Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-13 Thread Douglas Bainbridge
Hi Bryan, On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 19:15, Bryan Phinney wrote: snip ... Just because a company pursues goals that are not in my best interests and seeks to limit my choices to those that make them money does not make them evil, that is simply reality. Every human will try to

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-13 Thread ed tharp
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:44, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: Hi Bryan, On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 19:15, Bryan Phinney wrote: snip ... Just because a company pursues goals that are not in my best interests and seeks to limit my choices to those that make them money does not make

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-13 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Monday 13 October 2003 07:44 am, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: Just because a company pursues goals that are not in my best interests and seeks to limit my choices to those that make them money does not make them evil, that is simply reality. Every human will try to make things work out

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread Douglas Bainbridge
Hi Franki and Mac, On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 11:30, HaywireMac wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:48:23 +0800 Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: If we all tell ten people, and make them feel as strongly about it as we do, they will spread the word also. Are you kidding me? I gotta try to

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 12 October 2003 01:38 am, Barry Premeaux wrote: On Saturday 11 October 2003 06:54 pm, HaywireMac wrote: Palladium requires computers to have a special chip, which both Intel and AMD have already agreed to incorporate. http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html#mspath My eyes must

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread Douglas Bainbridge
Further to my last post .. Do you have a Consumers Association or similar body in the US that could get fired up about this? http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html#mspath I'm going to try to agitate the UK one. DougB I've written to the Consumers' Association in the

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 12 October 2003 10:52 am, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: Further to my last post One of the things that I would ask everyone who accesses the IT 2003 and Beyond article is that some of the interpretations of the author are just that, interpretations. Without being privy to MS's actual

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread ed tharp
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 11:47, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 12 October 2003 10:52 am, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: Further to my last post One of the things that I would ask everyone who accesses the IT 2003 and Beyond article is that some of the interpretations of the author are just that,

Re[2]: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread rikona
Hello Franki, Sunday, October 12, 2003, 12:48:23 AM, you wrote: F Just be sure as many people know that we are not gonna stand for F it.. even die hard windows users should not stand for it. I have had some success with win users. Few have converted to Linux, but all have stopped using M$

Re[2]: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread rikona
Hello Douglas, Sunday, October 12, 2003, 7:52:19 AM, you wrote: DB Here's a copy of the letter - we'll see what happens. Nice letter. I hope you would not mind if I use it as a basis for letters here in the US. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your

Re[2]: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread rikona
Hello Bryan, Sunday, October 12, 2003, 8:47:49 AM, you wrote: BP The technical plans have already been published, but as with all BP things, those can be perceived in a favorable light or BP unfavorable light. Given the past history, it might be a good idea to assume the worst, at least as a

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 12 October 2003 01:53 pm, rikona wrote: Given the past history, it might be a good idea to assume the worst, at least as a start. As long as you keep in mind that making such assumptions automatically colors any opinions that you form. We always need to differentiate our opinions

Re[2]: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-12 Thread rikona
Hello Bryan, Sunday, October 12, 2003, 11:15:57 AM, you wrote: BP On Sunday 12 October 2003 01:53 pm, rikona wrote: Given the past history, it might be a good idea to assume the worst, at least as a start. BP As long as you keep in mind that making such assumptions automatically colors BP

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:06:21 -0700 Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread ed tharp
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 08:26, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:06:21 -0700 Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well.

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread HaywireMac
On 11 Oct 2003 09:02:21 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well. http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/05/19/226213.shtml?tid=126 Sorry, does it mention AMD in there

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Saturday 11 October 2003 08:26 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:06:21 -0700 Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well. Palladium or Trusted Computing is not going to be all

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread HaywireMac
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:50:33 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Personally, I suspect that Palladium will be a boon for Linux and Open-source, not a threat. In the sense that it will make people see once and for all what these goons are up to? If so, I believe you are correct. --

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread ed tharp
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 09:27, HaywireMac wrote: On 11 Oct 2003 09:02:21 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well.

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread Barry Premeaux
On Saturday 11 October 2003 05:26 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:06:21 -0700 Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well. I didn't spot a reference to AMD. I sure hope not.

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread Zlatko Savic
It is the business world that has the deep pockets. They ought to know about this. Z.S. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-11 Thread HaywireMac
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:30:29 -0700 Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I didn't spot a reference to AMD. I sure hope not. It would be nice to have some alternatives out there. Palladium requires computers to have a special chip, which both Intel and AMD have already agreed to

[newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-10 Thread Steve Mazil
I don't think so... http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryBusiness/cs.cs-10-10-0051.html Steve Mazil -- ___ Mandrake Linux 9.1 (Bamboo) Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-10 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:09:42 -0600 Steve Mazil [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I don't think so... http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryBusiness/cs.cs-10-10-0051.html Riggghhht. Word, BP just gave me the most killer link I ever did see on how MS plans to deal with security, check it:

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-10 Thread Steve Mazil
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:05:49 -0400 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:09:42 -0600 Steve Mazil [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I don't think so... http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryBusiness/cs.cs-10-10-0051.html Riggghhht. Word, BP just gave me the most killer link

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-10 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:48:30 -0600 Steve Mazil [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I've only read thru about 30% of it so far and my blood is already boiling. Join the club. Fsck gun control, I'm buying a Benelli and going to Redmond... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage:

Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?

2003-10-10 Thread Barry Premeaux
http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html#mspath This is why my site is no longer accessible to MSIE, and why I will be doing everything in my power to make the internet Windows-free. Wow! that is one killer link, it's one that I'll be sending to everyone in my address book. Hopefully