[newbie] Software Patents - good news (at last)?

2004-06-22 Thread PM
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7442 reports that the Dutch government is considering revoking their minister's vote at the council meeting a couple of weeks ago. If I recall correctly, it only went through on the Dutch vote, after badgering by the Irish (presidency sponsored by

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread John Richard Smith
Margot wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: So does this leave us with a satisfactory position ? I'm not at all sure. No, it is not satisfactory - look again at the last 2 paragraphs of Caroline Lucas's message: However, the draft Directive remains ambiguous and contradictory (articles 2 4

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread HaywireMac
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:04:39 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I guess that this needs a project team from the EU law dept to come down to grass roots level and discuss what needs to be done to strengthen the right of GPL products users rights in law. ROTFLMAO! Oh, wait,

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread John Richard Smith
HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:04:39 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I guess that this needs a project team from the EU law dept to come down to grass roots level and discuss what needs to be done to strengthen the right of GPL products users rights in law.

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread John Richard Smith
HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:46:59 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well I don't see how I'm going to be able to put the case to my local MEP. I mean I'm no expert, and he/she is no expert and they have to put some sort of a case to the legislators to get them to

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread Aron Smith
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 09:04, John Richard Smith wrote: HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:46:59 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well I don't see how I'm going to be able to put the case to my local MEP. I mean I'm no expert, and he/she is no expert and they

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread HaywireMac
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:04:21 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: So the ethos of that argument is that that you cannot patent code it's something akin to a writer publishing a piece of liturature, it is his work, but it's not a novel invention . Have I understood it correctly?

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread robin
John Richard Smith wrote: HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:46:59 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well I don't see how I'm going to be able to put the case to my local MEP. I mean I'm no expert, and he/she is no expert and they have to put some sort of a case to the

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread John Richard Smith
Aron Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 09:04, John Richard Smith wrote: HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:46:59 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well I don't see how I'm going to be able to put the case to my local MEP. I mean I'm no expert, and he/she

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread ed tharp
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:32, HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:04:21 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: So the ethos of that argument is that that you cannot patent code it's something akin to a writer publishing a piece of liturature, it is his work, but it's not

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread Aron Smith
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 10:05, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: big snip OK then, so my approach when I tackle the MEP is something allong these lines, Did you know the EU legislators are preposing to allow patenting of copy write ? and as you surely know you cannot patent

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread John Richard Smith
Aron Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 10:05, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: big snip OK then, so my approach when I tackle the MEP is something allong these lines, Did you know the EU legislators are preposing to allow patenting of copy write ? and as you surely know you

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-02 Thread Aron Smith
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 14:23, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 10:05, John Richard Smith wrote: Aron Smith wrote: big snip OK then, so my approach when I tackle the MEP is something allong these lines, Did you know the EU legislators are preposing

[newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread Margot
An interesting reply from my MEP Caroline Lucas... Original Message Subject:Re: Software Patents Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:08:19 +0200 From: Caroline (Dr) Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Margot, Thanks you for your email on software

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread HaywireMac
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:36:24 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: An interesting reply from my MEP Caroline Lucas... Wt! Well done, Margot! As Robert A. Heinlein once noted, of course the game is rigged, but if you don't bet, you can't win, keep up the good fight! Go Greens! --

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread John Richard Smith
So does this leave us with a satisfactory position ? I'm not at all sure. I'm curious as to why Europeans are not trying to get the principle of the GPL incorporated into European law. Wouldn't this be better than hedging around trying to determin what is patentable and what it not. If the GPL

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread HaywireMac
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:20:34 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: So does this leave us with a satisfactory position ? I'm not at all sure. Of course not. It won't be satisfactory until all Political interference in the affairs of software and the internet is strictly forbidden.

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread Margot
John Richard Smith wrote: So does this leave us with a satisfactory position ? I'm not at all sure. No, it is not satisfactory - look again at the last 2 paragraphs of Caroline Lucas's message: However, the draft Directive remains ambiguous and contradictory (articles 2 4 contradict each other,

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread John Richard Smith
HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:20:34 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: So does this leave us with a satisfactory position ? I'm not at all sure. Of course not. It won't be satisfactory until all Political interference in the affairs of software and the internet

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread HaywireMac
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:53:49 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: But how should we be going about getting GPL incorporated into at least European Law. By voting and writing and voting and writing some more, and if that doesn't work... Malcolm X: By any means necessary. All

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread mooney
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 14:36, Margot wrote: An interesting reply from my MEP Caroline Lucas... Original Message Subject: Re: Software Patents Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:08:19 +0200 From: Caroline (Dr) Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread robin
HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:20:34 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: So does this leave us with a satisfactory position ? I'm not at all sure. Of course not. It won't be satisfactory until all Political interference in the affairs of software and the internet

Re: [newbie] Software Patents

2003-10-01 Thread HaywireMac
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:30:08 +0300 robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Haywire Mac citing Adam Smith? What is the world coming to? Hey, he wasn't all bad...he even warned quite vehemently in some of his writing about the dangers inherant in Capitalism, specifically the formation of monopolies and