Problems with UU-Level3 last night?

2002-11-05 Thread Temkin, David
Last night I saw an issue with connectivity between a domestic site in Pennsylvania off of Level3's network connecting to a site on UUNet in Australia - latency was almost triple of what it normally is... Level3's response was of course We don't see anything - even with traceroutes showing

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Nipper, Arnold
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: There seem to be large scale problems at the AMS-IX. BGP sessions with peers keep oscillating. Since their own addresses keep jumping all over the place, it is not possible to reach anyone over the AMS-IX tech list. I have disabled all AMS-IX peerings

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Nipper, Arnold wrote: There seem to be large scale problems at the AMS-IX. BGP sessions with peers keep oscillating. Since their own addresses keep jumping all over the place, it is not possible to reach anyone over the AMS-IX tech list. I have disabled all AMS-IX

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
It's very interesting to see the traffic stats at http://www.ams-ix.net/hugegraph.html Usually, incoming and outgoing traffic is the same. But during this problem, much more traffic went out than came in. Curious, as the exchange sources no traffic that shouldnt really be possible ;)

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Mike Hughes
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: It's very interesting to see the traffic stats at http://www.ams-ix.net/hugegraph.html Usually, incoming and outgoing traffic is the same. But during this problem, much more traffic went out than came in. Curious, as the exchange sources

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Nipper, Arnold
Stephen J. Wilcox: It's very interesting to see the traffic stats at http://www.ams-ix.net/hugegraph.html Usually, incoming and outgoing traffic is the same. But during this problem, much more traffic went out than came in. Curious, as the exchange sources no traffic that shouldnt

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread James A. T. Rice
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: It's very interesting to see the traffic stats at http://www.ams-ix.net/hugegraph.html Usually, incoming and outgoing traffic is the same. But during this problem, much more traffic went out than came in. Curious, as the exchange sources no

RE: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Neil J. McRae
Iljitcsh, There seem to be large scale problems at the AMS-IX. BGP sessions with peers keep oscillating. Since their own addresses keep jumping all over the place, it is not possible to reach anyone over the AMS-IX tech list. I have disabled all AMS-IX peerings for the networks I manage

RE: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Neil J. McRae wrote: There seem to be large scale problems at the AMS-IX. BGP sessions with peers keep oscillating. Since their own addresses keep jumping all over the place, it is not possible to reach anyone over the AMS-IX tech list. I have disabled all AMS-IX

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Neil J. McRae
Did you try calling them?! No. I have enough confidence in the AMS-IX staff to trust they'll notice problems without me having to tell them about it. So why send an email here? -- Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Neil J. McRae wrote: Did you try calling them?! No. I have enough confidence in the AMS-IX staff to trust they'll notice problems without me having to tell them about it. So why send an email here? To advise other network operators of the problem, so they could

AMS-IX problems

2002-10-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
There seem to be large scale problems at the AMS-IX. BGP sessions with peers keep oscillating. Since their own addresses keep jumping all over the place, it is not possible to reach anyone over the AMS-IX tech list. I have disabled all AMS-IX peerings for the networks I manage, and I suggest

Re: Bad bad routing problems?

2002-09-01 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Gerald wrote: Man it is hard to find where routes die when you are dead on the net. tip - keep some access via another provider! 2 hops out from our network was not broadcasting our routes. We should be alive on the internet again to everyone. Thanks for the input

Re: Bad bad routing problems?

2002-08-31 Thread Mike Tancsa
80 0 7911 8001 22420 i *i63.74.146.0/23 216.191.64.253 80 0 7911 8001 23368 i At 10:54 AM 8/31/2002 -0400, Gerald wrote: We are seeing bad routing problems from outside our network. Can anyone corroborate this or help? We are on AS4276 and all traffic from us to our

RE: Bad bad routing problems?

2002-08-31 Thread Malayter, Christopher
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bad bad routing problems? Strange, from my network I see you via GT and via Telus but not via ATT From me (as11647) BGP routing table entry for 216.223.192.0/19 Paths: (2 available, best #2, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) Not advertised to any peer 852 174 8001

RE: Bad bad routing problems?

