Hello,
Trying to get back to some of Brian's and others original concerns here
is some useful background material; not from conspiracy theorists as far
as I know. Thanks Alex for the information about the Milan event. And,
Michael nice of you to bring a red herring to the discussion.
https:/
# Nettime 12/02/23
Dear Brian and other nettimers.
It is not an understatement to say that we are at the doorstep of a
potential apocalypse; tragically following on the lingering residue of
COVID and all the social trauma that continues to follow in its wake.
The neoliberal paradigm is a glob
ses and their settings, the
mailman configuration files, the historical archive, and so on) and decide who
should do what. Whether or not this makes some people uncomfortable, Nettime
has become a de facto institution and requires an institutional approach.
Best wishes --
Geoff
On Thu, 15 Dec
Dear All,
I think Mastodon has certain things going for it but the experience is
very different from the Nettime LIST...
The group who orchestrated the change in environments should have
prepared users for the change and described a framework on how this
change could work. To suddenly basica
Hello all,
I think it is worth stating, again, that the folks who have initiated
this move stated the following:
"Nettime was founded at a time when, as quaint as it sounds, email was exciting.
That's long since gone for those who experienced it, let alone for those who
didn't. Discussion-orie
Hello,
As the Mod Squad said:
"This is a chance to move beyond nettime's shrinking in-group, so feel free to
invite others. Our goal is to keep tldr to a size where the local timeline
remains a useful tool for an actual, not rhetorical, community; how big that is
remains to be seen."
Communitie
Hello,
This is a good move with exciting possibilities. The fediverse is in an
expansive mood right now with a massive influx of people; an intensely
evolving social space with strong anti-corporate sensibilities. A forest
with trees, paths to be explored - a refreshing landscape with a
diffe
Hello,
This is an extremely informative podcast with lots of good research
material.The Propagandists' Playbook. Thanks to Techpolicy Press
https://techpolicypress.captivate.fm/listen 46 minutes
When most people think about the problem of mis- and disinformation,
they think first of social m
Perhaps the author is keenly aware that the center left is,
> >>>> if
> >>>> anything, worse on that score. Global neoliberalism and the ardent belief
> >>>> that borderless commerce would soothe the slumbering authoritarian beast
> >>>>
Dear Michael and Nettimers,
I do not favour a pre-screening of articles or anything of the like. Rather I
am concerned about pointing out and contextualizing certain political
arguments. Although she may think otherwise Applebaum represents a strata of
opinion makers that specialises in a speci
Hello Nettimers
I find it odd that Anne Applebaum's questionable commentary on the events - and
historical references - in Ukraine are uncritically posted here. Anne Applebaum
is a notorious right-wing ideologue of the unquestionable neoliberal persuasion
who has been lauded for her attacks on l
Hello "the hacker fascination with crypto currencies is a symptomof the
same disease. There's no use going further with it. In the end, noone
will be liberated. Everyone will be stuck with worse conditions on
theground. This is a dead-end avenue for culture. Crptocurrencies are
theelectronic mi
Hello,
"the hacker fascination with cryptocurrencies is a symptom
of the same disease. There's no use going further with it. In the end, no
one will be liberated. Everyone will be stuck with worse conditions on the
ground. This is a dead-end avenue for culture. Crptocurrencies are the
electronic
Dear Liz,
Thanks for a timely condensed and basically spot-on history lesson.
Herbert Marcuse was right: "repressive sublimation" has a long-afterlife
deeply embedded in the America's delusional dreams... and the
progressive left in the U.S. has yet to find its way of the tunnel
vision of two-
Hello,
Spot On Timothy!
allan
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Hello,
Thanks Molly for your Sunday post...
