Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Frank Bax
Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:11:21 -0700 (MST) Diana Eichert wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Steve Shockley wrote: On 2/13/2010 6:49 PM, Diana Eichert wrote: PS when I went to college BSD didn't exist and I turned out "okay" The overly pedantic part of me wonders if y

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Han Hwei Woo
I can tell you that *BSD is alive and well, and if anything is thriving in the network, data centre, and hosting environments. A search of the NANOG mailing lists (anyone teaching networking should know what NANOG is), and the webhostingtalk.com forums (where many hosting providers participate) wil

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Andres Genovez
2010/2/13 Tomas Bodzar > People which like S/M (iptables) are able to follow only one argument > - punch them. It's something which makes them happy :-D > > Now something more seriously. I think that it will be possible to > write about iptables and provide (eg. as comment) "how-to" for OpenBSD >

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Miod Vallat
> Hehe. I did APL. Was gonna be the next best thing to sliced bread ;-) I'm sure you meant to write ``bake-only sliced bread'' here! Miod

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:11:21 -0700 (MST) Diana Eichert wrote: > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Steve Shockley wrote: > > > On 2/13/2010 6:49 PM, Diana Eichert wrote: > >> PS when I went to college BSD didn't exist and I turned out "okay" > > > > The overly pedantic part of me wonders if you went to colleg

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:40:05 + TS Lura wrote: > "ooh, that's > cool" It's the poor man's Apple, without all the caveats, controls and gotchas, but with a complete toolbox and manual. You can run it on anything that will run a WinDos (and then some), and you will get more reliability with b

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-15 Thread Michal
On 14/02/2010 02:40, TS Lura wrote: > Thank you all for the replies. > > I might do a lecture on my own, presenting OpenBSD. > > If I where to do that it, as a subsection, would be cool to give references > to other institutions that are using OpenBSD and why they are using it. > > Why one would

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-14 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
"When in doubt use brute force" Any melee weapon will do. -- Christiano Farina HAESBAERT Do NOT send me html mail.

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-14 Thread Erdenebat Gantumur
Dear All, I don't usually write an email for the mailing list. But when I hear your situation I decided to write. :) First of all, I completely support the comments of Bayard Bell. I'm also MS of Information Security student at CMU and I'm really sorry behalf of your professor if everything was t

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-14 Thread Diana Eichert
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Steve Shockley wrote: On 2/13/2010 6:49 PM, Diana Eichert wrote: PS when I went to college BSD didn't exist and I turned out "okay" The overly pedantic part of me wonders if you went to college pre-'77... my introductory CS class was Algol-W, you figure out the timeline

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-14 Thread Bayard Bell
I'd venture that your professor isn't particularly well-educated if he thinks BSD is dead or dying from either a commercial or a pedagogical perspective. A considerable amount of literature on the subject of networking is written using the BSD codebase as reference (e.g. the Richard Stevens TCP/IP

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread ropers
On 13 February 2010 09:06, TS Lura wrote: > This might be the wrong crowd, but (...) Linux at least once should be > mentioned as GNU/Linux.(system-tools/Kernel, to pay tribute). This is indeed the wrong crowd for that. http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#43 > I feel it's game over, at this point. B

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Steve Shockley
On 2/13/2010 6:49 PM, Diana Eichert wrote: PS when I went to college BSD didn't exist and I turned out "okay" The overly pedantic part of me wonders if you went to college pre-'77...

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Chris Dukes
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:06:30AM +, TS Lura wrote: > Dear OpenBSD community, > > I'm a student for a MSc Advanced Networking degree. > > I have a little situation maybe you guys could give me some feedback on. > > The issue is that my module leader is refusing even to consider mentioning >

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread TS Lura
Thank you all for the replies. I might do a lecture on my own, presenting OpenBSD. If I where to do that it, as a subsection, would be cool to give references to other institutions that are using OpenBSD and why they are using it. Why one would use OpenBSD, over eg. GNU/Linux. Now I would site p

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Corey
On 02/13/2010 02:06 AM, TS Lura wrote: I feel it's game over, at this point. But maybe you guys have some suggestion about good arguments that might persuade my professor? Cheers, TSLura. You can look at it this way: you will have a leg up on your classmates because you have done enough sel

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Diana Eichert
sorry, some people are idiots, including professors. *BSD is not dying However, since this is a Network course which supposedly introduces you to routers and whatever, you could ask the prof if he knows much about Juniper routers. oh, yeah, before you ask the prof that question you might want to

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread bofh
"Bsd" is used in quite a lot of things. Think netapps appliances which run bsd. Think windows (2000 at least) which took the tcp stack from freebsd. There are a lot of such "appliances". Even cisco's ios owes its roots to bsd, iirc - at the very core of it, it has some form of sunos or an early

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:06 AM, TS Lura wrote: > The issue is that my module leader is refusing even to consider mentioning > OpenBSD, or any BSD in introductory Linux course where the focus is on > network services. DNS, iptables, Apache. I went through all of college without any classes mentio

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Joel Wiramu Pauling
> here's a quick little seminar on professors and academia. it is very > advanced and you may not understand it at first: > One important point you forgot to mention. The influence on IT syllabus of the various arcane politics involved with Campus IT infrastructure.

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
TS Lura wrote: I feel it's game over, at this point. But maybe you guys have some suggestion about good arguments that might persuade my professor? here's a quick little seminar on professors and academia. it is very advanced and you may not understand it at first: - professors have a th

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Chris Bennett
TS Lura wrote: Dear OpenBSD community, I'm a student for a MSc Advanced Networking degree. I have a little situation maybe you guys could give me some feedback on. The issue is that my module leader is refusing even to consider mentioning OpenBSD, or any BSD in introductory Linux course where

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
TS Lura writes: > My professor (the module leader) argue that almost no one is using BSD, and > those that does is probably 70+ and so it will soon die off, in a humours > tone. In more serious tone, lack of applications. I suppose you could get that impression if your news from the outside worl

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread Tomas Bodzar
People which like S/M (iptables) are able to follow only one argument - punch them. It's something which makes them happy :-D Now something more seriously. I think that it will be possible to write about iptables and provide (eg. as comment) "how-to" for OpenBSD in same time to show how easy can t

Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-13 Thread TS Lura
Dear OpenBSD community, I'm a student for a MSc Advanced Networking degree. I have a little situation maybe you guys could give me some feedback on. The issue is that my module leader is refusing even to consider mentioning OpenBSD, or any BSD in introductory Linux course where the focus is on n