David -
I answered this yesterday. It is NOT in the constitution, but State Law, MSA
297A.99.
Dann Dobson
No Stadium Tax Coalition
Summit Hill - Saint Paul
David A. Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Getting behind a public ownership proposal is a way to
This right to vote on local sales tax is less than 20 years old and
was put in place by state legislators for political reasons and can be
taken away by state legislators for political reasons. What is the
legal, constitional, or moral reason the approval mechanism for a local
sales tax be
This has the ring of truth to it. Another Bush-Pawlenty type trick to make
the poor pay most of the taxes, and give it to the rich. Pretty much the
way it was everywhere before the French and American Revolutions. We
didn't start with a formal aristocracy, but they're working on one now.
--David
Dean C. scribed in part:
Also if enough people disagree with any tax increase you do have a say -
vote out those who approved the tax increase and vote into office candidates
who promise to repeal the tax.
GH here:
But voting the politicians out after the fact.isn't that closing the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Getting behind a public ownership proposal is a way to oppose the deal
without really opposing the most critical part of the deal, which is to strip away
our right to vote on proposals to hike local sales taxes.
Where exactly is this right enshrined in our state or
On 12/2/05 4:36 PM, Jeremy Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One question that I have for both the pro- and anti-stadium crowd is why we
can't hang the public obligation for a new stadium on ticket prices? The
Twins average about 1.9 million fans a year. Maybe 2 million with a new
ball park.
I know what would assuage my pessimism about this bill's chances with Major
League Baseball - a letter from Commissioner Bud Selig or some similar
representative of MLB ownership that stated that Rep. Kahn's proposal would
be viewed favorably, or better yet, that would guarantee passage by the
Mark Snyder wrote:
Because bond interest rates are determined in part by the risk associated
with a project. Taxpayer-backed bonds are lower risk than bonds backed by
ticket surcharges and so the interest rates are lower and the overall
project cost is lower.
With all do respect, the risk
First off, I have to state that I am against the use of public funding for
stadiums. The information below is simply to answer some questions on
finance and funding.
Jeremy Wieland wrote:
One question that I have for both the pro- and anti-stadium crowd is why
we
can't hang the public
Keeping the Twins here puts a large amount of money in the general fund, from
taxes paid by the players to surrounding establishments staying solvent. I
am a huge Twins fan and would gladly pay for a new stadium but I also realize
many people aren't. That being said, I do not have children in
Rep. Kahn is correct to pursue the ownership model she has proposed. The
stumbling block remains the stadium. First, Mr. Pohlad knows that the team
has more value with a stadium than without. By holding out for a new field
he could potentially double the money that Minnesota, or any buyer,
Amen, huzzah, and right on!
-David Shove
Roseville
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Gary Hoover wrote:
Jeremy W. scribes, in part:
One question that I have for both the pro- and anti-stadium crowd is why we
can't hang the public obligation for a new stadium on ticket prices? The
Twins average about
Mark Snyder wrote:
I believe any referendum taking place would need to be for all of Hennepin
county, correct?
Are there any county-wide elections scheduled for Hennepin in 2005? I don't
believe so and if not, then the earliest a county-wide referendum could take
place is 2006, unless an
I believe any referendum taking place would need to be for all of Hennepin
county, correct?
Are there any county-wide elections scheduled for Hennepin in 2005? I don't
believe so and if not, then the earliest a county-wide referendum could take
place is 2006, unless an election were held simply
From today's PiPress today:
Minneapolis' Warehouse District could soon be home to the most
expensive open-air baseball park yet.
The Twins' plan exceeds price tags for baseball stadiums built in the
past 15 years by tens of millions of dollars, even factoring for
inflation, economists say. The
Lyndale
- Original Message -
From: David Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mpls@mnforum.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Mpls] Twins Stadium: top price, 'average' ballpark
From today's PiPress today:
Minneapolis' Warehouse District could soon be home to the most
expensive
The story averages ballparks built since 1990 to get the $345 million
average, but doesn't specifically mention the last two roofless parks:
San Diego's PETCO Field and Philadelphia's Citizens Bank Park.