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Hello,
what is embarrassing is the assumptions that inherent to this discussion
digital vs. analog; does somebody now the borderline where the good
analog begins and the bad digital starts?
are digital phone conversations embarrassing or the fact that some gov
agency is listening in?
maybe Lev
Hello,
OH MY, looks like the Morlock Ellis is taking its cues from Donald Trump
or on a lazy day Boris Johnson. The knucklehead analysis still perseveres.
stay well all
allan
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Hello all,
In response to the alarmingly strident tone of Agamben's rant I went
to the source (which Brian thankfully provided - see below) to the
much broader discourse which is far more illuminating than Agamben's
alarmism (not at all surprising these days) so here is a response to
Agamben fro
Hello,
As I recall ‘complexity’ as discussed extensively by Henri Lefebvre is related
more to urbanism (as Joe mentioned) than management. Complexity is more about
the politics and social realities relating to the ‘right to the city’ than
managing systems. Managerial complexity invariably leads
Hello,
All roads lead to Rome, or the the CIA, NSA, MI6, etc. etc. What happens when
you try to follow the money and reach a seemingly dead end? "Obscure no-deal
Brexit group is UK's biggest political spender on Facebook / Britain’s Future
has spent £340,000 promoting hard exit – but no one know
On 28 January 2019 at 22:02:50, nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org
(nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org) wrote:
Brian asked the following question?
So the question is: What kinds of social forms can be used to re-mediate
the formation of public opinion? In the recent past we tried forums, not
jus
Dear Nettime/rs
I have also been lurking throughout this infuriating conversation that
became increasingly self-indulgent and irrelevant and down the rabbit
hole of leftist jargon, name dropping and other forma of grandstanding.
To put it another way the discussion devolved rapidly and densely
Hello,
Any project on the scale of DECODE is bound to be problematic and not cater to
all the interest, tastes or preferred flavours of those that subscribe to this
list but one would think, or hope, that the discussion around this project
would not devolve so rapidly into the free form banaliti
Hello,
Some rather prescient observations here considering recent events.
Allan
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Sorry: here is the missing link
The New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops
It was there before but seemed to have disappeared
Allan
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/21/the-digital-military-industrial-complex/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NYR%20Wolves%20Orban%20Cambridge%20Ana
Hello
The New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops,
from
Apparently, the age of the old-fashioned spook is in decline. What is emerging
instead is an obscure world of mysterious boutique companies specializing in
data analysis and online influence that contract with government a
Hello,
Certainly all indicators point to some kind of turning point - an historical
moment where a wide range of political indicators and contradictions are
searching for solutions AND where a wide range of hegemonic political forces
seem ready to impose their vision of yet another new world
Hello
Although small scale social media initiatives are important and useful their
existence and development does not negate the necessity for dealing
economically and politically with Facebook, Google et al...
Here is one example - https://www.regulatesocialmedia.org/ I am sure others are
out
Big data for the people: it's time to take it back from our tech overlords
Ben Tarnoff in the Guardian
"A small number of companies have become extraordinarily rich by harvesting our
data. But that wealth belongs to the many”
This is not as far-fetched as it sounds; a very basic idea with some
Hello,
Trying to catch up with all the various points of view being thrown
around here; but Alexander Bard makes an important point about the
“sloppy” use of terms and the inevitable consequences’, i.e. loss of
meaning and discursive traction… So, I hope this adds some clarity:
"Neoliberalism loo
Thanks for writing Molly,
A quick response to two of your items here before I get lost in something else…
> On 2 Dec 2016, at 01:23, Molly Hankwitz wrote:
>
> hello allan,
> thank you for writing this long summary of your perceptions anyway even if it
> is not a completely thought out analysis
Hello,
Starting from Javier's recent post: he makes a very basic point
regarding the racism intrinsic to US political reality. It is not simply
about how it enervates Trump supporters but about how it defines the
narrow parameters of political discourse buttressed by a two party
system controlled
Hello,
(couldn’t hold myself back from this discussion)
Trump represents and is the embodiment of the neo-fascist architype all too
common in American culture: well defined in Sinclair Lewis' "In Can't Happen
Here" or in Penn Warren's "All the King's Men" - the proverbial snake oil
salesman r
Hello,
web networks and the assault on our critical capacities
The incessant, ravenous, hoovering of data by the likes of Facebook are
well-known; the insidious nature of this corporate practice continues to
be well described on this forum; if we were to relate this kind of
behaviour to some bein
Hello again,
Some fragmentary remarks.
