Le lundi, 28 juil 2003, à 21:27 Europe/Paris, Jean-Michel Hiver a écrit
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Also, with TT you have to use the filter 'html' to XML encode your
variables. Petal does it by default, and you need to use the TALES
'structure' keyword to NOT encode.
You don't *have* to use the 'html' filter in TT. I
XML syntax is crufty at best. It requires you to be strict and tediously
correct with every character.
So what. It's not like you can afford to forget that many curly braces
or semicolons (well, except those at the end of a block) with Perl. That
doesn't make it useless does it?
You have to
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Andy Wardley wrote:
Jean-Michel Hiver wrote:
Because Petal templates have to be well-formed XML,
XML syntax is crufty at best.
There's a lot in XML that is needless, but like perl still has a dump()
function, we just say don't use that then. At it's core, XML is a very
Matt Sergeant wrote:
At it's core, XML is a very elegant syntax for defining a rich dataset
of nodes
It's a syntax for defining a dataset of nodes that all conform to XML's
ideas about what a dataset of nodes looks like. I'm not convinced about
rich or elegant.
:-)
and you find
Jean-Michel Hiver wrote:
something like:
div dir=!--VAR language_dir --
!--VAR some_content--
/div
Which is completely impossible to validate and IMHO very hard to read.
Agreed. The following is easier to read, IMHO, and is also valid XML markup.
div dir=[% language_dir %]
[%
If you like a more straightforward approach, TT also lets you write:
div dir=$language_dir
$some_content
/div
See, I knew there would be something that we would agree on! :-)
:)
But at the risk of breaking compatibility with some validators / XML
tools / etc.
It
I suggest y'all check out Tapestry
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
to see a really nice happy medium. It uses a templating language
similar to TAL but much more flexible (and useful, in my mind) than
rigid XML. All its templates can be used in things like Dreamweaver
and GoLive with
Hi, All
May be I'm a bit late here... But is there any sence in artifical XML
templating languages since there is XSLT ? Just wonder whether there are
cons other than long learning curve and performance issues ?
Alex Gidrevich
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Aleksandr Guidrevitch wrote:
May be I'm a bit late here... But is there any sence in artifical XML
templating languages since there is XSLT ? Just wonder whether there are
cons other than long learning curve and performance issues ?
Well, in the case of just TAL/Petal,
I've been considering using a template system for an app that I'm
working, but decided against it as the designers who would be putting
the actual pages together (look n feel) use Adobe GoLive which does
'bad things' to non-html stuff (at least in my experience).
I know everybody's defending
I know everybody's defending their fave templating system... I guess I
can't resist: I have to jump in and defend my baby :)
So why is Petal better than anything else?
Oops, I got a bit carried away...
As a side note, Petal is probably not better than anything else, but
different. If you're
- Original Message -
From: Jean-Michel Hiver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:46 PM
First of all, it is an implementation of TAL. TAL is a very clever open
specification for WYSIWYG-friendly templates written by the Zope people.
Do you have
Do you have a URL for further reading on TAL?
I found one:
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/TAL
Regards,
Kitch
First of all, it is an implementation of TAL. TAL is a very clever open
specification for WYSIWYG-friendly templates written by the Zope people.
Do you have a URL for further reading on TAL?
Yep.
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/TAL
Petal has an active community and a
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Patrick Galbraith wrote:
Anyone on this list use AxKit? I'm curious how it pans out.
I like the idea of XSLT/XML, though I find myself trying to read between
the lines of hype vs. something that's actually very useful. I don't know,
so I don't have any opinions. I do
Hi Matt,
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Matt Sergeant wrote:
The main reason I like AxKit is it prevents me from screwing up [snip]
I just write straight perl code. I barely notice that I'm using XML.
Can you give us in a couple of sentences your take on the state of XML
in general and AxKit in
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Subject:Re: templating system opinions (axkit?)
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Patrick Galbraith wrote:
Anyone on this list use AxKit? I'm curious how it pans out.
I like the idea of XSLT/XML, though I find myself trying to read between
the lines of hype vs. something that's
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Hauck, William B. wrote:
What i've done is just use completely external html files with
html-compliant comments indicating the data field. (example !--
APPNAME_USER_FIRST_NAME --). My application just reads in the html
on startup and does a series of substition
Change that to:
!-- TMPL_VAR APPNAME_USER_FIRST_NAME --
You mean TMPL_VAR APPNAME_USER_FIRST_NAME don't you? Or did I miss the
secret stealth hide-your-tags-in-html-comments feature? :-)
-Fran
What you have created for your own use is almost exactly what HTML::Template does. We have used it for a year without any major problems between us and the HTML designer. Its fast and supports loops and if statements. Its probably worth your while to check it out.
As far as XSLT goes, we're
To: Patrick Galbraith
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: templating system opinions (axkit?)
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Patrick Galbraith wrote:
Anyone on this list use AxKit? I'm curious how it pans out.
I like the idea of XSLT/XML, though I find myself trying to read between
the lines
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Change that to:
!-- TMPL_VAR APPNAME_USER_FIRST_NAME --
You mean TMPL_VAR APPNAME_USER_FIRST_NAME don't you? Or did I miss the
secret stealth hide-your-tags-in-html-comments feature? :-)
You missed it:
You missed it:
http://search.cpan.org/author/SAMTREGAR/HTML-Template-2.6/Temp
late.pm#NOTES
Ah. When the section begins If you're a fanatic about valid HTML it
becomes more clear why I missed that. :-)
Thanks,
Fran
Hi Jesse,
-Original Message-
From: Jesse Erlbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:50 PM
To: 'Patrick Galbraith'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: templating system opinions (axkit?)
Hi Patrick --
I like the idea of XSLT/XML, though I find myself trying
Anyone on this list use AxKit? I'm curious how it pans out.
I like the idea of XSLT/XML, though I find myself trying to read between
the lines of hype vs. something that's actually very useful. I don't know,
so I don't have any opinions. I do know I'd like to use XSLT/XML so as to
have a
Hi Patrick --
I like the idea of XSLT/XML, though I find myself trying to
read between
the lines of hype vs. something that's actually very useful.
I don't know,
so I don't have any opinions. I do know I'd like to use
XSLT/XML so as to
have a project to use it for, hence learn it.
I recently found one good use for not bashing XSLT right away. We were using JUnit
and JUnitReport to do unit testing and reporting for our java using the Ant build
tool. JUnit runs tests and can generate the output to xml. JUnitReport uses xslt to
transform them to websites.
I simply
Jesse Erlbaum wrote:
Hi Patrick --
I like the idea of XSLT/XML, though I find myself trying to
read between
the lines of hype vs. something that's actually very useful.
I don't know,
so I don't have any opinions. I do know I'd like to use
XSLT/XML so as to
have a project to use it for,
Anyone on this list use AxKit? I'm curious how it pans out.
I used it for http://www.nikki-site.com (sorry, Japanese-only site).
This site uses exactly 4 pure-mod_perl handlers, and everything else
eventually goes through AxKit (excuse the site design, as far as
development goes that is a
Jesse Erlbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's mostly hype in my experience. And not even very useful hype, like
Java or PHP, which are actually real things which people might want to
use.
XSLT seems to be XML geeks' answer to CSS+templating. As if CSS wasn't
very successful, as if the world
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 12:14, Patrick Galbraith wrote:
I get so tired of Java types talking about how perl is just a scripting
language.. it's not an application platform/server like
Dynamo/WebSpere/insert $$$ java non-OS app here. I even tried to crack
a particular Orielly java book and was
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