On 07/03/15 11:59, worik wrote:
On 06/03/15 22:29, Raf Czlonka wrote:
By the way, is there a list a common risk-prone idioms ?
+1
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22common+risk-prone+idioms%22t=canonical
common risk-prone idioms appears only here.
Interesting concept, and would be
On 06/03/15 22:29, Raf Czlonka wrote:
By the way, is there a list a common risk-prone idioms ?
+1
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22common+risk-prone+idioms%22t=canonical
common risk-prone idioms appears only here.
Interesting concept, and would be illuminating to expand on
W
--
Why is the
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:03:36PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
Never know. OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy.
This made me chuckle out loud :)
Well, it makes me laugh out loud too.
Hi Thomas,
Thomas Schmidt wrote on Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 03:30:56PM +0100:
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:03:36PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
somebody wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Never know. OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy.
This made me
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 09:14:07AM GMT, ludovic coues wrote:
I believe Theo already told what's wrong with SQLite. His words were
The code uses risk-prone idioms. if I'm not mistaken.
He had, indeed, in a reply to Marc's email - I was replying to his
earlier email so hadn't seen that one yet.
2015-03-06 9:58 GMT+01:00 Raf Czlonka rczlo...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 02:13:59AM GMT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:24:47PM GMT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 10:15:30AM GMT, Marc Espie wrote:
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:20:23PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote:
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 02:13:59AM GMT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:24:47PM GMT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:20:23PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote:
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the sqlite3(1) library and
On 03/05/2015 02:13 PM, Raf Czlonka wrote:
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:24:47PM GMT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for
That being said:
It seems to me that the quoted text in your message suggests to me that
Ingo was asking for specifics about the quality of sqlite. That seems
like a reasonable request to me.
Discussing something does not change it.
A review of libsqlite source code will demonstrate that it
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 06:29:13PM GMT, Jason Adams wrote:
Agreed, asking someone to prove a negative (no possible bugs) is an
That's *positive*, isn't it?
impossibly high standard to expect of someone, and probably NOT one
that Theo would want to
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 11:01:50PM GMT, worik wrote:
On 07/03/15 11:59, worik wrote:
On 06/03/15 22:29, Raf Czlonka wrote:
By the way, is there a list a common risk-prone idioms ?
+1
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22common+risk-prone+idioms%22t=canonical
common risk-prone idioms
So it looks like that, till some months ago, everybody here was on the
wrong OS and risking their lives, as lynx was in base!
Such hyperbole! Such drama!
Impressive.
If you don't like our software, there are other options out there for
you to use. In the end, it is our software, and we get to
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the sqlite3(1) library and file(1).
can you please elaborate on what's rotten in sqlite?
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 06:52:20PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 06:11:31PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the
Paolo Aglialoro wrote:
So it looks like that, till some months ago, everybody here was on the
wrong OS and risking their lives, as lynx was in base! But I have never
It's not like this wasn't discussed previously. At length.
http://marc.info/?t=14050482952r=1w=2
On 05-03-2015 13:20, Paolo Aglialoro wrote:
I perfectly agree with you, both on fun and curiosity.
Nevertheless, not all the times we have got time enough to have fun
netcatting servers. More than often u just have to go straight to the
point.
But before you can get to the point, someone
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the sqlite3(1) library and file(1).
can you please elaborate on what's rotten in sqlite?
Jan,
It's not like this wasn't discussed previously. At length.
http://marc.info/?t=14050482952r=1w=2
Wow! And I thought the whole fun is on misc@ only. It looks like some
folks are ready to quit using and OS because of some software location
(base or packages).
The irony is lynx is also an
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:24:47PM GMT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the sqlite3(1) library and
Dear Theo,
I respect you as a person and I respect your work.
This said, I can also tell you that, after a few years reading misc@, there
is still one thing that I do not understand about your colourful answers
to several mails.
Not all the people who run obsd can, for various personal reasons
It's not like this wasn't discussed previously. At length.
http://marc.info/?t=14050482952r=1w=2
Wow! And I thought the whole fun is on misc@ only. It looks like some
folks are ready to quit using and OS because of some software location
(base or packages).
The irony is lynx is also an
Dear Theo,
I respect you as a person and I respect your work.
This said, I can also tell you that, after a few years reading misc@, there
is still one thing that I do not understand about your colourful answers
to several mails.
Not all the people who run obsd can, for various personal reasons
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Paolo Aglialoro paol...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Theo,
I respect you as a person and I respect your work.
This said, I can also tell you that, after a few years reading misc@,
there
is still one thing that I do not understand about your colourful answers
to
Il 05/mar/2015 14:34 Giancarlo Razzolini grazzol...@gmail.com ha
scritto:
But it's so fun man! If people looked under the hood more often, we
wouldn't had the bug nightmare that was these past years. Heartbleed,
ghost, shellshock, etc.
I perfectly agree with you, both on fun and curiosity.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ingo Schwarze schwa...@usta.de wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Aglialoro wrote on Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 05:20:51PM +0100:
So it looks like that, till some months ago, everybody here was
on the wrong OS and risking their lives, as lynx was in base!
