Moving to RFV.
RFC discussion:
http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-264-Add-premiere-relationship-between-work-and-place-td4659317.html
RFV expiration 2013-11-09 22:00 (UTC)
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On 31.10.2013 19:18, Frederik Freso S. Olesen wrote:
[unknown] isn't wrong. It's a statement that we, well,
don't know. It is unknown.
Seems that everything is unknown. Meaning of [unknown] is also unknown
for random visitors. There's no quick way to tell if [unknown] on
relationship means
On 31.10.2013 8:58, Frederik Freso S. Olesen wrote:
If we only were to use [unknown] for stuff which is unknown to
*everyone*, we could not ever use it, as *someone* out there might know.
Nothing is certain. Still if printed 10-part music encyclopedia mentions
unknown location its usually
On 30.10.2013 10:38, Tom Crocker wrote:
I know it was me who +1ed this, but you don't seem to have discussed
anyone's concerns. I thought we were meant to try and achieve consensus?
There was 2 comments related to current wording. Feedback has been
basicly sounds wierd without any alternative
On 30.10.2013 12:22, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
only doubt is whether we'd also want an area version for when we know
date and country or city or if that's not common enough to bother :)
I'm extending this RFC to also include areas. I guess it's possible to
use same relationship without
On 21.10.2013 17:45, Alastair Porter wrote:
Would you also expect this relationship to be used if a band has (had) a
residency at a venue?
Band A played at Venue B every Monday from 1980 - 1992
This would be a good use for start/end dates, but I wonder if Primary
Concert Venue is the correct
On 30.10.2013 8:14, David Gasaway wrote:
2) There is an obvious use for the dates here, so why do the two date
attributes say There is no guideline yet for how the [begin|end] date
fields might be used.?
Like reosarevok already mentioned this is showen just because of the
template and it
On 30.10.2013 14:33, Tom Crocker wrote:
On 30 October 2013 11:35, ListMyCDs.com musicbra...@listmycds.com
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Yes, this relationship
could be used on similar cases like you described. Better name for this
relationship might be is resident
On 30.10.2013 23:19, Frederik Freso S. Olesen wrote:
A. Random Artist has this on her website:
I performed my favourite song, The Song That is My Favourite on the
first Saturday of March 1999 for the first time. It was obvious the
audience loved it as much as I did and do.
A date for the
Thanks to +1 moving to RFV.
RFC discussion:
http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-261-Add-primary-concert-venue-relationship-between-artist-and-place-td4658830.html
This RFV will pass on November 1
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Many Wikipedia pages about classical works (and often also imslp.org)
record information about first performances (data place) of work. I'm
proposing us to start storing this information with new work-place
relationship. Naturally usage of it isn't limited only to classical music.
Wiki:
I'm proposing us to have primary concert venue-relationship which
would be used between artists and places.
Artists often perform on the same venue frequently enough to call the
place primary concert venue. This is often based on some sort of
business-relationship. Especially symphony
On 4.5.2013 0:55, Alex Mauer wrote:
Thus I propose that these ARs be merged, and 'instrumentator' be dropped
entirely. If the instrument is specified, it should be merged into
'arranged {instrument} on', otherwise it should be merged into 'arranged'.
+1 for this RFC
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No vetos, this has passed now.
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RFV expiration: April 4 2013
Jira ticket: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-202
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On 6.3.2013 17:11, Rachel Dwight wrote:
If you'd like I can add vocal too.
That would be nice. For example, yesterday I added this
http://musicbrainz.org/release/6c757b73-f64b-4ae0-9aab-7e9179f825a5 and
know hundreds of other soundtrack releases having separate conductors
for orchestra and
(85 000 edits) and during this time
I haven't been having major problems with arrangements. I remember
couple of cases but I wouldn't add major limits because of a minor problem.
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composer, we can
just make an exception in those cases.
That is better than nothing. My project with Jean Sibelius has already
taken 9 months and I'm slowly getting closer to full catalog (including
all known recordings).
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On 27.2.2013 16:15, symphonick wrote:
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I can't add lyricist and translator names to recordings.
I can't link imslp scores and wikipedia urls to recordings.
If you feel that an AR is missing, why not make a RFC for a new AR?
I don't see
On 27.2.2013 14:07, symphonick wrote:
Can you try to dig up some real-world
examples?
Some Sibelius pieces (these aren't all in MB yet):
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A. Scaramouche, op. 71 (1913 for narrator and orchestra) (2 recordings?)
B. (partially based of A) Scaramouche, op. 71: Danse élégiaque (1914 for
On 27.2.2013 17:50, symphonick wrote:
Why wouldn't translator etc. at recording level suggest the same thing
(that the translation was made specifically for that recording)?