Both parks opened in 2004; PETCO cost $449 million and Citizens Bank
cost $458 million.
One addition to the Brauer post. PETCO was built with 4% public funding.
Citizen's Bank was heavily subsidized. The Giants, who play in PETCO, are a
dominant National League team that spends every Fall in the playoffs. The
Phillies, who play in Citizen's, are also-rans, consistently losing
The braves play in a stadium that was the site of the track and field
events at the 96 olympics which was a brand new facility. I don't
think that was paid for with private money but maybe it was. Maybe
ted turner offered to have it built for the olympics if he got to
renovate it for
List manager wrote:
Interesting sign of the times, vis a vis transit, the Twins and/or the
stadium issue...
Indeed. I'm a strong believer that if the stadium plan goes through,
we ought to be able to convince Mr. Pohlad to campaign for public
transportation in Minnesota. After all, his stadium
On May 4, 2005, at 2:25 PM, David Greene wrote:
We ought to be talking about cutting a deal with the Twins: we'll
build the ballpark if you pitch in to get public transportation
the sufficient, reliable and stable budget it needs.
It's ultra-ironic, since Carl Pohlad played a role in buying and
We ought to be talking about cutting a deal with the Twins: we'll
build the ballpark if you pitch in to get public transportation
the sufficient, reliable and stable budget it needs.
David Greene
Carl cares nothing about our public transportation, roads or anything else
other than the fact he can
On Apr 25, 2005, at 12:16 PM, Steve Cross wrote:
I'm curious about two factoids regarding the new Twins stadium. Does
someone know:
(1) What is the current baseball seating capacity of the HHH Dome vs.
the proposed new stadium?
With the curtain up in the Dome, it seats 48,000. The new stadium
Here's your answer:
Rybak will have to wear Mickey Mouse ears during the first day of the World
Series, according to a broadcast report in the Twin Cities.
http://www.channel4000.com/msp/sports/stories/sports-172043220021015-081003.html
-amanda tempel (NE Park)
---message
When does R.T.
I have to call the Aneheim Mayor this morning to work that out but sadly you will get
advance notice.
-Original Message-
From: David Brauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:21 PM
To: 'Mpls list'
Subject: [Mpls] Twins lose...only silver lining...
When does
While I can understand Jim's point about the handicapped and housebound
constituents, that is still no reason to cave in on the Twins/Stadium issue.
If there were no Twins, these people would find something else to enjoy.
Their lives do not depend on the Twins, they are simply just one more
I see a fundamental problem with community ownership - as far as I
know, Baseball league rules do not allow a team to be owned by a
publically traded corp. Correct me if I am wrong, please.
What is St. Paul doing differently
that they can avoid an increase in property taxes again
I knew it wouldn't be long before we'd hear calls for a new stadium.
I don't mean to be insensitive, but if the twins go away, the old folks
can adapt to following the Saints. And frankly, a lot of their loyalty
began back in the days when the Twins salaries were on par with the
Saints.
In the Jim Graham plan the Twins would be bought but IMMEDIATELY turned
into a publicly offered stock for-profit corporation. This corporation
would hire the best management staff available to actually run the team.
Someone like McPhail would be a good choice. Stock holders get first shot at
ALL
Twins Quiz:
What do Bud Selig, Carl Pohlad and The Oakland A's all have in common?
Michael S Guest
Campaign Coordinator
Dakota Citizens for our Land and Water
651-287-0883
www.voteYESon1.org
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Speaking of the handicapped and the current or new Twins' stadium:
Something should be done about those who are handicapped and not in
wheelchairs. I have a friend who is 74, never misses a Twins game -- a HUGE
fan. Several times I have offered to take her to a Twins game and she has
always
Twins Quiz:
What do Bud Selig, Carl Pohlad and The Oakland A's all have in common?
Answer: They all tried to
eliminate the Twin this year! ;-)
Go Twins!!
