Re: [newbie-it] Suggerimenti: installazione e pacchetti

2003-02-26 Thread Andrea Celli
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:23:15 +0100 Alessandro Piaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mi spiego meglio. Ho il pacchetto A da installare, ma ha bisogno delle dipendenze B e C, che a sua volta ha bisogno di C1 e C2. C'è un opzione che mi permette di installare A+B+C+C1+C2? In genere funziona bene il

Re: [newbie-it] Scheda audio

2003-02-26 Thread Daniele Micci
Alle 07:59, martedì 25 febbraio 2003, Lele ha scritto: Dopo l'installazione di mdk9 nonriesco a sentire i suoni di sistema nè i cd musicali. Ho una scheda audio integrata e una soundblaster e vorrei usare solo quest'ultima, come posso disabilitare l'altra? Grazie per le eventuali risposte

Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home

2003-02-26 Thread tom
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 06:32, Di Fresco Marco wrote: Ciao a tutti, so che quella che sto per fare e' una delle piu' banali domande che si possa fare, ma non so come risolvere la questione e non ho idea su dove trovare la risposta nella documentazione: ho installato [EMAIL PROTECTED] e

Re: [newbie-it] rpmdrake

2003-02-26 Thread Daniele Micci
Alle 01:30, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: mi sapete dire xké quando lancio rpmdrake-remove per rimuovere i pacchetti installati, dopo avermi chiesto se andare avanti o meno, si blocca sulla schermata sto leggendo il database dei pacchetti (o qualcosa di simile)?

Re: [newbie-it] Suggerimenti: installazione e pacchetti

2003-02-26 Thread Germano
Il 01:13, martedì 25 febbraio 2003, Alessandro Piaser ha scritto: - Original Message - Un piccolo consiglio (più che altro per te) : Se si scrivono messaggi così lunghi e con domande così diverse tra loro Vero, ma siccome io chiamerei questo thread storia di un'ordinaria

Re: [newbie-it] rpmdrake

2003-02-26 Thread Germano
Il 01:30, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: mi sapete dire xké quando lancio rpmdrake-remove per rimuovere i pacchetti installati, dopo avermi chiesto se andare avanti o meno, si blocca sulla schermata sto leggendo il database dei pacchetti (o qualcosa di simile)? Ti dà

Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home

2003-02-26 Thread Germano
Il 06:32, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, Di Fresco Marco ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, so che quella che sto per fare e' una delle piu' banali domande che si possa fare, ma non so come risolvere la questione e non ho idea su dove trovare la risposta nella documentazione: ho installato [EMAIL

Re: [newbie-it] rpmdrake

2003-02-26 Thread francesco.melo
Daniele Micci wrote: Alle 01:30, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: mi sapete dire xké quando lancio rpmdrake-remove per rimuovere i pacchetti installati, dopo avermi chiesto se andare avanti o meno, si blocca sulla schermata sto leggendo il database dei pacchetti (o

[newbie-it] D-link dfe 538tx

2003-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok ragazzi, devo ricorrere alla vostra gentilezza ed alle vostre esperienze: ho montato una scheda di rete D-link dfe538tx e siccome non ho mai avuto a che fare con reti e adattori di rete non so completamante come fare a farla accettare alla mia mdk 9.0, so che dovrei cercare il modulo ma non

[newbie-it] BenQ DC1300

2003-02-26 Thread Salvatore Califano
Aiuto!!! Ho acquistato una stupenda fotocamera BenQ DC1300: 1280x1024 colore 30 bit registrazione video con sonoro fino a 90 sec. audio fino a 9 min. flash-autoscatto-varie regolazioni del bianco-macro per solo 79,00 euro. Dalla pagina

[newbie-it] File Temporanei

2003-02-26 Thread Gabriele Prinelli
Ciao a tutti. Qualcuno sa dirmi se e dove si depositano i file temporanei internet e come eventualmente eliminarli? E come comportarsi con i vari tmp? Grazie Gabriele

Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home

2003-02-26 Thread freefred
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 6:32 am, Di Fresco Marco wrote about [newbie-it] Avvio automatico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ciao a tutti, so che quella che sto per fare e' una delle piu' banali domande che si possa fare, ma non so come risolvere la questione e non ho idea su dove trovare la risposta

RE: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home

2003-02-26 Thread Di Fresco Marco
Se usi KDE e vuoi che questo parta appena un'utente accede alla sua home con KDE lo metti in /usr/share/autostart (così vale per tutti gli utenti); per la sintassi te ne scopiazzi uno di quelli che già ci sono. Se invece vuoi dare libertà ad i tuoi utenti (non vedo perchè debbano usare KDE)

[newbie-it] Problema pppd

2003-02-26 Thread kua79
Ciao a tutti, sono un nuovo iscritto della lista. Ho un problemone con il demone ppp. Ho installato la Mandrake 9 per curiosita' ma non riesco a configurare la connessione. Quando la creo tramite il centro di controllo mandrake mi dice che... sono stati riscontrati dei problemi... e di provare

Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home

2003-02-26 Thread Alessandro Piaser
- Original Message - risposta nella documentazione: ho installato [EMAIL PROTECTED] e vorrei farlo partire all'avvio (di qualsiasi utente), come posso farlo? Utilizzi anche SetiLog e KSetispy per caso? Bye Alessandro

Re: [newbie-it] Suggerimenti: installazione e pacchetti

2003-02-26 Thread Alessandro Piaser
- Original Message - From: Andrea Celli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mi spiego meglio. Ho il pacchetto A da installare, ma ha bisogno delle dipendenze B e C, che a sua volta ha bisogno di C1 e C2. C'è un opzione che mi permette di installare A+B+C+C1+C2? In genere funziona bene il comando

Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home

2003-02-26 Thread tom
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 21:56, Di Fresco Marco wrote: server e scarica nuovi pacchetti. Questo tipo di programmi viene usato dagli istituti di ricerca che non hanno fondi sufficienti per comprare mega computer per fare le elaborazioni e quindi cercano volontari a cui ripartire la mole

RE: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home

2003-02-26 Thread Di Fresco Marco
Utilizzi anche SetiLog e KSetispy per caso? Attualmente no. Avevo provato SetiLog per Win, ma dopo un po' l'ho disinstallato perche' non lo usavo. Di Fresco Marco ICQ #51985192 |--| | Spock (Court Martial - TOS): If I

RE: [newbie] Opera7

2003-02-26 Thread Robert Wideman
now, if only i can wean myself off Outlook Express for my email. I am with you on this one except i am using Outlook. I cant find any way to move data over. However i havent setup an IMAP server, then moved my email to that and then pull open evolution/sylpheed/etc and then pull it down. Any

Re: [newbie] Telnet

2003-02-26 Thread Raffaele Belardi
So, if everything works, why doesn't telnet?!?! I am almost out of ideas... What security level are you running? In msec 4 level, Services not contained in /etc/security/msec/server.4 are disabled during package installation ( considered as not really secure ) ( but the user can reenable it

Re: [newbie] Opera7

2003-02-26 Thread Dennis Sue
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:18 am, Robert Wideman wrote: now, if only i can wean myself off Outlook Express for my email. I am with you on this one except i am using Outlook. I cant find any way to move data over. However i havent setup an IMAP server, then moved my email to that and

Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Operating Systems to become obsolete?