I think everything on recording level should be related to recordings.
Sometimes translation might be for specific
On 26.2.2013 16:45, symphonick wrote:
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/CSG_Works
or an arrangement to be valid as a unique work in MusicBrainz, it
must be possible for other performers to record new versions. There
must be at least two different recordings available
This rule
On 25.2.2013 18:47, Alex Mauer wrote:
On 02/24/2013 04:30 AM, ListMyCDs.com wrote:
Instead of soundtrack I might name this type score. Soundtrack is a
type for an audio recording (including dialogue, sfx and music).
There are two different things here: Music written for a soundtrack
On 25.2.2013 20:53, Alex Mauer wrote:
We’re saying that there should be a work type for the soundtrack to the
film “Yellow Submarine” even though all(?) the works contained within
are already-existing works (arrangements aside, possibly — but that’s a
discussion for another thread).
I totally
but not a type covering tens of thousands
of works. Maybe type for all scores will pass. Good luck and thanks for
making the proposal!
Instead of soundtrack I might name this type score. Soundtrack is a
type for an audio recording (including dialogue, sfx and music).
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On 24.2.2013 12:26, LordSputnik wrote:
Expected RFC End: 2013-3-3, 12:00 GMT
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-194
This proposal would add a Book work type.
This information isn't directly related to music and we call the service
MusicBrainz. For me it makes no sense to start
similar types not related to music. We already got a proposal trying to
add Film, TV show, Video game, Board game and Score as types.
Should we really add everything as work types, add new entities for them
or what?
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for them
in BookBrainz (still in plans?). Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT using veto
for this, discussion about it is enough for me.
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With the same logic we would need to add types or new entities for
movies, video games, musicals, board games, radio shows, theatre
plays
On 24.2.2013 13:29, LordSputnik wrote:
Only use Revision to link surviving works. Do not enter works that cannot be
performed just to be able to use this relationship.
I agree with reo here - if a work is known to have existed at some point,
then I don't see any reason to not allow adding it.
On 24.2.2013 21:24, caller#6 wrote:
I entered http://musicbrainz.org/edit/2112271 as test case.
Last number was missing from url: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/21122712
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On 25.2.2013 1:20, symphonick wrote:
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Instead of soundtrack I might name this type score. Soundtrack is a
type for an audio recording (including dialogue, sfx and music).
I'm afraid score will get mixed up with scores in classical
+1 for the RFC. I'm always happy to see more data related to film scores
or any type of soundtracks in MusicBrainz. I'm planning to make an RFC
about adding soundtrackcollector.com to our whitelist but will wait
until some open proposals are closed.
I agree with reosarevok and recommend not to
On 22.2.2013 11:44, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
Hmm. {instrument}? I would have expected more something like two
attributes, orchestra/choir - how often does a conductor conduct just
one kind of instrument, except in weird things like the Ukulele
Orchestra of Great Britain?
For example,
On 22.2.2013 18:01, Rachel Dwight wrote:
On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ListMyCDs.com musicbra...@listmycds.com
wrote:
For choir we already have choir master which is usually the same than
choir conductor. Sometimes smaller vocalist groups (like 8 singers)
could be having their own leader
other styles won't know about the rule if we
only mention about it on the classical guideline.
Thanks to symphonick for creating this RFC!
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On 12.2.2013 16:58, symphonick wrote:
Expands the earliest version AR into subtypes like arrangement, based
on and more
On 12.2.2013 18:58, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
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Some possible solutions: - Special work-work relationship:
non classical work based on classical-work.
Do you mean creating as many works as arrangements?
Yes. I wouldn't still seriously
On 29.6.2012 1:18, caller#6 wrote:
I'd want to see a guideline explaining that this is meant to describe a
parent work, not a composition.
I agree this should be mentioned on guidelines (classical + soundtrack).
It's the same type of situation with many classical works. Movement of a
On 28.6.2012 15:19, Wieland Hoffmann wrote:
There's a comment search field when using advanced query syntax. If
you think it's useful to consider the disambiguation comment on all
searches, file a bug.
When the naming of these types isn't standardized, it's pretty complex
to find them. Should
On 29.6.2012 17:27, Alex Mauer wrote:
If composer composed only one work and it was composed for the game,
work would be having a type video game score. In case of TV soundtrack
release, it would still be a recording of video game score.
