Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 10 Jan 2003 12:03 am, Can Baytan wrote: Lemme say few join the OT'ers, Am EN speaking ppl is more understandable than En EN or Au EN speakers on the street at least to me, eg. a scottish sounds likes a chinese to me. Hey, the regions have problems understanding each other if the

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 10 Jan 2003 4:33 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: EN is most widelyeffectively speaking language of the world, Chinese is another case. I agree with widely, not with effectively. Greeks and latin were the most widely effectively speaking languages of the world, until the empires that

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 10 Jan 2003 11:13 am, Vahur Lokk wrote: On Friday 10 January 2003 12:47, you wrote: On Friday 10 Jan 2003 12:03 am, Can Baytan wrote: Hey, the regions have problems understanding each other if the accents are really, strong. It happens in other countries, too. For instance, I

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread et
On Friday 10 January 2003 05:47 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 10 Jan 2003 12:03 am, Can Baytan wrote: Femme say few join the Others, Am EN speaking ppl is more understandable than En EN or Au EN speakers on the street at least to me, eg. a scottish sounds likes a chinese to me. Hey,

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread JM5379
h... so y'all is a genetic reality for the south, no matter which south... laughing. btw, here in texas we use y'all too *g* --- Original Message --- From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language On Friday 10 January 2003 05:47 am, Anne Wilson

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread Todd Slater
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 05:01:10AM -0200, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: snip Talking about cultures Do you know any other country with such a multi-racial mix as Brazil? In the USA, they live together but, apartthey don't mix like here! This pluri-cultural background

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread Todd Slater
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 10:10:33AM -0500, et wrote: snip Cuba, from what I understand, is pretty multi-racial, too. Most other Latin countries seem to have a clasismo like the US; there may be Indian, African, and European, but they don't much mix and one can pretty much guess the social

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread Rob Lindsay
snip Times move on. If I had my say Chinese would be an option for our kids in school. snip Anne I totally agree, Anne. Having learnt Mandarin post university at the RAAF School of Languages Point Cook, I would have found the whole process easier if I'd gone for the language earlier.

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread et
On Friday 10 January 2003 10:50 am, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 10:10:33AM -0500, et wrote: snip Cuba, from what I understand, is pretty multi-racial, too. Most other Latin countries seem to have a clasismo like the US; there may be Indian, African, and European, but

Re[2]: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-10 Thread mbot
Hello Adolfo, Thursday, January 9, 2003, 9:42:44 PM, you wrote: AB Is Joyce's Ulyses in other language as great as it is in english? I AB don't think so. AB Just a tought. AB Adolfo AB P.S: I propose that OT will be posted to the expert list. Newbie (like AB me but I enjoy OTs) are mostly

[newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Anne Wilson
I am often amazed at how many people who do not have English as a first language tackle the job of discussing technical issues in English. So often they apologise for their lack of command. Like most British people, I have only a tiny grasp of a couple of European languages, and couldn't

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Adolfo Bello
I am often amazed at how many people who do not have English as a first language tackle the job of discussing technical issues in English. So often they apologise for their lack of command. Like most British people, I have only a tiny grasp of a couple of European languages, and couldn't

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread JM5379
and admiration... and envy *g*. joe --- Original Message --- From: Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MDK Mandrake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language I am often amazed at how many people who do not have English as a first language tackle the job of discussing

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Vahur Lokk
On Thursday 09 January 2003 15:47, you wrote: Agreed, Anne. Being American, I'm equally amazed that many who speak something other than english as a primary language can converse in english so much better than many who are raised with it as their only language. Those who can - and do - show

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Robin Turner
Vahur Lokk wrote: On Thursday 09 January 2003 15:47, you wrote: Agreed, Anne. Being American, I'm equally amazed that many who speak something other than english as a primary language can converse in english so much better than many who are raised with it as their only language. Those who can

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Adolfo Bello
Thats easy to explain - compared to other languages english has no grammar whatsoever, thus being easy to learn for foreigners (who have already grammar experience with their mother tongue) :) Wahur Is Joyce's Ulyses in other language as great as it is in english? I don't think so.

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread JM5379
final .02 worth. --- Original Message --- From: Vahur Lokk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language On Thursday 09 January 2003 15:47, you wrote: Agreed, Anne. Being American, I'm equally amazed that many who speak something other than english

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Chuck Burns
On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 08:03, Vahur Lokk wrote: Thats easy to explain - compared to other languages english has no grammar whatsoever, thus being easy to learn for foreigners (who have already grammar experience with their mother tongue) :) Actually.. English is one of the HARDEST

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread et
On Thursday 09 January 2003 09:42 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: Thats easy to explain - compared to other languages english has no grammar whatsoever, thus being easy to learn for foreigners (who have already grammar experience with their mother tongue) :) Wahur Is Joyce's Ulyses in other

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 09 Jan 2003 3:37 pm, Chuck Burns wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 08:03, Vahur Lokk wrote: Thats easy to explain - compared to other languages english has no grammar whatsoever, thus being easy to learn for foreigners (who have already grammar experience with their mother tongue)

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 09 Jan 2003 3:01 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the contrary, english does have grammer, syntax and a recognized structure; it`s simply that wiht the vast mixture we ahve from so many cultures, many don`t learn the proper way to use english or they consciously revamp it, making

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 00:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, Anne. Being American, I'm equally amazed that many who speak something other than english as a primary language can converse in english so much better than many who are raised with it as their only language. Those who can - and do

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 00:51, Robin Turner wrote: Heh heh - I'll tell that to my students! You've got students? Uh oh... thus being easy to learn for foreigners (who have already grammar experience with their mother tongue) :) And frequently have gone through an education system

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Can Baytan
Lemme say few join the OT'ers, Among En, Tr (Turkish), Ge, and Fr, EN grammer is easiest, than TR-GE-FR (for the sake of argument: you don't have to know grammer well to speak any language, remember lil' kids learning mother tounge?) EN vocabulary is bggest to learn. (the only bad point for

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Robin Turner
Can Baytan wrote: Lemme say few join the OT'ers, Among En, Tr (Turkish), Ge, and Fr, EN grammer is easiest, than TR-GE-FR (for the sake of argument: you don't have to know grammer well to speak any language, remember lil' kids learning mother tounge?) Learning Turkish grammar is easy - it's

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Thursday 09 January 2003 06:35 pm, Robin Turner wrote: (ekoslovakyallatramadklardanmydnz?) Sir Robin Gesundheit. Or were you clearing your throat? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Robin Turner
Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 09 January 2003 06:35 pm, Robin Turner wrote: (ekoslovakyallatramadklardanmydnz?) Sir Robin Gesundheit. Or were you clearing your throat? It's Turkish for Are you one of those who we were unable to turn into a Czechoslovakian? And people think Lisp is

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Adolfo Bello
EN is most widelyeffectively speaking language of the world, Chinese is another case. I agree with widely, not with effectively. Greeks and latin were the most widely effectively speaking languages of the world, until the empires that spoke those languages fell down. Adolfo Want to buy

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas
On Qui 09 Jan 2003 15:40, Anne Wilson wrote:(down there!) Just another view. From a Brazilian English Teacher. English is a very easy language when compared to other Indo-European Language! Of course, we have the multiple meaning set to a single word but, that happens on other languages as

Re: [newbie] Sort of OT - language

2003-01-09 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 18:01, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: On Qui 09 Jan 2003 15:40, Anne Wilson wrote:(down there!) Just another view. From a Brazilian English Teacher. English is a very easy language when compared to other Indo-European Language! Of course, we have the