2003-02-26 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 4:09 am, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:35 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:04 pm, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:14 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: Found this interesting, thought I'd pass it on. (Is the future

[newbie] Opera7

2003-02-26 Thread ivette brusselmans
Visited website Opera. But Opera7 download is only for Windows. When I go to Linux download icon, I can only download the 6.11 version. Or am I missing something? Thanx _ Valentijn bij MSN ! http://www.msn.be/valentijn Want to

[newbie] urpmi updates

2003-02-26 Thread Robert Wideman
I have 2 systems with MDK9 installed. One is my workstation that has been running for a few months and urmpi/grpmi have contrib/updates/plf/unsupported sites listed and working just fine. Reading the man pages for urpmi it uses the /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg file as the configuration file of the

RE: [newbie] Opera7

2003-02-26 Thread Robert Wideman
I'm not sure this will answer your question. i'm not sure this is your question, But with Kmail you can import Outlook Express mail. File / Import. I didnt see anything about PST files. I have attachements on a lot of my emails. Maybe i will give this a try since it is just a copy/paste

Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200

2003-02-26 Thread Andrew Scotchmer
. There is no way you can run KDE 3.0 on 32MB of RAM - you need 128MB for even tolerable speeds, and 512MB would be necessary to give full performance. As a comparison, 32MB is barely enough to run Windows 98, and Mandrake 9.0 is not the equivalent of Win98, it's more like XP (except that it

Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200

2003-02-26 Thread Rodolfo Lima
Well, the problem then seems to be low RAM. I'll try to buy some more and see what happens. I really thought that Linux+KDE wasn't so heavy, memory demanding. But as someone said, for low-end machines, text mode is the solution, and KDE equals to XP resource-wise. But the installation really need

RE: [newbie] urpmi updates

2003-02-26 Thread Tony S. Sykes
Rob, You have to copy over the lists created for these sources on your system to the other server as well. I can't remember which directory it is, but search the archives as this has been asked before. (At work and Linux box at home) Tony. -Original Message- From: Robert Wideman

Re: [newbie] Opera7

2003-02-26 Thread Greg Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:25 am, ivette brusselmans wrote: Visited website Opera. But Opera7 download is only for Windows. When I go to Linux download icon, I can only download the 6.11 version. Or am I missing something? Opera 7 for Linux

RE: [newbie] urpmi updates

2003-02-26 Thread Robert Wideman
You have to copy over the lists created for these sources on your system to the other server as well. I can't remember which directory it is, but search the archives as this has been asked before. (At work and Linux box at home) Ah, no wonder. Thats ok. I installed the sources manually via

Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Operating Systems to become obsolete?

2003-02-26 Thread et
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:22 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 4:09 am, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:35 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:04 pm, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:14 pm, Jerry Barton wrote:

Re: [newbie] Opera7

2003-02-26 Thread Todd Slater
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:18:46AM -0600, Robert Wideman wrote: now, if only i can wean myself off Outlook Express for my email. I am with you on this one except i am using Outlook. I cant find any way to move data over. However i havent setup an IMAP server, then moved my email to that

Re: [newbie] Memory limit?

2003-02-26 Thread Terry Sheltra
I stand corrected. I knew everyone would set me straight :-) Thanks to all who set me back on the path of righteousness! ;-) Terry Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 02:50 pm, Terry Sheltra wrote: If I recall correctly, you need to

Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200

2003-02-26 Thread Jan Wilson
* Rodolfo Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030226 08:24]: But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. OK, try installing Win XP on a blank disk. Now install Office XP. Now imagine you have several CD's

Re: [newbie] Telnet

2003-02-26 Thread Gil Katz
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 17:30, Raffaele Belardi wrote: Raffaele when i run tail -f on /var/log/messages i get the following Feb 26 13:35:38 katz xinetd[18006]: socket creation failed (Address family not supported by protocol (errno = 97)). service = telnet any idea? Gil Gil, you should

Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200

2003-02-26 Thread Dennis Myers
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:46 am, Jan Wilson wrote: * Rodolfo Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030226 08:24]: But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. OK, try installing Win XP on a blank

Re: [newbie] Memory limit?