2002-08-31 Thread Michael Hallgren
: Bad bad routing problems? We are seeing bad routing problems from outside our network. Can anyone corroborate this or help? We are on AS4276 and all traffic from us to our upstream seems good. Great way to spend holiday weekend. /me wonders if anyone is even awake on the NANOG list. :-) 2

Re: Bad bad routing problems?

2002-08-31 Thread David G. Andersen
to not be of more assistance. -Chris -Original Message- From: Mike Tancsa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:14 AM To: Gerald Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bad bad routing problems? Strange, from my network I see you via GT and via Telus

Re: ospf problems?

2002-08-30 Thread Michael . Dillon
i awoke from my hibernation to this mail. what's going on? Why do we let RIchard Sexton get away with posting this kind of insulting drivel to the list?

Re: ospf problems?

2002-08-30 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do we let RIchard Sexton get away with posting this kind of insulting drivel to the list? in my specific case, it's because i've configured my user interface in a way that allows me to live on an internet that does not have certain people in it. (no, my

ALGX problems?

2002-08-15 Thread Stanley, Jon
Welcome to installment 2 of ALGX leaking routes. If they have any connectivity to speak of by the end of the day, I'd be amazed.

Re: ALGX problems?

2002-08-15 Thread Chris Parker
At 03:00 PM 8/15/2002 -0500, Stanley, Jon wrote: Welcome to installment 2 of ALGX leaking routes. If they have any connectivity to speak of by the end of the day, I'd be amazed. Well, it was one of ALGX downstreams leaking to them. Shame on them for not filtering their customer properly.

Re: ALGX problems?

2002-08-15 Thread German Martinez
happened. This is part of one email that we got from them a while ago: 1. You should be using [EMAIL PROTECTED] for reporting problems with your peers and it is 24X7. Fo new turnups, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] more digex.net. - 866-696-2794 options 1 8824 The downstream customer responded right

Re: Max Prefixes Configured on Customer BGP (WAS Re: ALGX problems?)

2002-08-15 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:15:04PM -0700, Joe Wood wrote: However, I don't really see a reason why ISP's shouldn't implement max-prefixes on their customer sessions; This would not prevent against very small prefix leaks, but would prevent partial and whole routing table leaks that impact

Re: Max Prefixes Configured on Customer BGP (WAS Re: ALGX problems?)

2002-08-15 Thread Joe Wood
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: If you're using a Cisco, and they leak, their session stays down until a human clears it. It also does very little to prevent leaking of a single route (like one of Phil Rosenthal's /24s), impacting someone else. As a customer, I would

Re: Max Prefixes Configured on Customer BGP (WAS Re: ALGX problems?)

2002-08-15 Thread Mark Kent
Joe Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: However, for ISP's that do NOT use any sort of prefix filters, wouldn't you prefer that your BGP session was limited to a number of prefixes, in case of a routing leak? We'ld prefer that such ISPs identify themselves here so we can straighten them out.

Re: Max Prefixes Configured on Customer BGP (WAS Re: ALGX problems?)

2002-08-15 Thread Joe Wood
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Mark Kent wrote: We'ld prefer that such ISPs identify themselves here so we can straighten them out. Wasn't that your intention when you asked this question: How many of you that currently do not filter your customer BGP sessions have max-prefixes configured?

solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: something about arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread Joe Provo
harm in going aginst CIDR. Perhaps it is lack of experience in general engineering; one basic rule of thumb is to solve problems by avoiding the conditions which create them. By rushing headllong into activities that are -in even the most conservative terms- debatable, you are inviting both known

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: somethingabout arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread Andy Dills
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote: If you want to run seperate networks, run separate networks. Different ASes, the whole 9 yards; perhaps a re-reading of rfc1930 is in order? That brings us back to the discussion of PI space. If de-aggregating my /20 didn't work, then I'd

