a
yacht or two. For his vacation he "works" as a yacht repo guy. Typically
he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht,
ensu
I am not going to pay, period. They will probably try to sieze my personal
property, I sold it all already, on paper.
Mike
On Aug 1, 2013 5:03 PM, "Mitch Haley" wrote:
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare
>> so
>> it's "the law
That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.
You are assuming that obummercare is a law. It is NOT.
(this is where Mao chimes in to tell you the paper that makes the
case that it is not a law.)
Even though it is not a law, the gummit will attempt to enforce it as
if it were a law
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so
it's "the law of the land".
That's what they say.
Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of
allowing it.
Obama, Pelosi, et al said it's not a tax.
Department of
Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so
it's "the law of the land".
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.
>>
>
> No effing way.
> That would give them the idea
Mitch Haley wrote:
That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to
participate in commerce.
Crap. Accidentally deleted half of that and missed a word when retyping.
That would give them the idea that they have the power to ORDER us to
participate in commerce.
(commerce that
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.
No effing way.
That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to participate in
commerce.
Mitch.
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That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
>> to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and
>> pay
>>
Michael Canfield wrote:
I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay
for my care while incarcerated.
So, what are you going to do if the individual mandate isn't postponed or
repealed and y
Mike wrote:
> I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
> to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay
> for my care while incarcerated.
You along with most of okiebenz, it appears. And probably a good
portion of the target insurable
Mitch wrote:
> Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do
> that to you?
It is called Death Panel.
Doctors do this all the time when they participate in emergency
recovery drill such as airplane crash. Individuals are graded as to
survivor or not and that is the
I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay
for my care while incarcerated.
Mike
On Aug 1, 2013 3:23 PM, "G Mann" wrote:
> willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to ge
drfatty wrote:
> it's a completely broken country. every system is broken
> and there is no plan to fix anything
Totally.
mao
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Because they can.
If you read all 2,000+ pages of the "affordable healthcare act" [surely
must be a joke name] and the additional 70,000+ pages of "affordable
healthcare act regulations] written after the act, but under the color of
authority, you find that you are forced to purchase it,
If yo
I missed growing my own food and exercising daily. ;<)
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Randy Bennell"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
On 31/07/2013 6:12 PM, Ric
i'm gonna guess most of this shit is bank owned. they aren't even real sea
voyaging people, as far as i can tell. they just go out on a weekend day
and get drunk with their friends, screaming and blaring music while
basically floating along in the intercoastal. the also each have an amg
mercedes
that "canadian pharmacy" talk is largely fraud, btw. it certainly is not
from a licensed pharmacy in canada but pure 3rd world black market, mostly
out of india.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now
On 31/07/2013 6:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Randy Bennell" wrote:
How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated
with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental
issues.
Possibly a factor. Our livers proce
well, competition is supposed to prevent what you described. (gary
wrote: avoid providing the service that they've contracted to
provide.). IMO when the govt gets involved and the Law of Unintended
Consequences take over then all hell-o kicks in. if the insureres
could cross state lines fo
+1
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.
>
> From: Dan Penoff
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
>
>
>Because they can.
>
>Eli Lilly is one
Because they can.
Eli Lilly is one of the worst offenders.
Dan
On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
>> insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare
>
>
> A fr
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:01:09 -0400 Gary Hurst
wrote:
> you need to come to south florida and start running scams. lots of
> yachts in this neighborhood!
Yes, but are the user-owned or bank-owned? Do we have a yacht bubble?
Craig
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been
feeding us for a long time. But I've said this before and I'll keep
saying it: insurance is the one product in the marketplace that
everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon
heal
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have
> it today. what is the point of any kind of insurance? to protect you from
> financial ruin in case something goes south on you.
This is certainly the line that the i
Allan Streib wrote:
If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they probably would
not have bothered to develop the drug in the first place.
True, but how did we let ourselves get in the position of subsidizing other
countries' government health plans, and how to we get out of that
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and
they
willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get
$230
each when they sell it in USA?