Brian is spot on with the following:
"For Foucault, capitalism is not a single, essentially unified system
bearing essential contradictions, as the classical Marxists still
think. Rather, it is a thoroughly political process and therefore
dear Nettime:
Alexander Bard states that, "a new class with a new ideology is the only
possibility of genuine revolution. And such ideologies are derived
from the potentialties of new technologies.” What utter nonsense. It is this
kind of reductionist rubbish that keeps the wheels of neoliberal
ed into sites like Airbnb), even while the display of
the body within the profile is regulated in punitive, sexist fashion.”
full text: http://rhizome.org/editorial/2015/jul/22/feed-my-feed/?ref=nwslettr
best
Allan Siegel
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Hello,
Claire Bishop has made some invaluable contributions to the discursive
territories of the contemporary ‘art world’ (whatever we might consider to be).
Does she make omissions? Certainly. But, when it comes to contemporary critical
art practices: interventions, Tactical Media, etc. etc. t
Hello,
Sorry, but I came late to the Nettime party, I think my colleague Janos
probably had something to do with this, and was wondering whether there are any
founding documents that still exist? For me it would be useful to see what
people were thinking back then when Nettime was launched and w
Hello,
As T say, "Nettime really is turning twenty, so this is a good time to
think about what it wants to be when it grows up. Often, describing what
we have done is a better way to start than asking what we should do."
What WE should do and what WE can do. Very pertinent questions given the
con
Hello,
Thank you Brian for your latest post.
The issues you raise are certainly relevant these days; as they were in the
past. An unfortunate problem is that the ‘organised Left’, or its
half-organised versions, have used ‘culture’ and the voices of the ‘creative
class’ in mostly opportunistic
Hello MP,
Here is a link provided by Daniel Verhoeven which provides some good
initial background; David Harvey in Rebel Cities has some more extensive
materials.
https://niepleuen.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/introduction-to-the-commons-and-some-definitions/
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Dear Salvatore,
I understand that this was a manifesto - or a draft manifesto - but,
aside from the "fuzziness" surrounding the use of the concept of the
commons (a critical issue), what remains problematical to me is the
manner in which the digital commons, as you envision it, is connected
or me
Hello,
Since this announcement has been cross-posted I???ll add Daniel
Verhoeven response to this as well as my own.
FROM DV:
Dear All,
A good start would be to define ?commons?. The fuziness about the
commons is ubiquitous, not the commons. See for a proposal:
https://niep
Hello Brian,
Just a few comments:
By postmodern delirium I was referring to that moment when people seemed
to abandon history and succumbed to ???capitalism's ability to deliver
the goods??? and Reagan and Thatcher were the shining stars starring
down the Soviet bear and celebrating neoliberalism
Hello,
Yes, there is a crisis, that shouldn’t be a big surprise but what precisely is
the crisis? A number of contemporary philosophers have been wading into this
question for some time now; is it the crisis that marks a break with modernity?
Quite possibly. Is it simply the economic crisis of 2
Elmar Altvater
Controlling the future
Edward Snowdon and the new era on Earth
In June 2013, Edward Snowden began to uncover the machinations of the US
National Security Agency (NSA) and the British Government Communications
Headquarters (GCHQ), prompting a worldwide debate about the alarming pow
Allan Resposted from Berfrois
Laurent Berlant performs as clicking
by Lauren Berlant
Today I introduced Facebook to someone older than me and had a long
conversation about what the point of networking amongst "friends" is.