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: something about arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread C. Jon Larsen
Ralph, I think you're missing the point a bit. Don't expecy to use resources on other people's networks and routers to do your own traffic engineering unless you pay them for it. You must buy transit from the same ISP in each city, and then you can do your traffic engineering using their

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: somethingabout arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread Ralph Doncaster
If you want to run seperate networks, run separate networks. Different ASes, the whole 9 yards; perhaps a re-reading of rfc1930 is in order? That brings us back to the discussion of PI space. If de-aggregating my /20 didn't work, then I'd either inefficiently use IP space in order

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: somethingabout arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread Andy Dills
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote: And your assumption about my Ottawa-Toronto link is wrong. I have a 100M point-to-point ethernet link between the cities. I have a 100M transit connection to Peer1 in Toronto, and have issued a letter of intent to a transit provider in Ottawa

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: somethingabout arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread Ralph Doncaster
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote: And your assumption about my Ottawa-Toronto link is wrong. I have a 100M point-to-point ethernet link between the cities. I have a 100M transit connection to Peer1 in Toronto, and have issued a letter of intent to a transit provider in

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls[was: something about arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:56 AM -0400 2002/07/27, Andy Dills wrote: Are you suggesting that either of those (which don't violate any RFCs) options are better than de-aggregating my /20? The best solution is just as everybody here has suggested. Use the same provider for transit at both locations,

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: something about arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread C. Jon Larsen
If he would buy transit from *2* providers in 2 cities, he'd be fine, as he could announce the longer prefixes the rest of the internet does not need to see on either ISP1's backbone or ISP2's backbone or both to influence how much traffic he takes inbound on each link on each city, and how

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls

2002-07-27 Thread Paul Schultz
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Brad Knowles wrote: At 10:56 AM -0400 2002/07/27, Andy Dills wrote: If you buy bandwidth from two different providers at two different locations, this would seem to me to be a good way to provide backup in case on provider or one location goes Tango-Uniform,

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls[was: something about arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:51 PM -0400 2002/07/27, C. Jon Larsen wrote: But with only 1 ISP link in each city (1 upstream) if he ever loses the link between the two cities, he has a problem, as there is no way to transfer traffic bound for city1 that enters city2's connection, and vice versa. I

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls [was: something about arrogance]

2002-07-27 Thread C. Jon Larsen
A. one can always find different providers. If you are trying to build something and you don't have the right tools then get new tools. If you can't afford multiple redundant links between pieces of your own AS and you want to use an upstream to provide this for you then you must pick a

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls

2002-07-27 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:04 PM -0400 2002/07/27, Paul Schultz wrote: If you connect to the same transit(s) in both cities you can announce more specific networks with no-export set, keep most of your external traffic off your own network, and not cause the entire world to know about your more specific

Re: solving problems instead of beating heads on walls

2002-07-27 Thread Andy Dills
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Brad Knowles wrote: Responsible and overall best: connect to the same 2+ providers in both locations and announce more specifics locally in each region/city/whatever with no-export. As said above, this isn't possible. I'd like to learn what could be done

Anybody has BGP problems with Savvis today?

2002-07-23 Thread william
Does anybody else has BGP problems with Savvis today? They are usually very proactive on any problems, call me even for 20 second interruptions but today my BGP session has been dead for probably 5-6 hours (and effectively my ability to use Savvis as upstream provider), I called them 3

Re: problems with 701

2002-07-18 Thread Chad Oleary
* * * ... Thanks, --Chad On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:45:49 + (GMT) From: Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bryan Heitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: problems with 701 wow.. what are you trying to get

RE: problems with 701

2002-07-18 Thread Frank Scalzo
. -Original Message- From: Chad Oleary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bryan Heitman; Christopher L. Morrow Subject: Re: problems with 701 We're starting to see the same issues with uunet, again. Anyone else seeing this? Trying

problems with 701

2002-07-16 Thread Bryan Heitman
anyone know what is going on over at uu? seeing problems all over... 3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 216.79.187.254 4 10 ms10 ms 10 ms 172.25.57.5 5 10 ms10 ms 10 ms 205.152.37.184 6 10 ms10 ms10 ms 500.POS2-0.GW11.ATL5.ALTER.NET [157.130.76.97] 710

