Re: report errors with ports apps

2012-03-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2012-03-07, Mihai Popescu wrote: > Hello, > > What is the proper way to report glitches or errors from applications > present in ports only ( not in base) ? > Is it ok to discuss those on ports@ ? I want to avoid doing this on > misc@ from now on. > > Thank you. > > Yes ports@ is ok.

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 08:24:31PM +0100, Benny Lofgren wrote: > On 2012-03-07 17.23, Dennis den Brok wrote: > > On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > >> So I think a pronounced confirmation question before touching the disk > >> is not a bad thing. It is what many would expect. > > As there seem

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 16:23 +, Dennis den Brok wrote: > As there seems to be much resistance to one more (redundant) question > in the installer, I suggest to add a simple message to that part > of the installer, as in > > "(Choosing 'whole disk' will become effective immediately.)" > > or ev

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 23:06 -0300, Marcos Bento Luna wrote: > ...Ok, another try and I'm back staring > at the disk partitioning tool, however I cold not guess wich was > the correct partition I should select, because the information was > displayed in bytes, not GBs, and th

Re[2]: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Mo Libden
08 PQ "Dmitrij D. Czarkoff" : > On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 16:23 +, Dennis den Brok wrote: > > > > "Use (W)hole disk (writes to disk immediately) or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]" > > > > While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears > > at that point a little deceptive, in that one (

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:50:15 +0100 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > Furthermore, the more chatty installer is, the less amount of > newcomers would be reading the messages. I had a thought last night, how worrying that my mind jumped to OpenBSD in front of the TV. It occurred to me that it wasn't too

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Nick Holland
On 03/08/12 06:48, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:50:15 +0100 > Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > >> Furthermore, the more chatty installer is, the less amount of >> newcomers would be reading the messages. > > I had a thought last night, how worrying that my mind jumped to OpenBSD > i

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Russell Garrison
It really is amazing how much the install is genuinely loved on OpenBSD. I think there are other distributions out there where the installer is liked or even praised, but I would describe my feelings and what I see here as love. It is always a pleasure when I have the chance to show someone the ins

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread f5b
whether Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole] or Use (W)hole disk, use the (O)penBSD area, or (E)dit the MBR? [OpenBSD] I would like empty in Square brackets[ ], user should input w/o/e here, only Enter should do nothing but repeat last line.

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 02:43:46PM +0400, Mo Libden wrote: > 08 PQ "Dmitrij D. Czarkoff" : > > On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 16:23 +, Dennis den Brok wrote: > > > > > > "Use (W)hole disk (writes to disk immediately) or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]" > > > > > > While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's

Network interfaces order changes on boot

2012-03-08 Thread Luca Corti
Hello, I ave this 5.0 box I just setup. It works nicely but on boot network interfaces order seems to randomly change. The box has two bye nics, bge0 and bge1. Basically on reboot the box may pick a different device for the physical interfaces than the time before. Swapping cables restores operati

Re: pfsync changes in current?

2012-03-08 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2012 Mar 07 (Wed) at 15:58:21 +0200 (+0200), Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: :Hi, : :I'm running a setup of Active/backup firewalls with carp/pfsync :successfully for the last year. : :Today I've upgraded the primary firewall to the latest snapshot (12 Feb), :and as soon as the firewall booted it bec

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread daniel holtzman
The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a user is not committed to a high level of responsibility (and freedom), install-time is a great time for a wake-up call. I doubt Leonardo will make this sa

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Jan Stary
On Mar 08 07:20:56, Nick Holland wrote: > On 03/08/12 06:48, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:50:15 +0100 > > Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > > > >> Furthermore, the more chatty installer is, the less amount of > >> newcomers would be reading the messages. > > > > I had a thought las

MATHNASIUM, Gimnasio de Matemáticas. publicidad bo sig

2012-03-08 Thread MATHNASIUM
[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of fencontradamente.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of rabanero.jpg]

Re: openbsd 5.0 lifebook p1110 kernal panic on suspend/standby

2012-03-08 Thread Kendall Shaw
Ted Unangst writes: > As a short term workaround, type -c at the boot prompt, then "disable > cbb" at the next prompt, then quit, and see what happens. I still get a panic and it didn't change the panic string or the trace. Kendall > On Wed, Mar 07, 2012, Kendall Shaw wrote: >> Kendall Shaw w

STARTTLS DSA vs RSA

2012-03-08 Thread Raymond Lillard
I have an OpenBSD system with sendmail/TLS configured according to starttls(8) which calls for DSA keys. I have a situation where an MS Exchange Server contacts my sendmail in an attempt to transfer a message. The transfer fails with "no shared cypher". This sendmail handles over 10k messages p

Re: rsync screams about read-only filesystem

2012-03-08 Thread Alexander Hall
On 03/05/12 21:24, Jiri B wrote: OK I agree I was very vague, mostly because I have thought it must be very obvious PEBKAC. Sorry. Well, here is as much info as I collected. The goal of the script below is to synchronize in memory filesystem directories to USB stick. Some lines are just to prin

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Barry Grumbine
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it > is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any > way now, as I just can't think of a way to make it better. > Sorry, hate to beat a dead h

Re: openbsd 5.0 lifebook p1110 kernal panic on suspend/standby

2012-03-08 Thread dan . becker
Z --dan -Original Message- From: Kendall Shaw Sender: owner-misc@openbsd.orgDate: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:24:42 To: Subject: Re: openbsd 5.0 lifebook p1110 kernal panic on suspend/standby Ted Unangst writes: > As a short term workaround, type -c at the boot prompt, then "disab

Re: STARTTLS DSA vs RSA

2012-03-08 Thread Philip Guenther
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Raymond Lillard wrote: > Why does starttls(8) describe only DSA ? ... > Is this just because nobody has updated the man > page, and are there reasons to prefer one over > the other? For quite a while, DSA *was* the Mandatory-To-Implement authentication algorithm fo

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 04:40:47PM -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff > wrote: > > Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it > > is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any > > way now, as I j

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread richo
On 07/03/12 15:27 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote: >On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Russell Garrison > wrote: >> I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement. >> You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick >> with GRUB instead of downloading a

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Ted Unangst
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: > On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 04:40:47PM -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote: >> Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 >> Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] >> >> At this point I usually say "oh crap", hit ^c, and go read the dmesg >> or `disklabel sd1`

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:40 -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote: > Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 > Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] > > At this point I usually say "oh crap", hit ^c, and go read the dmesg > or `disklabel sd1` to make sure I pick the right disk. That's interesting, as for

Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-08 Thread Fredrik Staxeng
Do you want users at all? Or was Linus right? -- Fredrik Stax\"ang | rot13: s...@hcqngr.hh.fr This is all you need to know about vi: ESC : q ! RET

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-08 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 08:28:37AM +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote: > Do you want users at all? Or was Linus right? well, we *do* prefer those who come with a sense of humor. - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.ne

Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?

2012-03-08 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 08:28:37AM +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote: | Do you want users at all? Or was Linus right? Linus was right. Now please excuse me while I go and masturbate to some other primates[1]. Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd [1]: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 PS: Was that

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

2012-03-08 Thread Anonymous Remailer (austria)
> That's interesting, as for me bsd.rd only creates sd0, so I have to find > the right sdN in dmesg and then "cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV sdN" if I want to > install OS there... as somebody else said the easiest thing is to use whatever fdisk you prefer and make an OpenBSD partition before starting the OB