Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-29 Thread Patricia Kimathi
How I miss teachable moments and principals who understood them. I still do teachable moments but no one but the children understand why. Sad Pat K "to be nobody but yourself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you like everybody else -- means to fight the hardest

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-28 Thread Beverlee Paul
Now I get it! That makes the sense I couldn't figure out before. On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Mary Manges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bev, > We are partially departmentalized in our fifth grade (we are part of a > middle school this year). I teach 2 blocks of language arts and my > own hom

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-28 Thread Mary Manges
Bev, We are partially departmentalized in our fifth grade (we are part of a middle school this year). I teach 2 blocks of language arts and my own homeroom for social studies and science. Since we switch classes, I have to be on the same time schedule as my colleagues, which is why the pr

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread suzie herb
ing to find the best way for and with their kids, and I thank you all for listening if you got to the bottom of this rampage. Yes, last week at school was a tough one. --- On Sun, 28/9/08, Beverlee Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Beverlee Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread CNJPALMER
So, Bev, It seems I have yet to find something we disagree on! :-) LOL Lesson study was such an Ah hah to me last year because I have always believed, as you do, of the interconnectedness of learning...that real learning requires the brain to make connections and see patterns. My problem

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread Beverlee Paul
I would agree with most of what you said as well. I do think that scattered teaching won't get us anywhere in depth and that we need to draw out the depth of thinking in a concentrated manner. And an analogy appears to me for what you're talking about. I know so little about cameras that I'm not

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread sessax1
I really don't mind that walk throughs that our principals are doing becasue it is making me a better teacher. Anyone can perfom for a formal evaluatiion but now teachers have to be on their toes at all times. I have been taking classes on assessing students for learning, not of learning. The

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread sessax1
I totally agree with what you are saying!! We aren't teaching children to learn but how to take tests. I long for the day when I can get back to those teachable moments and the have the ability to roll lwith it! Lisa Renee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the good old days, long before N

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread CNJPALMER
OK, Bev... I am going to be a devil's advocate hereI find that I rarely disagree with you, but I think this might be one of those rare instances. :-) One of the biggest ah-hahs that came through my five rounds of lesson study last year was that I tried to do too much in my lessons. I le

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread Renee
On Sep 27, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Beverlee Paul wrote: > Our school is just starting 4-minute walkthroughs (amusingly dubbed > drive-bys by many on this list) and here is one of the things we heard > yesterday at our "debriefing." > > Yes, you must have your objective up on the board or somewhere and

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-27 Thread Beverlee Paul
What do you mean when you say that your principal is trying to give you another 15 minutes. Does the principal plan your schedule? I'm afraid there's a whole world out there that amazes me. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Mary Manges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My principal is > also trying

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread Beverlee Paul
Our school is just starting 4-minute walkthroughs (amusingly dubbed drive-bys by many on this list) and here is one of the things we heard yesterday at our "debriefing." Yes, you must have your objective up on the board or somewhere and your children should know why they're learning such-and-such.

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length and serendipity

2008-09-27 Thread Renee
In the good old days, long before NCLB and when teachers were treated more like people who actually knew what they were doing, we used to have what were called "teachable moments." When my son, (now age 32) was in third grade, he had a fantastic teacher who lived well outside the box. I was hel

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-27 Thread jan sanders
e lit. -Robert Shaffer - Original Message - From: Mary Manges<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group<mailto:mosaic@literacyworkshop.org> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: [MOSAIC] Language arts bl

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-27 Thread Andrea Jenkins
I can relate with how difficult it is to keep it short. What I tell teachers (myself included) is that any asides you're tempted to throw into your lesson, either use them as a mid-lesson teaching point or save for another lesson entirely. An example is "And writers remember that good writers als

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-27 Thread Waingort Jimenez, Elisa
I think that your comment below is an example of very powerful teaching. For one thing, and there are many others, it lets kids know that learning is about weaving connected ideas over time. And, it promotes that sustaining thinking on a particular idea is critical to learning something well.

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-27 Thread Mary Manges
I agree with all of you and I appreciate the advice. I'm sure that part of my trouble is the fact that I'm new to STW lessons this year. I'm going to focus this week on being as brief as possible without sacrificing anything. I agree, that the less I say, the more they will remember. I'

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-26 Thread Carol Carlson
Great advice. The other thing I try to do is use the reading text to demonstrate something that is in my mini lesson. That way students are seeing the text from two different perspectives--first as a reader, then as a writer. Carol On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-26 Thread elisa kifer
I agree with Camille, keep your mini lesson very explicit, and short. I do realize it is hard to get the read aloud in, do the vocab, then teach the lesson, have time for them to practice with you, then they practice independently, but if you keep the teaching part short, chances are they'll remem

Re: [MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-25 Thread jefjarjac
Hi Mary, TIme is time and when you don't have much you need to make the most of it. Mini lessons should be just that - mini. If a mini lesson lasts more than 5-7 minutes you've probably gone too far. Make the most of your mini lesson by teaching a small piece and instead f taking questions or

[MOSAIC] Language arts block length

2008-09-25 Thread Mary Manges
Hi everyone, I'm wondering how long most of you have each day for teaching language arts? I teach fifth grade and have about 90 minutes to teach reading and writing. I've basically divided it into two 45 minute blocks. This is the first year that I am following STW and Comprehension Tool