Doesn’t this contradict current usage (e.g. where a
On 29.6.2012 21:15, Alex Mauer wrote:
I would like to propose the addition of the following new work types to
the work types list:
* Film
* TV show
* Video game
* Board game
* Score
In addition, corresponding AR for the above:
[work (score)] score for [work (film, TV show, video game,
I would object to adding these (sub-)types of sonata and I can't see
good enough reasons so far why we would need film score separate from
other scores and why the generic score would not be sufficient.
On 27.6.2012 17:24, Alex Mauer wrote:
+1 to this.
Why you feel it's better to have a
On 27.6.2012 3:46, SwissChris wrote:
I would object to adding these (sub-)types of sonata and I can't see
good enough reasons so far why we would need film score separate from
other scores and why the generic score would not be sufficient.
Need to add one more reason I forgot to mention. I'm
On 27.6.2012 20:05, Alex Mauer wrote:
More detailed and accurate naming of types helps identifying
and finding the right work.
That’s why we have disambiguation comments.
Why should we need to use disambiguations when the same information
could be included in a work type? Searches based on
On 26.6.2012 15:29, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
Hmm. Is there any reason why you picked such a long duration for the
RFV? (normal is 2 days!). Anyway, since it's announced like that I
guess we can wait until then :)
Wanted to give it more time. Some people would like to have a work type
On 27.6.2012 3:46, SwissChris wrote:
I still dislike the idea of multiplying the types in the work type list
unnecessarily. Using just score is in no way unaccurate, it's just
generic.
With a generic type I would need to use the same type for Jurassic
Park musical, film and video game.
On 25.6.2012 20:25, Alex Mauer wrote:
This is the RFV for the proposed Soundtrack style.
Since the most recent RFC I added a description of what releases it
applies to.
+1
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I'm proposing to add Film score to the work type list.
Earlier RFC discussion:
http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-120-New-work-type-quot-Film-score-quot-td4635446.html
On Jira: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-120
RFV expiration: June 29th, 2012
I'm proposing to add Film score to the work type list.
Earlier RFC discussion:
http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-120-New-work-type-quot-Film-score-quot-td4635446.html
On Jira: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-120
RFV expiration: June 29th, 2012
(sorry for the spam,
On 25.6.2012 0:50, Rachel Dwight wrote:
Did you get my comment?
Haven't gotten comments related to this RFV post or RFC from you.
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On 25.6.2012 1:02, Rachel Dwight wrote:
Oh, I meant on the ticket page. I mentioned that you might want to rename it
as just Score, because I know of other media (plays, TV shows, etc.) that
the work type could be applied to.
On earlier RFC discussion something like this was mentioned. I've
On 12.6.2012 6:26, Alex Mauer wrote:
IMO it covers anything of type 'soundtrack' — so it would cover
everything mentioned above and possibly more. I know I would count
re-recordings and alternate soundtracks.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should list there all possible
cases and it's
On 11.6.2012 19:41, Alex Mauer wrote:
This is the second RFC for the new soundtrack style.
It's currently a style for soundtracks but not including definition what
type of releases/recordings/works it actually covers. There's no
definition for soundtrack. Maybe there should be couple of words
On 8.6.2012 17:05, Alex Mauer wrote:
On 06/07/2012 05:48 PM, Ryan Torchia wrote:
Ah, OK, but would Film Cue or Film Score Cue be more appropriate?
Score vs. cue is analogous to album vs. song.
Other discussion answered this question, but I would support a “score
cue” work type (I’d prefer
I'm proposing to add Film score to the work type list.
Film score as a term doesn't only cover orchestral scores for symphony
orchestra, it covers any type of music composed for a film. Wikipedia
page about film scores: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_score
Some example film score works in
This is the RFC for a guideline for the use of the track numbering
feature of Musicbrainz.
It covers:
* unordered tracklists
* Unnumbered tracks
* Normalization of media side numbering
* Sub-tracks (DVD titles/chapters, CD index numbers, 8-track programs)
* Alternate audio tracks (DVD)
*
I don't think soundtrack would be suitable for work type. Film composer
is composing for the film, not for the soundtrack. Soundtrack is an
audio recording including also dialogue and sound effects.
There's big difference with a process for composing music for different
mediums. I see there
If there's a work with a type Film score and having a composer
credited for it, it won't be having songs or works written by other
composers as part of this work. Song will be having a work type song.
There's no need for special types like song for the film or song for
the play, it's still a
Exactly. Parts of the film score wouldn't have type selected, only the
parent work linking them together.
It's the same idea like now with classical works. For example symphony
is having a work type symphony but movements don't have a type at all.
One movement isn't a symphony so this work
is frequently
performing on film score releases but is even more active in classical
world. Same thing goes with many conductors.
Huge thanks for creating this proposal! I appreciate the time you have
give to this proposal.
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