Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-28 Thread Michel-Ange Zamor
very Well expressed ... On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 07:48 -0500, Carson Chittom wrote: > Daniel Villarreal writes: > > > I have to reconsider if I will ever buy another set of [Theo's] software, or > > continue to use it. > > Quit whining. Seriously, you're making us Americans look bad. > > I like

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-27 Thread Nick Holland
Is it just me, or is there a certain irony between the statement: > And less chest thumping "we are the greatest rah rah rah" idjits would be good > too and this auto-sig: > Sent from my iPhone did anyone else here the *thump* *thump* *thump*? Or is that just a left-over ringing in my ears from

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread john slee
On 27 August 2011 06:09, Rob Payne wrote: > Chris, feel free to get out of the US. We do not need any apologists > here. The free world would not be so without us. Discouraging expression of ideas that don't toe the Party line sounds rather like one of the USA's old enemies... One can certainl

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread Super Biscuit
process- It is a committee and not a democracy. --- On Fri, 8/26/11, Theo de Raadt wrote: From: Theo de Raadt Subject: Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD? To: "Amit Kulkarni" Cc: "Nick Holland" , misc@openbsd.org Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 2:57 AM

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread goodb0fh
And less chest thumping "we are the greatest rah rah rah" idjits would be good too Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:54 PM, ropers wrote: > On 26 August 2011 22:09, Rob Payne wrote: >> Chris, feel free to get out of the US. We do not need any apologists >> here. > > Apologists, eh? >

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread ropers
On 26 August 2011 22:09, Rob Payne wrote: > Chris, feel free to get out of the US. We do not need any apologists > here. Apologists, eh? You keep using that word... ;-P That said, I completely agree. The last thing the US in its current state needs is apologists.

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread Rob Payne
Chris, feel free to get out of the US. We do not need any apologists here. The free world would not be so without us. Theo can adopt any policy he wishes in his British Commonwealth. No one gives a rat's ass. If his product is useful, I'll buy it. OpenBSD continues in spite of Theo's 'leaders

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread LeviaComm Networks
On 8/26/2011 6:01 AM, Chris Bennett wrote: I have to support Theo on this. I am also an American. Have you noticed OpenBSD's policy on crypto work? No Americans due to fucked up US laws, not even if they live outside of US. Have you noticed a while back that Theo was looking for Hackathon sites

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread Henrique António Evaristo
What you mean snow ? Europe is more than Sweden and Norway! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Carson Chittom wrote: > Daniel Villarreal writes: > >> I have to reconsider if I will ever buy another set of [Theo's] software, or >> continue to use it. > > Quit whining. Seriously, you're making us A

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread Chris Bennett
I have to support Theo on this. I am also an American. Have you noticed OpenBSD's policy on crypto work? No Americans due to fucked up US laws, not even if they live outside of US. Have you noticed a while back that Theo was looking for Hackathon sites and said no US sites? Have you noticed worl

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread Carson Chittom
Daniel Villarreal writes: > I have to reconsider if I will ever buy another set of [Theo's] software, or > continue to use it. Quit whining. Seriously, you're making us Americans look bad. I like being an American, and specifically one from the southeast US. There is exactly zero chance that I

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-26 Thread Daniel Villarreal
Theo, I call you on it. I'm American. I have an American perspective. I basically earn minimum wage in Canada, but I take pride in my work because my Dad taught me to. Dad was in the USN. I am trying to teach my son what my Dad taught me. I have to reconsider if I will ever buy another set of your

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-25 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I don't think Free and Net learnt anything from the old Unix lawsuit, > the whole unpleasantness of it. Their group is largely American; and when not in location they are so in perspective. Why would they have learned anything? Shall I keep it short? They are simplistic retards, not because t

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-25 Thread Amit Kulkarni
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> yeah, you gotta wonder about that. >> No, really, you don't. >> Those that tell you it is about "Freedom" are mostly full of shit. >> It's about "it didn't cost me anything" to most of them. > > We've got an entire operating system which is

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-24 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Steve Shockley wrote: > On 8/23/2011 11:17 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> >> Who are these "ZFS and dtrace" people? Are they HFT programmers? B I >> really don't know. B Do they help the project? B I can assure you that >> they do not. > > Perhaps they want to use dtr

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-24 Thread Steve Shockley
On 8/23/2011 11:17 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Who are these "ZFS and dtrace" people? Are they HFT programmers? I really don't know. Do they help the project? I can assure you that they do not. Perhaps they want to use dtrace to find out where their ZFS data went...

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
> yeah, you gotta wonder about that. > No, really, you don't. > Those that tell you it is about "Freedom" are mostly full of shit. > It's about "it didn't cost me anything" to most of them. We've got an entire operating system which is completely free as a base; besides that, a shrinking set of GP

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-23 Thread Nick Holland
On 08/23/11 12:17, Tomas Bodzar wrote: ... > OpenBSD is really clear about its policy, but do you think that it's > really possible to port stuff this way and made it available as > module without need for change of license or worrying about shark > suits? "porting" stuff isn't the issue, usually

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-23 Thread Chris Cappuccio
martian67 [martia...@gmail.com] wrote: > > It is extremely clear, no non-ISC licensed/similarly licensed > software will be imported into base. Peroid. I don't know about that. Quite a bit of GPL software is now being incorporated into the base tree. In fact, Theo is almost finished importing

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-23 Thread martian67
On 8/23/2011 10:17 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote: Hi all, as some of you maybe know there's new player on OS market called http://smartos.org . What's starting to be interesting is their "port" of KVM to Solaris code base which is used as a kernel module. Bryan Cantrill didn't talk much about licenses

Re: CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-23 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:17:53PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > Hi all, > > as some of you maybe know there's new player on OS market called > http://smartos.org . What's starting to be interesting is their "port" > of KVM to Solaris code base which is used as a kernel module. > > Bryan Cantrill

CDDL vs GPL and maybe some implications for BSD?

2011-08-23 Thread Tomas Bodzar
Hi all, as some of you maybe know there's new player on OS market called http://smartos.org . What's starting to be interesting is their "port" of KVM to Solaris code base which is used as a kernel module. Bryan Cantrill didn't talk much about licenses in his paper http://www.linux-kvm.org/wiki/i