That's a fallacy
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 06:11:31PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the sqlite3(1) library and file(1).
re: sqlite, the code doesn't follow our
On 2015-03-04, Paolo Aglialoro paol...@gmail.com wrote:
And, just for the records, I bet that 99% of use of lynx is just sysadmin
stuff on CLI systems
And probably a lot of that is quickly checking something that you're
only doing directly on the machine for convenience. Something that you
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Aglialoro wrote on Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 05:20:51PM +0100:
So it looks like that, till some months ago, everybody here was
on the wrong OS and risking their lives, as lynx was in base!
That's a fallacy so common that it's worth calling out.
An operating system is not a
And, just for the records, I bet that 99% of use of lynx is just sysadmin
stuff on CLI systems
The reason I install lynx from ports is simpy because it opens the
packages directory in seconds rather than 10s of seconds compared to
even xombrero which is quicker that firefox or chrome.
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 06:52:20PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 06:11:31PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the sqlite3(1) library
$ pdftohtml -stdout -i manual.pdf | lynx -stdin
I do that all the time. ;-)
I see no problem with it being removed from base though. Its just a pkg_add
away.
On 04-03-2015 20:30, Paolo Aglialoro wrote:
Using netcat or ftp to browse the web/intranet/localhost in the 3rd
millennium is like eating a steak with a spoon.
But it's so fun man! If people looked under the hood more often, we
wouldn't had the bug nightmare that was these past years.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015, at 08:24 PM, Paolo Aglialoro wrote:
Dear Theo,
I respect you as a person and I respect your work.
This said, I can also tell you that, after a few years reading misc@,
there
is still one thing that I do not understand about your colourful
answers
to several mails.
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:24:47PM GMT, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Ingo,
On Mar 05 18:11:31, schwa...@usta.de wrote:
By the way, lynx(1) removal doesn't really hurt that much.
Rotten code that will hurt more when it will finally be deleted
includes, for example, the sqlite3(1) library and
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
Never know. OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy.
This made me chuckle out loud :)
--
http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
This officer's men seem to
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
Never know. OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy.
This made me chuckle out loud :)
Well, it makes me laugh out loud too.
We are succesfully making good software, using a scheme called
Peter Hessler phess...@theapt.org writes:
1) lynx has some amazingly insecure code
2) the installer installs a functional pkg.conf if you installed from
the network.
3) nethack is not in base
--
Manuel Giraud
1) lynx has some amazingly insecure code
2) the installer installs a functional pkg.conf if you installed from
the network.
On 2015 Mar 04 (Wed) at 10:11:17 -0500 (-0500), Bob Eby wrote:
:Lynx is gone. Wow just wow, I'm stupefied by just how much you guys have
:removed from base.
:
:The least
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:49:06PM +0100, Manuel Giraud wrote:
Peter Hessler phess...@theapt.org writes:
1) lynx has some amazingly insecure code
2) the installer installs a functional pkg.conf if you installed from
the network.
3) nethack is not in base
At least parts of nethack is
Its not in my pay grade to offer a technical opinion on Lynx removal!
But ,,WHAT r u folks using instead, considering??
thanks OpenBSD
On 04-03-2015 15:48, Jeff St. George wrote:
Its not in my pay grade to offer a technical opinion on Lynx removal!
But ,,WHAT r u folks using instead, considering??
Well, for the task the OP mentioned, finding a mirror for pkg_add, you
could do plenty of things to accomplish that.
On 2015-03-04, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
curling the mirrors page is another.
This was my first thought. I don't think this is out of anyone's league if they
are already choosing to install OpenBSD.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, L.R. D.S. arrowscr...@mail.com wrote:
1) lynx has some amazingly insecure code
So, remove Xombrero from base too, he segfault everytime
and is much more insecure due to ECMAscript engine of WebKit.
curl
Please guys, a browser is different from a http/ftp
L.R. D.S. wrote:
So, remove Xombrero from base too, he segfault everytime
Done!
1) lynx has some amazingly insecure code
So, remove Xombrero from base too, he segfault everytime
and is much more insecure due to ECMAscript engine of WebKit.
curl
Please guys, a browser is different from a http/ftp downloader. A
browser have HTML parser, and funcionality's for you... ahm...
-Original Message-
From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Eby
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:11 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: lynx is gone?
Lynx is gone. Wow just wow, I'm stupefied by just how much you guys have
removed from base
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Jeff St. George f...@speednet.com wrote:
Its not in my pay grade to offer a technical opinion on Lynx removal!
But ,,WHAT r u folks using instead, considering??
typically when I am setting up a server I have a laptop with me. the
laptop will either
So, remove Xombrero from base too, he segfault everytime
Done!
Hey, wait! The plan was to improve browsers, wasn't it?
That's not the same thing as deleting them, you know!
Then again, if we set the firefox to keep the tedu (err... or
was it the other way round...?) we need not be surpised
This sounds like:
As with a knife one could cut throats, let's start eating only with the
fork. Oh, btw, but also the fork could poke, so let's use just the spoon.
Using netcat or ftp to browse the web/intranet/localhost in the 3rd
millennium is like eating a steak with a spoon.
It's the same
Lynx is gone. Wow just wow, I'm stupefied by just how much you guys have
removed from base.
The least you could do is put something on afterboot useful to getting a
web browser up and running. Note: it's usually helpful to have a
web-browser to do things like oh, I don't know, find a suitable
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