Re: problems with 701

2002-07-16 Thread E.B. Dreger
BH anyone know what is going on over at uu? BH BH seeing problems all over... BH BH3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 216.79.187.254 BH4 10 ms10 ms 10 ms 172.25.57.5 BH5 10 ms10 ms 10 ms 205.152.37.184 BH6 10 ms10 ms10 ms 500.POS2-0.GW11.ATL5.ALTER.NET BH

Re: problems with 701

2002-07-16 Thread Marshall Eubanks
ms31 ms POS7-0.BR6.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.53.5] 10 ** ^C C:\ Alan -Original Message- From: E.B. Dreger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: problems with 701 BH anyone know what is going

RE: problems with 701

2002-07-16 Thread Alan Sato
: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:46 PM To: Alan Sato; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; E.B. Dreger Subject: Re: problems with 701 On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:02:22 -0700 Alan Sato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im having the same problem. I was told Verio was not accepting connections from UUnet. C:\tracert www.webshots.com

OT: Advice needed on dialup problems - TCP corruption? (windows users)

2002-07-10 Thread Jeffrey Wheat
Good day everyone, I am seeing a strange problem on my network lately after adding a new terminal server, a Lucent MAX TNT with madd modems in it. The symptoms are that users can connect, they can ping and traceroute without any trouble. Anything that is TCP based however is failing.

Re: OT: Advice needed on dialup problems - TCP corruption? (windowsusers)

2002-07-10 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: Can anyone please offer some advice or suggestions? I am too young to go bald :) Yes, take the question to the Ascend-users list. Tell them Frank Rizzo sent you. And if they won't help out, wrap a ratchet round their heads. Charles Cheers,

Re: OT: Advice needed on dialup problems - TCP corruption? (windows users)

2002-07-10 Thread Mathew Lodge
At 02:43 PM 7/10/2002 -0400, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: I am seeing a strange problem on my network lately after adding a new terminal server, a Lucent MAX TNT with madd modems in it. The symptoms are that users can connect, they can ping and traceroute without any trouble. Anything

email problems

2002-07-09 Thread Richard Welty
apologies in advance for this somewhat off topic posting. back in may, a number of you contacted me indicating that there were problems with email that i was sending out (for example, some of you are getting no visible From: or To:) one of the authors of my email client wishes

www.worldnet.att.net routing problems

2002-06-07 Thread Sean Donelan
Does anyone have information why ATT's Worldnet portal is being routed through Splitrock, UIUC and NCSA? It seems to have pretty much taken the Worldnet site off the net. nslookup www.worldnet.att.net Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 Non-authoritative answer: Name:

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:54:57PM -0700, Scott Granados wrote: As are f5 proeducts including bigip, 3dns and hmmm they make something else I forget:). On Thu, 23 May 2002, Brian wrote: bsd kernel eh? i believe netapp filers are based on that as well. Indeed - bigIP is BSDI aka

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Christopher E. Brown
Though I might lend a comment here. I have had alot of experience with PC based routers, starting around 96, and getting majorly into it around 98 or so. To give you an idea. No moving parts except cooling fans. Main drive is an IDE style SanDisk flash drive. System goes through a

Re: list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Robert Beverly
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Richard Irving wrote: Einstein wouldn't have made it anywhere, without his background in Mathematics that he got from a Prominent Ivy League... Oh.. Shoot, did it again. Have you ever heard the expression Flat World Thinking ? Einstein was

Re: list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Richard Irving
Note the expression -background- in Mathematics. While Einstein -later- graduated from SFP, please realize that that Einstein had problems in School... Wild Duck comes to mind, but the end result was that he then later -Taught Himself- Calculus and -then- Boot strapped himself into his future