The person was so skeptical because to her stranger an
Hello,
Roger Cohen seems to be just waking up from a deep sleep or maybe the
full ramifications of the 21st century has finally caught up with him;
how someone can write about the dark clouds hanging over the Big Apple
without mentioning the Eric Garner killing just illustrates the
Hello,
Well, there is a difference between actual physical control and the
propogated illusion of control (thanks Brian for bringing Foucault back
into the discussion - I have the feeling he never left). If we accept
or passively follow the various socialising paradigms where
meg
Hello Mike
I think you are missing the point; or, rather have little sense of the context
within which these demonstrations are taking place. Your comment sounds oddly
Luddite and with a twinge of universalising generalities that do not help in
understanding the particularities of the Budapest e
Hello,
The recent massive public demonstrations in Budapest against a repressive
internet tax, amongst other issues, raises once again questions of the role of
social media (and Facebook in particular) as mobilising vehicles for social
protest and political activism. As Alice Neerson writes in O
FYI
"It's becoming increasingly obvious that as we spend more time communicating
via social media, we are disappearing into bubbles. We receive information from
the same sources and witness the views of the same people in our personalised
newsfeeds every day. But it also seems like living in ou
Hello,
This discussion seems to have moved from one end of a shallow pool
to another. As Felix has said, "What astounds and dismays me now is
that all we -- lefty artist/intellectuals on this list -- manage to
produce is a cynicism and bickering." And, that the discussion is
'stale.' Yes, to say
Hello,
Well, there is a difference between actual physical control and the propogated
illusion of control (thanks Brian for bringing Foucault back into the
discussion - I have the feeling he never left). If we accept or passively
follow the various socialising paradigms where mega-companies su
Hello,
Excerpt from: Astra Taylor’s book "The People’s Platform: Taking Back Power and
Culture in the Digital Age.”
"I definitely thought there was something missing, a critique or an analysis
that really emphasized the economic underpinnings of this technological
transformation; what I thought
Hi there,
What a great flow of emotions Herr Enzensberger has generated
over these days; seems like his 10 points for survival in the
overlapping realms of the analog and digital worlds (as opposed to
the post-digital mash-up which probably lies somewhere gestating in
psychedelic glory in a basem
http://www.eurozine.com/comp/focalpoints/hungary2013.html
Hungary in focus
In recent years, Hungary has been a constant
concern for anyone interested in European
politics and Eurozine has published extensively
on different aspects of the Hungarian situation.
Ahead of the Hungarian elections
Hello,
Trying to keep up out here in the hinterland…
What exactly was the Renaissance moment? What’s up with the sudden
fetishisation of California Ideology (? - forget about it; Breaking Bad - is
that part of the California ideology?) Is Silicon Valley capitalism that much
different from Wall
Hello,
Two points here from Brian worth extending a bit further in this discussion
because they seem to me critical if we are ever going to move beyond the
social, governmental and corporate paradigms assembled by what he calls the
"full-fledged transnational capitalist class.” And it is a clas
Hello,
Thanks Brian for the snapshot history lesson; what seems to be glossed
over in your letter is this salient point: "Not only in California, but
across the world there are new oligarchies who dispose (of us) more or
less as they please. Unlike the student movements of 2009, I don't think
Hello,
from Media Matters [16.01.14]: "The Wall Street Journal applauded a
court decision invalidating the Federal Communications Commission's
(FCC) net neutrality regulations, spinning the rules as hampering
innovation and benefitting only "the giants of Silicon Valley," despite
experts who
Excuse me but is public indifference considered to be a new phenomenon is that
really what it is? Remember Daniel Ellsberg, the Pentagon Papers?
