[MP3 ENCODER] Anything wrong with --vbr-new ?

2000-07-11 Thread David
Anything wrong with --vbr-new ? (buggy?) Since the default VBR mode seems to be --vbr-old, one wonders... Is there something wrong with the "new" mode, i've noticed it's a lot faster ... (version 3.85) -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )

RE: Re[2]: [MP3 ENCODER] new VBR code

2000-07-11 Thread Steve Schow
As noted in the other post, I, and many with me have very little to complain about in with the =3.85 vbr_rh mode... Cannot find any glitches since 3.83, encoded a few hundreth albums and counting... So wait, I'm not quite understanding you. Are you saying I should stick with 3.83, or are

[MP3 ENCODER] short block detection

2000-07-11 Thread Robert Hegemann
I'm a bit worried about LAME's short block detection. Consider the following sequence of short block energies with a big surge between b3 and b4: b1 b2 b3b4b5b6 100100100200020002000 If the frame boundaries are like f1f2 [b1,b2,b3][b4,b5,b6] then LAME will not

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] -h (High quality causing ringing artifacts ?) ?

2000-07-11 Thread Zia Mazhar
Hi David, Actually, this is true for if you use the -k switch at low bitrates. It should not be used at 128 kbit/s or lower. The real option for high quality, -h, is safe to use at all bitrates. - Zia Quality (default value Normal): With the LAME encoder, you can specify the output

[MP3 ENCODER] Lame development matures ...

2000-07-11 Thread Roel VdB
Hello, I was just listening to that 'obvious artifact-creator' that makes vbr_mt do strange things. Sad thing is that I cannot really easily detect it, on my stereo that is. I'm just guessing more people will find it hard to detect. It is however, very clearly present when I listen with my

Re[4]: [MP3 ENCODER] new VBR code

2000-07-11 Thread Roel VdB
Hello Steve, Monday, July 10, 2000, 11:27:36 PM, you wrote: As noted in the other post, I, and many with me have very little to complain about in with the =3.85 vbr_rh mode... Cannot find any glitches since 3.83, encoded a few hundreth albums and counting... SS So wait, I'm not quite

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] Lame development matures ...

2000-07-11 Thread Monty
At the risk of sounding even more arrogant, I'd like to advise everyone here, putting hours in the development of LAME, if they have not already have done so, to _invest in some decent pair of headphones_. I'll echo what Roel says here. He's not being arrogant, quality headphones are a

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] new VBR code

2000-07-11 Thread Pierre Hugonnet
Roel VdB wrote: As noted in the other post, I, and many with me have very little to complain about in with the =3.85 vbr_rh mode... Cannot find any glitches since 3.83, encoded a few hundreth albums and counting... ... VBR 256kbit/s average VS 256kbit/s cbr is another story. The

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] Lame development matures ...

2000-07-11 Thread Greg Maxwell
I really have to second this. A pair of $2000 floor standing speakers can't compete with the flatness of a good pair of headphones (due to room modes if nothing else). After spending about $100(us) on a pair of Grado SR80s, my 'tolerable' collection of 30+gigs of 192Kbit/sec bladeenc encoded

[MP3 ENCODER] Difference between 8 and 16 bit quality

2000-07-11 Thread Twinkles
44.1kHz for 128 kbit/sec mp3s from soundcard? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the real difference between 8 and 16 bit audio at the same sampling frequency? 44100 x 2 x 8 44100 x 2 x 16 Doesn't the number of bits indicate the voltage (volume level)? If so, on el-cheapo cards like my

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] new VBR code

2000-07-11 Thread Pierre Hugonnet
Roel VdB wrote: On my HQ headphones I pick out many 192 mp3's. There are _a LOT_ more instances where 192 isn't enough and the -V1 picks out a good higher bitrate frame than an instance where VBR screws up. (vbr_mt that is) A few months ago a 192 was somewhat considered perfect for me,

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] Difference between 8 and 16 bit quality

2000-07-11 Thread Greg Maxwell
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Twinkles wrote: 44.1kHz for 128 kbit/sec mp3s from soundcard? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the real difference between 8 and 16 bit audio at the same sampling frequency? 44100 x 2 x 8 44100 x 2 x 16 Doesn't the number of bits indicate the voltage

RE: [MP3 ENCODER] Lame development matures ...

2000-07-11 Thread Mathew Hendry
From: Monty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I myself bought a good pair of Sennheiser HD-490 headphones ($45, belgium) and a sb128 soundcard ($25, nice linear play and high S/N ratio(linux compatible, ensoniq)). Another set of very good, reasonably priced headphones are the Grado Labs

[MP3 ENCODER] The -b128 bug in 386 again, now with example

2000-07-11 Thread Roel VdB
Hello, I know I keep going on about this one, but I am reasonably convinced something is wrong beside that "analog silence". 386 keeps giving me _consistently_ frames below 128k with "-b128" specified. I've been told this has to do with analog silence, but there is simply _no silence_ in next

RE: [MP3 ENCODER] Difference between 8 and 16 bit quality

2000-07-11 Thread Alex Broadhead
Howdy Twinkles, What is the real difference between 8 and 16 bit audio at the same sampling frequency? According to the standard approximations of the statistical formulation (which allows ~6dB/bit) - about 48 dB of SNR... If this means nothing to you, then consider that even basic

RE: [MP3 ENCODER] Lame development matures ...