2003-02-26 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Tuesday February 25 2003 06:43 pm, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: Pretty soon all the PCs and laptops will need to have more than 1GB of RAM. What is happening here is probably an early signal for the kernel developers to revamp memory management. Seedkum The linux-kernel people are

RE: [newbie] installing a new icon set

2003-02-26 Thread birdman
When I click on the small folder button I don't know how to get all the icons at once, just one at a time. Thanks in advance. Icons need to be packaged in a tar.gz file: this is the file that you have to address in the browse menu. If you go to themes.kde.org you'll download icons sets as

Re: [newbie] Hams on the list

2003-02-26 Thread Alan Dunford
Another here - G3XOF. 73 and 88 Alan -- Alan Dunford, Derby, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] web page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adunford Coming to you from a Microsoft-free zone Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] installing a new icon set

2003-02-26 Thread Terry Sheltra
Did you unzip the tar file with the icons? If so, that could be the problem. Point to the entire tar file, and it should install all of the icons. HTH, Terry Josenildo Marques wrote: I have tried it unsuccessfully, following the 'rules' How to install an new icon theme # Open the KDE-Menu

Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list

2003-02-26 Thread et
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:03 pm, David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I noticed a lot of people want to have OT discussions, so I created a mailing list for off topic discussions for anyone here to join. if you would like to join here is the URL:

Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list

2003-02-26 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:03:11 -0500 David McGlone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com Favor David, please. Change your signature separator to -- rather than - --, to enable mail clients to treat it as a signature Thanks

[newbie] OpenOffice: hyperlinks

2003-02-26 Thread Paul
Hi all, Can someone point me to the setting where I can tell OpenOffice NOT to hyperlink every abbreviation I type? When I type 'e.e.a.' (for instance) it is turned into a hyperlink to http://e.e.a./ automatically, while I don't want that. Thanks! Paul -- I have already told you more than I

RE: [newbie] Hams on the list

2003-02-26 Thread Peter Jones
Me too ZL1BVJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Márkus Béla Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:57 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Hams on the list Hi Guys, one more. 73/DX de HA5DI, Béla Chris

Re: [newbie] OpenOffice: hyperlinks

2003-02-26 Thread bones
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:48, Paul wrote: Hi all, Can someone point me to the setting where I can tell OpenOffice NOT to hyperlink every abbreviation I type? When I type 'e.e.a.' (for instance) it is turned into a hyperlink to http://e.e.a./ automatically, while I don't want that.

Re: [newbie] Hams on the list

2003-02-26 Thread Stephen Kitchener
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 19:12, Alan Dunford wrote: And Me G6DZJ Another here - G3XOF. 73 and 88 Alan -- O o _\_ o \\/ o\ . //\___= '' Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:29:50 + 8:29pm up 11:56, 0 users, load average: 2.35, 2.11,

Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list

2003-02-26 Thread David McGlone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:57 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:03:11 -0500 David McGlone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com Favor David, please. Change

Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list

2003-02-26 Thread David McGlone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:38 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:03 pm, David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I noticed a lot of people want to have OT discussions, so I created a mailing list

Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list

2003-02-26 Thread David McGlone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:38 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:03 pm, David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- hey dave, we already got one [EMAIL PROTECTED], come join... maybe we will move to your server if you

Re: [newbie] Memory limit?

2003-02-26 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday February 26 2003 11:23 am, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: While there's already 64 bit production machines, that use gigs of ram, there's also already Linux performance optimized kernels for them. IIRC, the kernels were ready before the systems were. OTOH, before you'll see 64

Re: [newbie] P133 with Mdk9.0 as a router

2003-02-26 Thread Luke Stutters
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 6:14 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Luke Stutters wrote: Hi all - first post here. I'm in the process of installing Mandrake 9.0 on a P133, 64MB machine with the intent of using it as a IP-masquerading box. This would mean my other boxes

Re: [newbie] Memory limit?

2003-02-26 Thread civileme
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:31 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 26 2003 11:23 am, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: While there's already 64 bit production machines, that use gigs of ram, there's also already Linux performance optimized kernels for them. IIRC, the kernels

Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list

2003-02-26 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday February 26 2003 02:43 pm, David McGlone wrote: Does Free Beer and having the list on my server FREE! sound appealing? If free isn't a better deal, then I don't know what would be. - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com Only if you're willin

Re: [newbie] Memory limit?

