Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 14 December 2003 07:18 pm, Guy Rouillier wrote: Bryan, please keep in mind this is a newbie list. I realized when I composed my initial message that I ran the risk of offending those who might perceive me as attacking their child, and I tried the best I could to keep subjective

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 15 Dec 2003 5:25 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 14 December 2003 07:18 pm, Guy Rouillier wrote: Bryan, please keep in mind this is a newbie list. I realized when I composed my initial message that I ran the risk of offending those who might perceive me as attacking their

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Monday 15 December 2003 01:02 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Bryan, I always respect your views, but I'm not entirely happy with parts of your reply. It seems to me that his line was generally that there are still many things that make linux newbie-unfriendly, and I have to agree. Well, I have a

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 15 Dec 2003 6:21 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: I can be disagreeable when I think that someone is suggesting that Linux should conform to the expectation of Window's users especially because I feel that those expectations are impossible to meet, having been corrupted under the marketing

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Monday 15 December 2003 01:56 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: M$ marketing apart, it is a fact of life that most programmers have put their effort into M$ compatible apps, because that's where the sales and the money is. Simple economics. Let's hope that before long the message will get through

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 15 Dec 2003 7:45 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: I may well talk to you later on that one, Bryan. I do miss my Lotus Approach databases. I used them for so many things. For the main part I'm living without them, but just occasionally I have to dip into windows to use one. It may

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 15 Dec 2003 7:45 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: Kind of interesting you mention this. I recently printed out Xmas mailing labels to stock label media using OpenOffice with an interface into a Gnome Card address database using mail merge features that pull name, street address, city,

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Monday 15 December 2003 02:54 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: BTW, an Irish friend of ours used to recite a longish poem, in which the punch lines were for the knife was made of Sheffield steel but the cloth was Irish linen or words to that effect. Do you know it? I'd love to see it if you do.

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-15 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Monday 15 December 2003 03:42 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 15 Dec 2003 7:45 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: Kind of interesting you mention this. I recently printed out Xmas mailing labels to stock label media using OpenOffice with an interface into a Gnome Card address database using mail

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread Melissa Reese
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guy, On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 10:33:09 PM PST, you wrote: Last night I spent an exasperating 6 hrs struggling with numerous issues. I'll submit them as bugs if appropriate. I feel these issues (and many more like them) are

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread robin
Guy Rouillier wrote: smbumount from a command line. BTW, why can any user do smbmount, but only root do mount? Doesn't seem to make sense. Perhaps because smbmount is a virtual mount - all it does is give access to another machine. Sir Robin -- Certitude is possible for those who only own

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 14 December 2003 12:33 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: Before I begin, let me start by saying I am a fan of Linux, so the points I raise below are from the converted. Last night I spent an exasperating 6 hrs struggling with numerous issues. I'll submit them as bugs if appropriate. I feel

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 14 December 2003 01:33 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: Before I begin, let me start by saying I am a fan of Linux, so the points I raise below are from the converted. Last night I spent an exasperating 6 hrs struggling with numerous issues. I'll submit them as bugs if appropriate. I feel

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread robin
Dennis Myers wrote: (7) Open Office works okay, looks like the Windows version, but is glacial at loading. The Windows version loads much faster on the same hardware (dual boot.) Open Office loads the whole package when you call it. MS Office generally loads most of itself when you boot up

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread Charlie Mahan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 14 December 2003 2:50 am, Melissa Reese wrote: ALERT! I feel another of those damned Charlie's writing another book moments approaching. Hi Guy, On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 10:33:09 PM PST, you wrote: Last night I spent an

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread Richard Urwin
I'll just add to two very good posts, that, in my experience (which is fairly balanced in this respect,) administrating Mandrake is no harder or easier than administrating Windows 2000 Professional. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread robin
Richard Urwin wrote: I'll just add to two very good posts, that, in my experience (which is fairly balanced in this respect,) administrating Mandrake is no harder or easier than administrating Windows 2000 Professional. Never having used Win2k, I don't know. But it's certainly easier than

Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-14 Thread Guy Rouillier
Bryan Phinney wrote: Well, based on the rest of what you say, you don't sound very converted to me. Bryan, please keep in mind this is a newbie list. I realized when I composed my initial message that I ran the risk of offending those who might perceive me as attacking their child, and I

[newbie] Desktop issues, revisited

2003-12-13 Thread Guy Rouillier
Before I begin, let me start by saying I am a fan of Linux, so the points I raise below are from the converted. Last night I spent an exasperating 6 hrs struggling with numerous issues. I'll submit them as bugs if appropriate. I feel these issues (and many more like them) are impediments to