Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 24/04/16 04:52 PM, Gretta Louw wrote: > Death to the ludicrous, imperialist notion of 'mastery'! >From the Manifesto: "14. [...] Real democracy must be defined by its goal — collective self-mastery. This is a project which must align politics with the legacy of the Enlightenment, to the extent

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-29 Thread erik zepka
I'm not sure there's novelty in open cultural and scientific concepts, quite the contrary they are interested in being general/social and consensual. Advisory committees I think are a great example of providing instances of some of the steps that can be taken elsewhere - take for instance a bioeth

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-29 Thread Simon Biggs
In response to Erik’s posting - this actually sounds as if Accelerationism is a moralist project, at least here: "a weird utopia of everyone [snip] being in the conversation and allowing that broader counterpoint to qualify and correct expert views”. This is why advisory committees are often com

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-29 Thread erik zepka
I want to reply to this and Gretta's message that preceded it in a manner that mediates the two perspectives. In this way, perhaps we could talk about something like a dilettante accelerationism, but I will look a little outside this to what I might term a genealogy of the accelerationist, that fl

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-27 Thread Alan Sondheim
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Rob Myers wrote: On 25/04/16 06:16 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: A few pieces and others we did that might be germane - [...] Accessgrid pieces - in which we used a multi-channel linux conferencing system to bounce signals around the world creating video echos of speech/ so

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-27 Thread Rob Myers
On 25/04/16 06:16 AM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > A few pieces and others we did that might be germane - > > [...] > > Accessgrid pieces - in which we used a multi-channel linux conferencing > system to bounce signals around the world creating video echos of > speech/ sound/movement; the delays wer

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-25 Thread Alan Sondheim
A few pieces and others we did that might be germane - Ennui - Azure singing and F and I dancing and playing as fast as possible for as long as possible - the piece usually bottoms out around ten minutes. (started around 2002) Accessgrid pieces - in which we used a multi-channel linux confe

[NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-25 Thread Edward Picot
I can kind of see where Accelerationism's coming from - assuming that I understand Accelerationism correctly, which I more than likely don't. After you've repeated a certain number of times the usual breast-beating and groaning about the commodification of personal space and relationships, the

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-25 Thread Simon Biggs
I elaborated in a previous post. Manifesto’s are rarely discursive and I don’t really see why they require such a response. best Simon Simon Biggs si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://amazon.com/author/simonbiggs http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/staff/homepage.asp?name=sim

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Rob Myers
On April 24, 2016 1:08:38 PM PDT, Anthony Stephenson wrote: >Doctors, lawyers and anyone who knows that what the market will bear >sometimes knows no limit, will only contribute this disparity until, >let’s >say, a personal version of something like Chile’s Cybersyn is made into >an >app freely

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Alan Sondheim
I worry about dilettantes as much as master, for example people working in bioart potentially releasing organisms into the environment without understanding the chemical flows of biomes and organisms (no one understands all of this today!). One of the things I've learned to respect is the har

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread BishopZ
"The soul of wit, is the very body of untruth." -Aldous Huxley So sharp? So definitive? Is there not room for debate? at least can you e-lab-or-ate? Bz On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Simon Biggs wrote: > Nope - don’t buy it. Quackery… > > best > > Simon > > > *Simon Biggs* > si...@littlepig.o

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Simon Biggs
Nope - don’t buy it. Quackery… best Simon Simon Biggs si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://amazon.com/author/simonbiggs http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/staff/homepage.asp?name=simon.biggs http://www.eca.ed.ac.uk/school-of-art/simon-biggs > On 25 Apr 2016, at 03:36, Pall

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Simon Biggs
I agree with Alan. The human species has evolved to the point where it is no longer adapted to its environment. Humans now seek to adapt the environment to the species. That is not working. If the human species was to become extinct today that would be the best thing that could happen to the pl

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Gretta Louw
Oh, and let's revive the dilettantes! No more supposed experts, would-be 'masters'. Surely no one who uses this language - even in relation to ostensibly abstract problems or inanimate matter - has read and understood anything about intersectional feminism, digital colonialism and the corrupt p

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Gretta Louw
Death to the ludicrous, imperialist notion of 'mastery'! I lean more towards Alan's thoughts on the role/impact of humans but think that this is probably besides the point because, yes, we are all heading towards an end and a new beginning and more ends anyway. I'm the meantime, though, this i

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Anthony Stephenson
While the original Nietzschean wish for capital to play itself out, I’m thinking that the (Left) Accelerationism of the past twenty years might have more to do with a flash on the possibility to "Seize the Means of Production". With the popularization of computing and cybernetics, some might have f