Re: list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Petr M. Swedock
: : Richard Irving [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : Note the expression -background- in Mathematics. : : While Einstein -later- graduated from SFP, please realize that : that Einstein had problems in School... Wild Duck comes to mind, : but the end result was that he then later -Taught

Re: list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Richard Irving
If you hadn't clipped this, it would have been a non-issue: LURK Is the above meta tag broken, or what ? :P Petr M. Swedock wrote: GAAH! #!$H$%#@!X! This discussion has left the operational and entered the realm of baleful minutia and noxious ego-gratification. Please stop, or take

RE: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Rowland, Alan D
a minute... (/mnt asbestos underwear) Just my 2ยข. -Al -Original Message- From: Steven J. Sobol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:39 PM To: Dan Hollis Cc: E.B. Dreger; Vinny Abello; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems? On Thu

RE: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Rowland, Alan D
J. Sobol; Vinny Abello; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems? JKS Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:34:29 -0400 (EDT) JKS From: Jason K. Schechner JKS Why would you want to do this? JKS JKS Logging. If a h@xx0r cracks your box he can't erase JKS anything

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Andrew Brown
BSD enforces append-only when running proper securelevel. AFAIK, Linux lacks this attribute, and root can disable the so-called immutable attrib. bsd enforces append only or immutable when the flag is set, not depending on the securelevel. there are user and system flag sets. the user flag

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Scott Granados
They did but when you mentioned this I went to look for it and haven't found it. . As I recall this was infact for the nsa but I don't remember the exact application. On Fri, 24 May 2002, Joseph T. Klein wrote: Didn't National Semiconductor have a spec sheet for write only memory back in

Re: list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Scott Granados
And remember, Einstein probably wasn't right:). I also recall that the popular myth that he failed math classes as a child is cincorrect. Hmm, if we're not careful our list will degrade from operational to my relativistic mass is bigger than your pc based relativistic mass:). On Fri, 24

RE: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Dan Hollis
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Rowland, Alan D wrote: AFAIK standard (non-proprietary) CompactFlash, SmartCards, Memory Stick, et al, are seen as (removable) storage with typical allowed attributes. I can set a file/folder/card to 'locked' in my camera but when plugged into the computer this will

Re: list problems?

2002-05-24 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Richard Irving wrote: Router#Conf t Router(config)# Scott Granados wrote: And remember, Einstein probably wasn't right:). % Invalid input detected at '^' marker. Router(config)# What, God -does- play dice ? ;) Actually, yes, God does ;) (See Bell's theorum and its tests,

Re: Certification or College degrees? Was: RE: list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Kristian P. Jackson wrote: Perhaps a bachelors in network engineering is in order? I'm afraid there's not enough stuff one has to know to sucessfully design networks to fill more than one-semester course. --vadim

Re: Certification or College degrees? Was: RE: list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Rick J Casarez
Andrew, The college I am attending, Strayer Univeristy, has a B.S. degree in Internetworking. While it is kinds geared towards Cisco the good part is that they will give credit for life experience etc. I am getting credit for 8 classes due to my work experience in the field. The also

Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Vinny Abello
I would have to say for any Linux/BSD platform to be a viable routing solution, you have to eliminate all moving parts or as much as possible, ie. no hard drives because hard drives will fail. Not much you can do about the cooling fans in various parts of the machine though which routers also

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread E.B. Dreger
VA Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:26:41 -0400 VA From: Vinny Abello VA I would have to say for any Linux/BSD platform to be a viable I suppose it's been awhile since this thread has made the rounds, so I'll jump in for a moment... VA routing solution, you have to eliminate all moving parts or VA

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Neil J. McRae
And that's MY real question. Who has actually done this in a production environment that can speak with some real experience on the topic? What can you replace with a linux box to route and run BGP for you in real life? A 7200? Bigger. I don't have the facilities to try these things

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Nathan Stratton
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Neil J. McRae wrote: I've done it in a production environment and unless money was extremely tight I wouldn't consider doing it again. You will save on capital expediture but you need an army of resources to support it. When I did it, it was on NetBSD running GateD

Re: list problems? + Certification or College degrees?

