Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-02-05 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
On Feb 5, 2008 5:21 AM, David K. Gasaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jan 2008 at 23:19, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: In fact, my opinion is that they are useful because of their _semantics_. That is, dashes form compound words, en-dashes show intervals, and em-dashes form parenthetic asides.

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-02-04 Thread David K. Gasaway
On 31 Jan 2008 at 23:18, Brian Schweitzer wrote: While working on something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this, at Wikipedia. Though Musicbrainz is not a wiki, it would seem that if they can do it generally, the distinction between hyphen, dash, en-dash, and em-dash ought to not scare

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-02-04 Thread David K. Gasaway
On 1 Feb 2008 at 4:17, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I'm not suggesting that. In point of fact, I've suggested the opposite - that we neither ask nor require any user to become such an expert. That was the entire point of the while such a master works list is being developed, or does not exist,

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-02-01 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
I'm not sure using elipses is such a great idea, because sometimes 4 or 5 dots are used on the cover, which can only be done as a series of periods. THat would be rather inconsistent. Besides, replacing ... with proper elipses i trivial with tagger script. Philip On 2/1/08, Brian Schweitzer

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-02-01 Thread Arturus Magi
On Feb 1, 2008 5:33 AM, Philip Jägenstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure using elipses is such a great idea, because sometimes 4 or 5 dots are used on the cover, which can only be done as a series of periods. THat would be rather inconsistent. Besides, replacing ... with proper elipses

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-31 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
On Jan 30, 2008 11:30 PM, David K. Gasaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bogdan Butnaru wrote: The in print part is not part of the definition. It's the art and technique of using type (graphic characters). There's not much point in type without print. Well, okay .. things may have evolved

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-31 Thread David K. Gasaway
Bogdan Butnaru wrote: On Jan 30, 2008 11:30 PM, David K. Gasaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's not much point in type without print. Well, okay .. things may have evolved slightly since computers. ;) We might have a mindset-difference here. I consider what I read right now on my computer

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-31 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
On Jan 31, 2008 5:55 PM, David K. Gasaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We might have a mindset-difference here. I consider what I read right now on my computer _is_ type. Heh. Did you miss the second part of my reply? Nope, I just wasn't sure whether to read the modal verb as curmudgeonry or

[mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-31 Thread Brian Schweitzer
While working on something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this, at Wikipedia. Though Musicbrainz is not a wiki, it would seem that if they can do it generally, the distinction between hyphen, dash, en-dash, and em-dash ought to not scare folks who are dealing with the complexities of CSG...

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-31 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 31-Jan-08, at 11:18 PM, Brian Schweitzer wrote: While working on something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this, at Wikipedia. Though Musicbrainz is not a wiki, it would seem that if they can do it generally, the distinction between hyphen, dash, en-dash, and em-dash ought to not scare

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-31 Thread Lauri Watts
On Feb 1, 2008 5:44 AM, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31-Jan-08, at 11:18 PM, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Starting files/directories with a period makes them hidden for Macs, too. Ending with a period doesn't seem to be a problem though. I'm cool with replacing ... with … (it's

[mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Alexander Dupuy wrote: As I say, we already use such illegal symbols (:,?, /, etc). The Colons and slashes and perhaps other symbols are not recognised in some mp3 ogg player filesystems e.g. iriver, OSX. argument, if we truly are moving to a music database, and not a tagging database,

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-30 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
On Jan 30, 2008 10:11 PM, David K. Gasaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain again what value this typography brings to the table. Typography, by definition, is a set of rules to improve layout and readability of type _in print_. How does it apply to track titles in a database? The in print

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-30 Thread David K. Gasaway
Bogdan Butnaru wrote: The in print part is not part of the definition. It's the art and technique of using type (graphic characters). There's not much point in type without print. Well, okay .. things may have evolved slightly since computers. ;) The value of having it in database is that

[mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
(and actually, if there were demand, it wouldn't be all that hard to make a CSG-de-typographicaphier plugin, to do it without even having to handle tagger script.) That's a great idea and all, but will it be the default? Or will we be bombarded with complaints and questions from masses of

Re: [mb-style] Re: [Clean up CSG] Typography (was: Capitalization (and placement))

2008-01-30 Thread David K. Gasaway
Brian Schweitzer wrote: That's a great idea and all, but will it be the default? Well, I'll be blunt: to me, MusicBrainz is a music database, not a tagger database. Sorry, I wasn't clear with that question. It wasn't a criticism of typography in track titles. Rather, I was trying to