2003-02-26 Thread g
Fred Schroeder wrote: Thanks for all of the replys, guess I will try to roll my own, sure hope I don't screw this up!! you will seldom screw up if you always back up before you install or modify anything that is working. 'things' will screw up enough on their own. peace out. tc,hago. g . --

Re: [newbie] Memory limit?

2003-02-26 Thread Seedkum Aladeem
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:33 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:31 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 26 2003 11:23 am, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: While there's already 64 bit production machines, that use gigs of ram, there's also already Linux

Re: [newbie] P133 with Mdk9.0 as a router

2003-02-26 Thread civileme
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:15 pm, Luke Stutters wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 6:14 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Luke Stutters wrote: Hi all - first post here. I'm in the process of installing Mandrake 9.0 on a P133, 64MB machine with the intent of

Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list

2003-02-26 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 06:57 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 26 2003 02:43 pm, David McGlone wrote: Does Free Beer and having the list on my server FREE! sound appealing? If free isn't a better deal, then I don't know what would be. - -- David M. Edification Web

[newbie] trouble with sis900 onboard ethernet

2003-02-26 Thread Richard Babcock
Greetings, I am trying to get my SiS900 10/100 onboard ethernet to work with ML 9.0. I came across a howto at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/K7s5a-HOWTO and typed 'dmesg | less' as they suggested. I get three lines for eth0 as follows: eth0: Unknown PHY transceiver found at address 1.

[newbie] boot messages

2003-02-26 Thread Josenildo Marques
How can I see the boot messages? There seems to be something wrong and I want to check it. Thanks. JM -- Are we speachin d'anglas landadge or are you sprakin sea Djoytsch? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

[newbie] help!!! ftp server troubles

2003-02-26 Thread David Jones
i am tring to set up a ftp server for a friend to keek stuff on my computer and he wonts his folder user name / password protected IE..he wonts a user name and a password for his stuff on my computer i am using mandrake 9.0 with pro ftp i have the newest vet of webmin and...i have verry

[newbie] Cervisia

2003-02-26 Thread Richard Babcock
Thank you Sharrea for your help on my kdeinint problem, it works beautifully now. I also have something in my Preference Order called Cervisia. Just wondering if anyone knows what this is? R - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You!

Re: [newbie] boot messages

2003-02-26 Thread Greg Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 10:04 am, Josenildo Marques wrote: How can I see the boot messages? There seems to be something wrong and I want to check it. You can type dmesg and see if any errors are in there, along with examining

Re: [newbie] trouble with sis900 onboard ethernet

2003-02-26 Thread MG
Hi Richard, I have the same board k7s5a with onboard sound and network. I have MDK8.2 installed and it configured my nic on install but I had troubles with sound. Thanks! to your link I'm going to attempt to get my sound working again. Anyways I'm a newbie so can't help much but heres some info

[newbie] kde help

2003-02-26 Thread sean jacobs
a few days ago i was having trouble adding fluxbox to my window manager list in kdm. i decided to go ahead and upgrade to kde 3.1. now fluxbox is added to my list but there are too additional problems. for some reason i cannot get the new kdm to boot kde, but kde works fine when i run startx

[newbie] Backup to CD-R/RW

2003-02-26 Thread Harv Nelson
Hi Is there some sort of backup/restore utility that I can use to make backups using the CD-R on my machines? CD-R's cost about a dime each these days. That price makes that media much more attractive than investing in a big tape drive and tapes.. I've got 5 machines on my little network.

Re: [newbie] P133 with Mdk9.0 as a router

2003-02-26 Thread Dennis Myers
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 05:15 pm, Luke Stutters wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 6:14 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Luke Stutters wrote: Hi all - first post here. I'm in the process of installing Mandrake 9.0 on a P133, 64MB machine with the intent of

Re: [newbie] Backup to CD-R/RW

2003-02-26 Thread civileme
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:12 pm, Harv Nelson wrote: Hi Is there some sort of backup/restore utility that I can use to make backups using the CD-R on my machines? CD-R's cost about a dime each these days. That price makes that media much more attractive than investing in a big tape