2002-05-23 Thread Mark Kent
The fact that there are actually ways of knowing and characterizing the extent of one's ignorance, while still remaining ignorant, may ultimately be more interesting and useful to people than Yarkovsky That's just a fancy way of saying a Clint Eastwood line from one of his movies (Magnum

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Randy Bush
Not to say you can't route well with a linux or bsd system you can but at the high-end probably not as well. Tell that to Juniper. routing != forwarding routers have two jobs, both critical randy

Re: Who posts to the nanog list -- The top 59 players (Was not: Re: list problems?)

2002-05-23 Thread Scott Francis
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 03:16:14PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [snip] Nice list. Can we sort by helpful/clueful/relevant postings, and ask the top 10 to post more frequently? :) (OTOH, suspect I would quickly drop down out of the top 100 ... =\ ) -- Scott Francis

Re: list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
At 02:42 PM 5/23/2002 -0400, Henry Yen wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 06:22:50AM -0700, Rachel K. Warren wrote: [ snip ] Of course, there are exceptions to every rule - I've had managers and executive officers in the same companies I worked at who did not have degrees. But more

Re: Certification or College degrees? Was: RE: list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Nathan J. Mehl
In the immortal words of Paul Vixie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): The trouble is, often times I'd rather hire the world's smartest garbage man. I never forget that when I got done interviewing for my first full time programming job I went back to my job fixing cars and pumping gas, and my fallback

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread E.B. Dreger
ADC Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:30:16 -0400 ADC From: Anthony D Cennami ADC Not to say you can't route well with a linux or bsd system ADC you can but at the high-end probably not as well. ADC ADC Tell that to Juniper. Where can I buy their line cards for my PC? -- Eddy Brotsman Dreger,

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread James Cornman
(with ospfd. They (the problems) weren't confirmed by the zebra community but thats the only thing we could narrow it down to. ospfd would die periodically.) The line cards were bought off of eBay. We did VLAN trunking through the 3com GBE card to a Catalyst 3548. Did any rate limiting with DUMMYNET

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Scott Granados
As are f5 proeducts including bigip, 3dns and hmmm they make something else I forget:). On Thu, 23 May 2002, Brian wrote: bsd kernel eh? i believe netapp filers are based on that as well. Bri On Thu, 23 May 2002, Anthony D Cennami wrote: Not to say you can't route well

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread E.B. Dreger
well for a long time, JC although it turned out getting deprecated because of some JC zebra issues (with ospfd. They (the problems) weren't JC confirmed by the zebra community but thats the only thing we JC could narrow it down to. ospfd would die periodically.) The JC line cards were bought off

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Alex Rubenstein
I agree with you on that. Hot swapability for various interfaces is something routers obviously have over PC's. Hot swap PCI is old news. True... unless going for 64 bit PCI at 66MHz... still it's obvious that routers are designed for one simple purpose and generally have larger

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Dominic J. Eidson
On Thu, 23 May 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote: I'm trying to remember what Buy It Now was on that M20 on eBay the other day... IIRC, it had 4x OC3 + 4x DS3 + 4x FE. $39,975 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2025155277 -- Dominic J. Eidson

Re: list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Henry Yen
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:00:20AM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: At 02:42 PM 5/23/2002 -0400, Henry Yen wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 06:22:50AM -0700, Rachel K. Warren wrote: Of course, there are exceptions to every rule - I've had managers and executive officers in the same

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Vinny Abello
At 04:17 PM 5/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: I agree with you on that. Hot swapability for various interfaces is something routers obviously have over PC's. Hot swap PCI is old news. True, but not widely implemented in the standard PC market. If you want a server that has hot swap capability,

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Thu, 23 May 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote: EIDE-based flash drives have become very inexpensive. Some embedded systems use CompactFlash boards. Can you set flash drives to be write-only? Sorry if this is a basic question, but the only EIDE mass-storage devices I've used are more traditional

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Dan Hollis
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Steven J. Sobol wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote: EIDE-based flash drives have become very inexpensive. Some embedded systems use CompactFlash boards. Can you set flash drives to be write-only? Why would you want to do this? -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread E.B. Dreger
SJS Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:23:43 -0400 (EDT) SJS From: Steven J. Sobol SJS Can you set flash drives to be write-only? Sorry if this is Depends on the drive, just like traditional HDDs. SJS a basic question, but the only EIDE mass-storage devices SJS I've used are more traditional drives.