If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they pro
Gary Hurst wrote:
for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare
A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family
of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last
this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have
it today. what is the point of any kind of insurance? to protect you from
financial ruin in case something goes south on you. so say all your crap
is worth $50k, you you might buy some kind of fire/theft type insurance f
Rich Thomas wrote:
Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially
older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few
more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more
more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty m
you need to come to south florida and start running scams. lots of yachts
in this neighborhood!
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a yacht
> would be nice.
>
> --R
>
>
>
Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a
yacht would be nice.
--R
On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how" don't
disturb them. i
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I believe a recent study showed that the bulk of Medicare expenditures take
place in the last two years of the patient's life.
Dan
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here. anytime an old
> person has a headache o
Craig writes:
> I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I
> don't remember exactly what it was.
I happened to see this a few weeks back
https://asunews.asu.edu/20130712_pauldavies_cancer_research
A couple of excerpts:
We envisage cancer as the execution of
the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here. anytime an old
person has a headache or stomach ache, $200k plus is spent on "medical
care." many of the elderly enjoy the attention and feel participation is
worthwhile, but spending 7 figures a year on someone who is not even
actually in nee
Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially
older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few
more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more
more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go
with the des
clay wrote:
> I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person
> to make their peace.
>
That is the route my wife has settled in her mind after watching her
mom die 20 years ago. That stuff is waaay to unaffordable. Eat right
and make peace.
mao
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I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person
to make their peace. The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is
stage one. All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of
death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpri
Rick wrote:
> If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible...
Your list forgot one important health care element.
Do Not visit the health care system. The objective of health care is
Not to provide cure or treatment - their objective is to find
problems. Not unlike I do with my 3-peda
Mike wrote:
> Many folks
> may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
> than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
> Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
> cure over tax money suck worse.
My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputate
On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Randy Bennell" wrote:
> How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated
> with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental
> issues.
Possibly a factor. Our livers process all the stuff we take into our bodie
Again, people are living longer than ever before, eating whatever they
eat. That even goes for the poor black women in SC who generally eat
crap fried stuff, just like people here have done for 400 years here,
and weigh 300+lb, and develop cancer (mostly breast for women) among
other diseases
it's like dogs. all our dogs seem to die of cancer, so we conclude that
dogs are prone to cancer. then we wonder why dogs in other places seem to
live longer and have less cancer but can't quite get ourselves to accept
that maybe it is that we feed the dogs more carcinogens than they do in
other
On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst" wrote:
i think i've
read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
lifetime.
That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
causes of morbidity have been elimin
it may be longevity and better detection methods, but it may also be
somewhat due to the food we eat, where we live and the air we breathe.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst" wrote:
>
> > i think i've
> > read that half of us in the
Bad seafood leads to Hep A. I got same from eating tainted clams in
Piraeus back in 1973.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> People (in the developed world) are living longer than ever, so all that
> stuff you mention arguably does not h
People (in the developed world) are living longer than ever, so all that
stuff you mention arguably does not have a big effect on anything, and
might even be increasing life expectancy. I really don't worry about
that stuff as it is more than offset by improvements in things that
contribute to
I think increases in cancer are a misleading statistic. I do not disagree
that there is a lot of cancer out there but a lot of it went un-noticed
before more modern testing practices made it easier to find. Many folks
may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
than be
On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst" wrote:
> i think i've
> read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
> lifetime.
That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
b
my thought is not so much curing cancer as preventing it. i think i've
read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
lifetime. this basically means getting cancer is normal, which seems
obscene to me and not consistent with my understanding of the historical
record
On Tue, J
Look up Rick Simpson Oil.
Mike
On Jul 30, 2013 10:57 PM, "Craig" wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> wrote:
>
> > Sure hope nobody hoped he got it.
> > All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have
> > found a cure by now.
>
> Cancer is a
You can't yet think of a "cure" for cancer as that is not really how it works
(sorta, with some exceptions, sorta). The idea is to beat it down and keep it
down if possible, which, sadly, is not yet generally possible. Progress is
measured in very small incremental steps measured in fractions
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