2000-07-11 Thread Alex Broadhead
Howdy, I'll third (or fourth or whatever) this as well, though with a few caveats... I really have to second this. A pair of $2000 floor standing speakers can't compete with the flatness of a good pair of headphones (due to room modes if nothing else). Well, yes and no. I rely strongly

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] The -b128 bug in 386 again, now with example

2000-07-11 Thread Robert Hegemann
OK, once again, there is no -b128 bug!! A typical stereo mp3 frame consists of two granules and 2 channels. So you have to encode: granule1 left-channel granule1 right-channel granule2 left-channel granule2 right-channel That makes 4 possibilities to detect

[MP3 ENCODER] A few questions about LAME (such as -q1)

2000-07-11 Thread David
What is this -q1 parameter i've seen here on the list ? is it for VBR,ABR, or CBR ? is there -qx or only q1, tell me about it are there any other undocumented parameters ? if so, what do they do ? And like i mentioned in another post, what's up with --vbr-old and --vbr-new ? since --vbr-old is

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] Lame development matures ...

2000-07-11 Thread David Bridson
There's not a part of this I don't disagree with. Even on a very decent Hi-Fi and stereo speakers, I find it hard to find many of these artifacts people keep talking about. On a £20 pair of headphones, almost everything sounds marvellous, though any encoding artifacts can be heard well. Another

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] The -b128 bug in 386 again, now with example

2000-07-11 Thread David
I'de like to get a version with MP3x included, can some code wiz compile such a version ? i tried the 3.70 GTK version with the dll's but it never worked, it just crashed.. :( - Original Message - From: "Robert Hegemann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 11,

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] The -b128 bug in 386 again, now with example

2000-07-11 Thread Robert Hegemann
David schrieb am Die, 11 Jul 2000: I'de like to get a version with MP3x included, can some code wiz compile such a version ? i tried the 3.70 GTK version with the dll's but it never worked, it just crashed.. :( If you would have looked at LAME's homepage you would have found the following

Re[2]: [MP3 ENCODER] The -b128 bug in 386 again, now with example

2000-07-11 Thread Roel VdB
Hello Robert, Tuesday, July 11, 2000, 4:44:49 PM, you wrote: RH OK, once again, there is no -b128 bug!! My apologies. i don't/didn't understand. I'll read everything over again and try to comprehend why 3.85 and below functioned as I expected and 3.86 doesn't. thanks and sorry for the

[MP3 ENCODER] Headphones and Soundcards

2000-07-11 Thread Zia Mazhar
Good headphones and a good soundcard are of course, very important. I would have posted this kind of a message if Roel didn't! For headphones, you may try the Grado SR60s or 80s. They sound very good, but they are a bit bulky. Koss Porta Pro is pretty good too. They are cheaper, and are very

[MP3 ENCODER] Full Huffman Search

2000-07-11 Thread Chris Haynes
We know that LAME now has roughly the same quality of MP3Enc 3.1. But, as far as I am concerned, full huffman search hasn't been implemented on LAME yet. I've noticed LAME 3.8x produces better quality than 3.70, and I presume the main reason is the more efficient huffman coding of Takehiro.

[MP3 ENCODER] ABR and CBR

2000-07-11 Thread Chris Haynes
I've got another question, and I thought it'd be better to start a new thread with it. There are some controversy with the quality and bugs of LAME VBR mode. Would this affect the ABR mode, too? Which is safer to use (though ABR is called the "safe VBR mode!): 192 CBR or 192 ABR? Can I _always_

RE: [MP3 ENCODER] Difference between 8 and 16 bit quality

2000-07-11 Thread Ross Levis
Title: RE: [MP3 ENCODER] Difference between 8 and 16 bit quality I thought the number of bits refers to the number of variations in volume from silence to maximum. 16-bit providing 65536 steps and 8-bit providing only 256. I would think it would be difficult to hear the volume change on an

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] A few questions about LAME (such as -q1)

2000-07-11 Thread Roel VdB
Hello David, Tuesday, July 11, 2000, 6:18:06 PM, you wrote: D What is this -q1 parameter i've seen here on the list ? D is it for VBR,ABR, or CBR ? D is there -qx or only q1, tell me about it -q1 should be an optimalisation by Takehiro Tominaga running a more extensive search to find smallest

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] Full Huffman Search

2000-07-11 Thread Roel VdB
Hello Chris, Tuesday, July 11, 2000, 11:37:35 PM, you wrote: CH We know that LAME now has roughly the same quality of MP3Enc 3.1. But, CH as far as I am concerned, full huffman search hasn't been implemented CH on LAME yet. I've noticed LAME 3.8x produces better quality than 3.70, CH and I