Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Tomas Bodzar
From Linux man page for ls NAME ls - list directory contents SYNOPSIS ls [OPTION]... [FILE]... pay special attention to synopsis section. I can't see here that your format of scripts is allowed. so use what's standard and expected behaviour. It doesn't mean that if some system is

net-snmp in 4.9 : does it work for you ?

2011-06-22 Thread Patrick Lamaiziere
Hello, I've updated my two pf firewalls today from 4.8 to 4.9 (worked fine, nice). But it looks there is a problem with net-snmp and the traffic reported (IF-MIB). This is not correct anymore (like 30 Mbits/s instead more than 150 Mbits/s). I've checked the interfaces indexes in the snmp tables

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:48:59AM +0200, Benny Lofgren wrote: On 2011-06-22 03.03, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Please continue to use Linux. That's ugly, useless and dangerous. Oops, looks like that was a holy war type of question. Sorry I did not want to start that. If you want

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Morgan LEFIEUX
Why don't you use aliases ? in your .zshrc: alias ls=ls -lh alias l=ls -lh Le 22/06/2011 05:50, vadi...@gmail.com a C)crit : On 6/21/11, Johan Beisserj...@caustic.org wrote: I use Bash and OpenBSD's ksh. In both CTRL-a gets me back to the beginning of the line. I use zsh in vi mode. So

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread vadimou
I understood the idea, but please keep in mind that I'm just a regular user, not OS developer. I just pick features I find useful no matter how wrong they look. That was a stop or go kind of question because I do not want to spend a lot of time reading manual and experimenting with stuff just to

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread vadimou
Why don't you use aliases ? It's not about 'ls' only: I've just used it as an example. I noticed that after running a command with one set of options sometimes I want to add another option(s). For some reason this is important for me to the extent that I have not become a FreeBSD user when I had

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Benny Lofgren
On 2011-06-22 09.24, Tobias Ulmer wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:48:59AM +0200, Benny Lofgren wrote: On 2011-06-22 03.03, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Please continue to use Linux. That's ugly, useless and dangerous. Oops, looks like that was a holy war type of question. Sorry I did not want

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:20:22PM -0400, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I really did not want to start any flame. I just thought that getting answer from the mailing list would be faster than spending my time studying source code of the new system. What you should do is relearn the proper

Re: Can one interface have an IP address and bridge as well?

2011-06-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
Seconded, or alternatively can you add another interface (physical or vlan) to place the server on? It might be possible to do bridging and nat on the same interface (possibly using bridge rules and PF tags) but at best you're setting yourself up for a complicated and fragile ruleset. On

Re: Sendmail+SSL+SASL

2011-06-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-06-21, gdrm g...@opensrv.org wrote: Hello misc, I'm trying to configure OpenBSD4.9 with Sendmail as a mail server and so far, so good, I have a configuration with static IP, masked and with ssl support, but I can not figure out how to implement sasl, someonehas a link where to find

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Tobias Ulmer
tl;dr: In my opinion, these anti Linux rants do harm to OpenBSD by condemning everything Linux does instead of allowing us to pick out just the good parts. On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:22:02AM +0200, Benny Lofgren wrote: On 2011-06-22 09.24, Tobias Ulmer wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:48:59AM

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:49:22 +0200 Tobias Ulmer tobi...@tmux.org wrote: tl;dr: In my opinion, these anti Linux rants do harm to OpenBSD by condemning everything Linux does instead of allowing us to pick out just the good parts. Hmm. Even if there would be no antilinux rants it is just

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread gilbert . fernandes
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:24:35AM +0200, Tobias Ulmer wrote: This rose tinted OpenBSD is the greatest shit really gets on my nerves. It's all fun to bash others, but from time to time you have to look at their stuff and figure out which parts they did right and you could improve. Yeah sure.

Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread ter Voorde Informatiesystemen
Hi there, At first, I would like to apologize for the possibility that this e-mail message might fatigue you, but I just want to be sure. I would like to know if my machine automatically reboots at a kernel panic (if it's not failing too much because of malfunctioning hardware, etc.,

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread David Coppa
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, ter Voorde Informatiesystemen wrote: In /etc/sysctl.conf I see the following commented line: #ddb.panic=0 and nothing else about ddb.panic is present there. With other words, I guess: 'ddb.panic=0' is the default boot time setting and does not have to be set

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:12:30 +0200 ter Voorde Informatiesystemen i...@tv-is.nl wrote: Hi there, At first, I would like to apologize for the possibility that this e-mail message might fatigue you, but I just want to be sure. I would like to know if my machine automatically reboots at a

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread ter Voorde Informatiesystemen
Sir Coppa, That's why I apologized... Forgetting the possibility of reading out the value of ddb.panic. Kind of stupid for a person (me) doing 'sysctl hw.sensors' 10 times a week. But that's off topic. It is set now and returns 0. That machine will me moved 30 kilometers away and must stay

Watchdog timeout on Marvell Yukon 88E8053 (driver msk, 4.9-release)

2011-06-22 Thread Mathieu Blanc
Hello everybody, I updated my openbsd firewalls (two carp-ed fw) last month (May 24th) to 4.9 release. I don't know if this is related, but i have a significant numbers of watchdog timeout errors in logs (the master becomes slave when the error appears). Before the update, i've just seen

Re: net-snmp in 4.9 : does it work for you ?

2011-06-22 Thread Patrick Lamaiziere
Le Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:23:01 +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere patf...@davenulle.org a C)crit : Hello, I've updated my two pf firewalls today from 4.8 to 4.9 (worked fine, nice). But it looks there is a problem with net-snmp and the traffic reported (IF-MIB). This is not correct anymore (like 30

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread Marcos Laufer
I am sorry, this confused me, and i didn't quite understand. Just to be clear: ddb.panic=0 will boot instead of dropping you into a ddb? Or is it ddb.panic=1 the option that will make the system boot? Regards, David Coppa wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, ter Voorde Informatiesystemen wrote:

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Marco Peereboom
tl;dr linux still sucks On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 01:49:22PM +0200, Tobias Ulmer wrote: tl;dr: In my opinion, these anti Linux rants do harm to OpenBSD by condemning everything Linux does instead of allowing us to pick out just the good parts. On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:22:02AM +0200, Benny

nroff

2011-06-22 Thread Friedrich Locke
Hi folks, i have installed openbsd 4.9 and i am trying to compile ucspi-tcp-0.88 with a ssl patch, but the compilation process fails due to not finding a program called nroff. Previous version of OpenBSD seems to have installed nroff. Does anybody knows why it was removed? How could i install

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-06-22, Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:49:22 +0200 Tobias Ulmer tobi...@tmux.org wrote: tl;dr: In my opinion, these anti Linux rants do harm to OpenBSD by condemning everything Linux does instead of allowing us to pick out just the good parts.

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:45:49 -0300 Marcos Laufer mar...@ipversion4.com wrote: ddb.panic=0 will boot instead of dropping you into a ddb? greg@greg:~$ banner YES # # ### # # # # # # # # # # ### ## # ## # #

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:09:17 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2011-06-22, Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:49:22 +0200 Tobias Ulmer tobi...@tmux.org wrote: tl;dr: In my opinion, these anti Linux rants do harm to OpenBSD by

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:45:49AM -0300, Marcos Laufer wrote: I am sorry, this confused me, and i didn't quite understand. Just to be clear: ddb.panic=0 will boot instead of dropping you into a ddb? Or is it ddb.panic=1 the option that will make the system boot? Please... are we not a

Re: nroff

2011-06-22 Thread Ted Unangst
pkg_add groff On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, i have installed openbsd 4.9 and i am trying to compile ucspi-tcp-0.88 with a ssl patch, but the compilation process fails due to not finding a program called nroff. Previous version