Michael S Guest
Campaign Coordinator
Dakota Citizens for our Land and Water
651-287-0883
www.voteYESon1.org
Some may recall that the books on Forrest Gump
showed a loss despite grossing over $600 million in
box office receipts (see
http://www.guardian.co.uk/friday_review/story/0,3605,544319,00.html
for an example). Baseball and movies are different
businesses, but the Gump story is an anecdote worth
--
The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who, in times of
moral crisis, remain neutral --Dante
From: Dana Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:45:22 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], mpls [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mpls] Twins Stadium
Some may recall that the books
what is going to happen the minute we get too tired. N. Russell 12-4 - Original Message - From: Andy Driscoll Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:08 PM To: mpls Subject: Re: [Mpls] Twins Stadium Any decent business person knows what to do at tax time - find all thedeductions you can so
During last Thursday's hearing, Will Haddeland
(co-chair of the task force) asked Bell this same
question, and added an anecdote to lend interesting
comtext to it all. Haddeland quoted the following:
Anyone who quotes profits of a baseball club
is missing the point. Under generally
Dave Stack wrote:
...What would be the likely results if a large national
corporation arbitrarily deciding to shut down its
Minneapolis branch offices?
I am not a lawyer, but I'm sure it would depend on the specific language
of the contract (like it always does).
My understanding of the
In business, contracts can sometimes be completely
meaningless. If an entity goes under or doesn't exist,
there is nothing to sustain to operate or to pay rent. I
have never found court a good place to resolve business
differences. And it certainly isn't a good place to
determine public
Beeston was referring to timing issues only. He regrets the statement
that is very misleading and gives the erroneous impression that books
can be cooked at will.
Clark Griffith
7th Ward
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I wrote, then Greg Abbott writes:
Sec Taylor Stadium (the only one in America named after a
sportswriter)
I believe that Jack Murphy stadium in San Diego is also named after a
sportswriter.
It's been Qualcomm Stadium for the last few years. So I say Sec stands
alone (though I'd even
On Sun, 11 November 2001, Walt Cygan wrote:
Mark Snyder wrote: 'Assuming an annual attendance of 2 million fans...'
From http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/attend.shtml:
The average annual attendance for the Twins over the last 10 years was just a shade
under 1.5 million,...
I too
Message: 15
From: Walt Cygan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mpls] Twins ballpark funding proposal
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:22:18 -0600
Walt wrote:
From http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/attend.shtml:
The average annual attendance for the Twins over the last 10
on 11/10/01 7:50 AM, David Brauer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sec Taylor Stadium (the only one in America named after a
sportswriter)
I believe that Jack Murphy stadium in San Diego is also named after a
sportswriter.
My larger point is if you are for Triple-A ball, know you will have to
Vince Thomas writes:
Finally, I write to remind everyone of some baseball, and
Minneapolis history. As a
newcomer, I often heard older Minneapolis baseball fans state that the
glory days for
baseball in Minneapolis were the days in which the Minneapolis
Millers, a farm team for
the San
Wow!
Clark, you got people going a bit on this now!
I'm disappointed that some folks want to make this an US -vs- THEM
discussion. Most, if not all Twins supporters have tempered their
statements with admonitions that they are skeptical about subsidies for
a ball park. This doesn't change their
Clark asked for reasons why no Twins talk lately. I think people fall into 3
groups:
1. Don't care and never did.
2. Care and hate subsidy and don't need to say it again.
3. Care and love baseball but resigned that in this day and age - not to
mention this state and culture - a taxpayer-financed
I will again cast my vote for the Northern League/Parade Stadium site if the
Twins are evaporated, for these reasons.
1) It's already there.
2) The city owns it. Any investment required benefits our park board, our city,
us.
3) Great view of downtown, walking distance to many of the cities
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On Friday 09 November 2001 03:42 pm, Mark Wilde wrote:
i heard paul wellstone on the radio talking about
busting up there anti-competitive monopoly, and i hope
something comes of it.
Personally I hope the senator does something more worthwhile
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