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread E.B. Dreger
JKS Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:34:29 -0400 (EDT) JKS From: Jason K. Schechner JKS Why would you want to do this? JKS JKS Logging. If a h@xx0r cracks your box he can't erase JKS anything that's already been written there. Often it takes BSD enforces append-only when running proper

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Dan Hollis wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002, Steven J. Sobol wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote: EIDE-based flash drives have become very inexpensive. Some embedded systems use CompactFlash boards. Can you set flash drives to be write-only? Why would

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Jake Baillie
At 02:28 PM 5/23/2002 -0700, Dan wrote: Why would you want to do this? Because flash has a limited number of writes. If you used it like a traditional file system, it would go kaput in no time. -- jb

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread David Charlap
Vinny Abello wrote: First off, you're right about moving parts generally being a bad thing. However, it is not always necessary to eliminate the hard drive. Two drives in a RAID-0 configuration may be reliable enough. Especially if the failure of a single drive sets off sufficient alarms

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Jake Baillie
Let me elaborate. I thought Steve was concerned about the limited writablity of flash. My thought was to build something like a Linux router, you'd have to load the OS into a RAMdisk (or something similar), and only write to flash when the config changed. Which means you'd need some sort of

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Dan Hollis
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Jason K. Schechner wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002, Dan Hollis wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002, Steven J. Sobol wrote: Can you set flash drives to be write-only? Why would you want to do this? Logging. If a h@xx0r cracks your box he can't erase anything that's already been

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Jake Baillie wrote: the config changed. Which means you'd need some sort of singular configuration file. But I was wrong. :) He meant read-only I'm just throwing ideas out there. I could boot Linux off a floppy or a bootable CD and create a ramdisk upon bootup -

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Thu, 23 May 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote: SJS a basic question, but the only EIDE mass-storage devices SJS I've used are more traditional drives. Why not partition wisely, then mount the desired partition as read-only? Or I guess one _could_ mount each partition as RO... But why? The

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 05:47:40PM -0400, David Charlap wrote: 64/66 PCI has 4 times as much bandwidth - about 4Gbit/s. Much better than standard PCI, but hard to find on a PC-compatible motherboard, and expensive when you do find it. Enough bandwidth for 10 line-rate 100M Ethernet ports

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Alex Rubenstein
Speaking of which: I have been looking for a reasonable priced hardware ramdisk. The ones I've seen (albeit expensive) are essentially a brick with DIMMs in them, and have either a IDE or SCSI interface. Some have a battery to back them up for a few hours. Anyone got some pointers? On Thu,

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Dave Israel wrote: Then why ot boot from a CD-ROM? Sure, it moves, but only for the few minutes it takes to boot. Then it spins down and sits idle for the n days/weeks/months until the next reboot. It would probably last as long as the solid state drive, and would

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Joseph T. Klein
Didn't National Semiconductor have a spec sheet for write only memory back in the late 70s or early 80s? I think they developed it for the NSA. --On Thursday, 23 May 2002 14:53 -0700 Dan Hollis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002, Jason K. Schechner wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002, Dan

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 23 May 2002 18:01:03 EDT, Steven J. Sobol said: The box I want to build is passing packets between the rest of my network (and the public Internet) and one server that will hold sensitive data. It'll be a Linux box with the TCP/IP stack running in bridged mode, with two ethernet

Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?

2002-05-23 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:52:14 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've heard tell that a good way to secure a Linux box that's doing this is to have it boot, set up the interfaces, set up iptables, and then do a quick /sbin/halt - if you fail to 'ifconfig down' the interfaces on the way

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