Re: nroff

2011-06-22 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:52:17 -0300 Friedrich Locke wrote: Previous version of OpenBSD seems to have installed nroff. Does anybody knows why it was removed? How could i install it? I think it wasn't needed for the man pages anymore. It is in ports, groff, I think. A search for nroff on the

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:11:36 +0300 Gregory Edigarov wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:45:49 -0300 Marcos Laufer mar...@ipversion4.com wrote: ddb.panic=0 will boot instead of dropping you into a ddb? greg@greg:~$ banner YES # # ### # # # # # # # # # #

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Tobias Ulmer tobi...@tmux.org wrote: tl;dr: In my opinion, these anti Linux rants do harm to OpenBSD by condemning everything Linux does instead of allowing us to pick out just the good parts. Don't worry, the ranters and the pickers aren't the same people.

Re: nroff

2011-06-22 Thread Tim van der Molen
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:52:17 +0200, Friedrich Locke wrote: i have installed openbsd 4.9 and i am trying to compile ucspi-tcp-0.88 with a ssl patch, but the compilation process fails due to not finding a program called nroff. Previous version of OpenBSD seems to have installed nroff. Does

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread David Hoskin
When I first switched to OpenBSD, I thought this would be a huge problem, but I got used to it in a week or two. Like someone else said, I just use CTRL-A to go back to the start of the line. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm considering migrating my desktop

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Tobias Ulmer tobi...@tmux.org wrote: The getopt(3) function is inconsistent amongst operating systems and could use some polish in my opinion. Maybe there are technical reasons why this feature can't be implemented, but this discussion has certainly

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Eric S Pulley
On Tue, June 21, 2011 5:39 pm, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm considering migrating my desktop from Linux to OpenBSD but the main feature that kept me away from *BSD world for over a decade since I've first tried FreeBSD was the one that options must only be specified after command before

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread m brandenberg
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you use aliases ? It's not about 'ls' only: I've just used it as an example. I noticed that after running a command with one set of options sometimes I want to add another option(s). For some reason this is important for me to the extent

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Bryan Irvine
Linus didn't do his homework properly. That, combined with the fact that Linux became such a huge success is both a blessing and a curse to us in the unix community; on the one hand Linux provides us with plenty of young blood in a new generation of hackers... while on the other hand they

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread ropers
On 22 June 2011 21:22, Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth ls, is part of GNU. I yanked this right from ls.c /* Written by Richard Stallman and David MacKenzie. */ **ducks** Huh? http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/bin/ls/ls.c?rev=1.37;content-type=t

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Benny Lofgren
On 2011-06-22 13.49, Tobias Ulmer wrote: OpenBSD specifically and old BSD in general is not true to Unix. From ksh to billions of options to find and other tools to the entire networking framework (bolted on with additional syscalls, pseudo devices etc), nothing of that is Unix (or even

Re: Automatic reboot on kernel panic

2011-06-22 Thread ter Voorde Informatiesystemen
You are completely right. I was only wondering if I do not set the variable explicitly, the default value would be 0 or 1. Kind regards, Frank On 06/22/11 17:12, Raimo Niskanen wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:45:49AM -0300, Marcos Laufer wrote: I am sorry, this confused me, and i didn't

Re: Can one interface have an IP address and bridge as well?

2011-06-22 Thread Paul Suh
Folks, I could add another physical interface for the internal end of the bridge, but not for the external end. Would this work? --Paul On Jun 22, 2011, at 6:56 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: Seconded, or alternatively can you add another interface (physical or vlan) to place the server on?

Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?

2011-06-22 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Wednesday, June 22, 2011, ropers rop...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2011 21:22, Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth ls, is part of GNU. I yanked this right from ls.c /* Written by Richard Stallman and David MacKenzie. */ **ducks** Huh?

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Question: IP NAT syntax on CARP interface

2011-06-22 Thread Stefan N
Hi guys, I am in the midst of configuring the OpenBSD 4.9 PF using ip balancing and active-passive solution. Every interface was configured successfully but I hit the problem when I am going to add IP Alias/NAT IP on carp interface. 1)For active-passive scenario: Let say I am going to