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Alan Sondheim
The crux, again, is this - you say - I doubt the capabilities of our species are any more than any other in the ability to alter the fundamentals of Life. - but from everything I've read and researched, this just isn't true. The disagreement is deep; for one thing I don't feel guilty, but a

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread John Hopkins
Hi Alan - You know well that the diff. between this and the Perm. for example is this is the result of a particular species running amuck. And with 40-50 % of ocean life scheduled to disappear, etc. as a result of climate, microspherules, etc., the situation is a mess. Yes, there will be somethi

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Alan Sondheim
sounds good to me, the idea of unmastery resonates - thanks - On Sun, 24 Apr 2016, John Hopkins wrote: "21. We declare that only a Promethean politics of maximal mastery over society and its environment is capable of either dealing with global ...snip... it discovers only in the course

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread John Hopkins
"21. We declare that only a Promethean politics of maximal mastery over society and its environment is capable of either dealing with global ...snip... it discovers only in the course of its acting, in a politics of geosocial artistry and cunning rationality. A form of abductive experimentat

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Alan Sondheim
Hi Pall, Here's the crux of the problem: " whilst we cannot predict the precise result of our actions, we can determine probabilistically likely ranges of outcomes. What must be coupled to such complex systems analysis is a new form of action: improvisatory and capable of executing a design

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Rob Myers
Some of the epistemic accelerationists are interested in the work of the philosopher Robert Brandom, who talks about rational, revisable norms. There's been some criticism of that from the point of view of "Risk Society" (Suhail Malik in Collapse Journal VIII). I'm uncomfortable about normativi

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Pall Thayer
>From Manifesto for an Accelerationist Politics ( http://criticallegalthinking.com/2013/05/14/accelerate-manifesto-for-an-accelerationist-politics/ ): "21. We declare that only a Promethean politics of maximal mastery over society and its environment is capable of either dealing with global proble

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Alan Sondheim
Can you say more? On Sun, 24 Apr 2016, Pall Thayer wrote: Alan: But isn't that the whole idea behind left-acceleration? On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 9:46 AM Alan Sondheim wrote: I agree and the problem precisely is acceleration; the biosphere doesn't adapt well to accelerated

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Alan Sondheim
You know well that the diff. between this and the Perm. for example is this is the result of a particular species running amuck. And with 40-50 % of ocean life scheduled to disappear, etc. as a result of climate, microspherules, etc., the situation is a mess. Yes, there will be something afte

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread John Hopkins
learning to listen, listening, is necessary. The fundamental problem I think is that we're blind when it comes to ecosystems, energy, micro- biomes, and so forth. The fundamentals of mycology are being rewritten as we discuss, and what's emerging are whole universes of ignorance. Meanwhile we plo

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Pall Thayer
Alan: But isn't that the whole idea behind left-acceleration? On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 9:46 AM Alan Sondheim wrote: > > I agree and the problem precisely is acceleration; the biosphere doesn't > adapt well to accelerated change, as the plights of sealions, walrus, > migrant birds, ocean lives, in

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Alan Sondheim
I agree and the problem precisely is acceleration; the biosphere doesn't adapt well to accelerated change, as the plights of sealions, walrus, migrant birds, ocean lives, indicate. If anything, a form of holding-back, learning to listen, listening, is necessary. The fundamental problem I thin

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Gretta Louw
Absolutely agree with this Ruth. The imperialist and colonialist attitudes that dominate most contemporary, western thinking are extended, of course in exaggerated form, into thinking about other species, non-human structures etc. The anthropocene is colonialistic. On this, I would highly reco

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread Michael Szpakowski
rt article from the international Socialism Journal by the book's author:http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj96/foster.htm warmest wishesmichael From: ruth catlow To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Acceler

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-24 Thread ruth catlow
Yes Michael, and this is profoundly poetic. All human traditions, values and communities are dissolved in an acid bath of everlasting agitation and uncertainty. What this passage does not describe though is a situation where the wider ecologies of non-human planetary life, upon which we depen

Re: [NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-23 Thread Simon Biggs
This quote from Marx and Engels certainly describes current management practices. I have experience of management workshops where the socially and psychologically disruptive methods outlined in the quote below are promoted and explicitly employed. The aim is to keep workers on their toes - const

[NetBehaviour] Accelerationism

2016-04-23 Thread Michael Szpakowski
Marx & Engels on accelerationism in 1848: "The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on