Levels of domestic and international surveillance have intensified
logarithmically in the post-war period; just imagine what J. Edgar would have
done
Hello,
People seem to be missing one critical aspect of the panopiticon and if you
have ever been inside of a prison based on these principles, which I
have, the missing element is quite apparent. The central location of the
observation tower created a type of one way mirror in which prisoners
c
Hello,
Armin started to zero in on an aspect of this discussion that has been largely
invisible or at least off to the sidelines:
"there is a philosophical aspect to that discourse on [h]umans/non-humans
that has someting to to with Virilio, Latour and Barad which I would
love to elaborate on
Hello there,
Was this post meant to be ironic? If not then it is a stunning example of the
Thomas Friedman school of journalism masquerading as serious analysis. This
kind of self-righteous commentary is so off the mark that what one can only
wonder about the type of research process that foste
Greetings,
Amazon/Bezos buying the Post is part of a media garage sale; the Boston Globe
was sold recently by the New York Times for a pittance. It has more to do with
the acquisition of a brand more than anything else. For Amazon it provides yet
another digital platform in its multifarious stab
Dear Nettime listers…
Like so much of 60s counter culture initiatives the Whole Earth Catalogue was
soaked up by the various forms of consumer fetishism symptomatic of a highly
developed consumerist society; a phenomenon that Herbert Marcuse understood
only too well. As a consequence it is easi
Greetings All,
Of course one can expect boiling outrage at the copious amounts of hoovering of
data, eavesdropping and classical snooping that characterises the numerous
Snowden/NSA revelations. What a good part of the discussions focus on is the
notion of the 'invasion of privacy' either on an
Hello,
Well Brian is spot-on when he says, "We live under the grip of *that*
professional universe, whose
expansion and accumulation of power has marked the entire neoliberal
era. If there is no counter-project, their power will only grow in the
course of this crisis."
The fact is that too man
hi there,
well, to tell the truth, after reading just the infamous (so it seems) Jaron
Lanier interview it is not his shabby analysis that is shocking, i.e. "Of
course jobs become obsolete. But the only reason that new jobs were created was
because there was a social contract in which a more ple
"Twenty years ago, class was not in the vocabulary of Swedish pundits and
mavens. Class was something that belonged to the past. Today, however, it is
back with a vengeance. Recently the Swedish Occupy movement "Allt åt alla"
(Everything for Everyone) organized a bus "safari" through exclusive
Hello,
Strange enough, since first commenting here on nettime on the e-flux
issue some months ago, I no longer receive any announcements from e-flux
and their affiliates nor have they responded to any of my emails.
Probably they are very busy!!
allan
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"we live in a society where capitalism itself has
become rampantly feral. Feral politicians cheat on their expenses; feral
bankers plunder the public purse for all it's worth; CEOs, hedge fund
operators, and private equity geniuses loot the world of wealth; telephone
and credit card compan ies load
Hello,
well since I first received this request of support from E-Flux I have
been wondering about the implications; not good - not good at all.
This seems to me to be a rather blatant power grab on the part of the
E-Flux crew. The E-Flux service (which may or may not be non-profit)
has more than
nd Braudel understood quite well because he
understood (or tried to fathom) the inter-relationships between
politics and market forces something that Soros - with all his
financial insights - has failed to come to terms with.
allan siegel
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hello,
well I've been trying to get at the core of this discussion which frankly I
find bloated with excess verbiage and driven by a subtext that seems to
fetishize Facebook as if this were one of the most pressing questions we are
now facing. Really folks, one has to simply watch The Social Ne
Hello
In regards to will capitalism survive question I am posting this
interview will Alain Badiou where he shifts the discourse in a
worthwhile direction.
cheers
Allan
Van Houdt
>From Kant to Husserl, and now to your work, the move to transcendental
philosophy has, for the most part, taken pla
Greetings
On this question it might be worth it for those interested to take a look at
The Passions and the Interests by Albert O. Hirschman at Princeton Univ Press.
He illustrates the historical roots of what we can call the 'avaricious' side
of capitalism; an issue that has been debated for ma
Mike Davis' excitement is warranted but his argument strays wide of
the mark and is finally contradictory. Which Occupy the World
Movement is he referring to? And, whose "anger remains on Gandhian
low heat." If movements in Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Rome etc... are
part of this OWM they have n
apolitical posturing that is hermetic
and not at all constructive.
allan siegel
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