Re: Help saving MySQL

Martjin, I really don't like to point fingers or anything like that, but the simple fact Oracle owns the MySQL copyrights is by it self very concerning, as all our investments (time and money) could be lost over night, if Oracles decides to close de source or change it's licensing policies. Man

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John, Another read on the subject: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/12/10/the-case-against-the-case-against-oracle-mysql/ Enjoy. With regards, Martijn Tonies Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com I see some of your point Martin but I think the eu would look at that letter a

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t;Regards > >John > >-Original Message- >From: Martijn Tonies >Sent: 16 December 2009 13:16 >Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com >Subject: Re: Help saving MySQL > >> It's still not too late to save MySQL and everyone that is using MySQL >> > > can

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I see some of your point Martin but I think the eu would look at that letter and see the author is stating 'MySQL has been used as a pricing lever'. That single factor should be enough for them to be very concerned by an acquisition as removing an effective pricing lever from the market by acqui

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m can boast the performance benefits (especially with ndbcluster) or the availability of suitably trained and certified people to support their products. Regards John -Original Message- From: Martijn Tonies Sent: 17 December 2009 09:44 To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Help saving

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I think that letter actually does MySQL a favour as it points out 'MySQL has been used as a pricing lever by Oracle customers' That single factor says Oracle should not be allowed to control MySQL as it would enable Oracle to more >easily raise or maintain high prices! For something to be an

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ysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Help saving MySQL > It's still not too late to save MySQL and everyone that is using MySQL > can help making a real difference. > Please visit > http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html > and write a message to EC! > >

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It's still not too late to save MySQL and everyone that is using MySQL can help making a real difference. Please visit http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html and write a message to EC! Regards, Monty Guess you don't want them to write letters like this? http://kirkwylie.b

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Michael Widenius wrote: > > Hi! > >> "Facundo" == Facundo Garat writes: > > Facundo> i don't really thinks this is about open source or not. > > Agree, this has to do about competition and that Oracle, the leader > in revenue for databases are trying to buy MySQL, the leader in > users ju

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Hi! > "Facundo" == Facundo Garat writes: Facundo> i don't really thinks this is about open source or not. Agree, this has to do about competition and that Oracle, the leader in revenue for databases are trying to buy MySQL, the leader in users just to kill it off. Facundo> MySQL became mo

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> Tom Worster : > my guess is that it would be better if mysql did not need to fork. > the harm would be the confusion caused to users. I really dont think it is a problem. _Users_ lazzy to follow the fork will stay with MySQL under Oracle. _Users_ less lazzy will switch. Developpers will always

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gt; To: f...@thefsb.org ; claudio.na...@gmail.com > Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com > Subject: RE: Help saving MySQL > > MySQL is a huge and trusted brand, yes you could run with a > fork but at the end of the day it will never be MySQL. Its > that MySQL brand name which sells the u

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PAQ mobile device -Original Message- From: Tom Worster Sent: 14 December 2009 20:02 To: claudio.na...@gmail.com Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Help saving MySQL and thanks for sharing your view. here's mine: mysql was sold to sun, a company with a long and deep commitment

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I think we are on the same line, I put it to excess to spotlight the crucial point, how it was based on the 'good will' of Sun, which I simply adhore and thank only for existing I was actually happy when that happened because with Sun, MySQL was perfectly fitting in the big picture of Sun produc

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and thanks for sharing your view. here's mine: mysql was sold to sun, a company with a long and deep commitment to oos. while there were obviously risks to the sale, one plausible motive (among others) is that a company like sun would be better placed to further develop, market and support mysql,

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You build a green park where children can play. Then you sell the park to a private company. The company can: not mantain it so that the park becomes junkies place, have people pay to access it or even close it. I, the builder, would not start a crusade or weep after I have sold it, Once it is on t

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On 12/13/09 11:23 AM, "Neil Aggarwal" wrote: > Doug: > >> I do not >> see anyone willing to put up anything to support mysql... you >> don't like >> it... put up a billion dollars an take control or shut the heck up! > > Assuming MySQL as it stands today is 100% open source, > I think an easi

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On 12/14/09 1:49 AM, "Claudio Nanni" wrote: > If he really cared about MySQL he would have not sold it or prevent from > selling it to Sun. i don't see the logic in this sentence. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.my

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erflysystems.co.uk === Sent via HP IPAQ mobile device -Original Message- From: Claudio Nanni Sent: 14 December 2009 06:30 To: mo...@askmonty.org Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Help saving MySQL "Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million €

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Claudio Nanni wrote: If he really cared about MySQL he would have not sold it or prevent from selling it to Sun. Initially her was convinced that MySQL as a division of Sun would really benefit the future of MySQL [1]. Obviously his relationship with Sun changed "a bit" later on. It shows tha

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Totally agree. But in the moment you sell something you lose control on it, and one of the more or less foreseeable risks is exactly what is happening, and worst nightmare become truth. Cheers Claudio Neil Aggarwal wrote: "Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million € in

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> "Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million € in > capital gains in So, he got paid for his contribution to the world. Is that so bad? MySQL has allowed people to make much more money than that. It is a small amount of the worl

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If he really cared about MySQL he would have not sold it or prevent from selling it to Sun. Cheers Claudio Jigal van Hemert wrote: Claudio Nanni wrote: "Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million € in (...) I fail to see the relevance of this quote for this thread...

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Claudio Nanni wrote: "Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million € in (...) I fail to see the relevance of this quote for this thread... Regards, Jigal. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.co

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"Due to selling MySQL to Sun, Widenius earned about 16.6 million € in capital gains in 2008 (16.8 million € total income), making the top 10 of highest earners in Finland that year." [wikipedia] Cheers Claudio Nanni Michael Widenius wrote: Subje

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> Michael Dykman : > Are we such sheep that we leave this in the hands of the highest > bidder? I dont understand: Dont'you like the idea of forking? Why exactly? -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement +261

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I am astonished that this attitude could exist in the open source world. MySQL has *always* been open source, since the early days when it was a handful of us lurking on Monty's mailing list waiting breathlessly for the next feature to be released so we could release the projects we had built agai

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Doug: > I do not > see anyone willing to put up anything to support mysql... you > don't like > it... put up a billion dollars an take control or shut the heck up! Assuming MySQL as it stands today is 100% open source, I think an easier path is to create a new project from the currently existi

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h... All this is what might happen...that true...But yet I do not see anyone willing to put up anything to support mysql... you don't like it... put up a billion dollars an take control or shut the heck up! Doug Ryan Chan wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Michael Dykman wrote:

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> Ryan Chan : > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Michael Dykman > wrote: > > I hope the only reason this thread  is so quiet is because we are > > all busy notifying our friends.  There are a hell of a lot more > > users invested in MySQL than those who read this list.  Spread the > > word! > >

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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Michael Dykman wrote: > I hope the only reason this thread  is so quiet is because we are all > busy notifying our friends.  There are a hell of a lot more users > invested in MySQL than those who read this list.  Spread the word! > Let's stand up today to face t

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I hope the only reason this thread is so quiet is because we are all busy notifying our friends. There are a hell of a lot more users invested in MySQL than those who read this list. Spread the word! Monty is not asking us to help him: he is asking you to help yourselves. MySQL has never been