Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-28 Thread Roger Sherman
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Doug Lerner wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Friday, December 28, 2001): Tech support? Free downloads, but boxed packages that you pay for if you choose? Heh...sound familiar? Just a thought... The company I work for actually doesn't sell boxed sets. The total download is

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-28 Thread Wes Gregg
If software were free how could the employees of the software company be paid to begin with? Lots (most?) non-profit organizations' employees draw salaries. Someone mentioned internet development as an example of free software helping us all. I saw the guy that wrote the

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-28 Thread Wes Gregg
On Friday 28 December 2001 09:49 am, you wrote: This list like to MS-bash. A lot. Be careful in your MS-bashing, though; they made most of the tech revolution possible. Without MS the tech industry as we know it would be much smaller (most of us wouldn't have jobs in tech), we would probably

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-27 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
True, but there is also another side to the story. What about the end users, who will _save_ money by using free software. Corporations spend massive amounts of money on buggy, insecure software. If the software was free, all this money could be saved, and the employees could be paid more (or

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-27 Thread Doug Lerner
If software were free how could the employees of the software company be paid to begin with? I'm sorry, but by this logic you could say, Instead of spending all that money on a down payment and mortgage, think of all the money I could save by just moving into the first house I see. doug

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-27 Thread Gonzalo
Maybe we donĀ“t need enormous software companies to do the job, just idealistic men like the ones moving the opensource world. And if someone offers free houses (and better than the one i'm paying for) wouldn`t you move?? Gonzalo From: Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] If software were free how

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-27 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:06 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If software were free how could the employees of the software company be paid to begin with? I am not arguing that all software should be free. I am simply stating that in some cases I believe that the free software model

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-27 Thread Doug Lerner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001): On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:06 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If software were free how could the employees of the software company be paid to begin with? I am not arguing that all software should be free. I am simply stating that

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-27 Thread Roger Sherman
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Doug Lerner wrote: If software were free how could the employees of the software company be paid to begin with? Tech support? Free downloads, but boxed packages that you pay for if you choose? Heh...sound familiar? Just a thought... I'm sorry, but by this logic you

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-27 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:23:45 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thursday, December 27, 2001): On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:33:06 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If software were free how could the employees of the software company be paid to begin

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-26 Thread robin
Doug Lerner wrote: A little common sense can apply here. Certainly there are some examples that are obvious. For example, the letter a is obviously public domain. But C code that actually does something useful and was created with the effort of a developer - that is obviously different, isn't

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-26 Thread Doug Lerner
Whether a pot is the result of thousands of years of accumulated knowledge about ceramics shouldn't matter. Somebody has to still decide to put forth the labor required to make an instance of the pot. After he or she does so it is the maker's thing to profit from. doug [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-26 Thread Doug Lerner
On a day-to-day basis, if you want to have a working economy, where people can support themselves then, for sure, it makes more sense to compensate labor and effort which can be attributed. In other words, pay the programmers who create programs. The compensation to society for providing the

Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-25 Thread Doug Lerner
This is an interesting discussion. I agree with some of your points, but am not convinced by others. For example, if a company hires a dozen programmers and they spend a year creating and tweaking and debugging code, even if you think the company has no right to the *idea* (I am not convinced of

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-25 Thread Andre Dubuc
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 20:08, you wrote: This is an interesting discussion. I agree with some of your points, but am not convinced by others. For example, if a company hires a dozen programmers and they spend a year creating and tweaking and debugging code, even if you think the company

Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-25 Thread Mark Weaver
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:30:18 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: A little common sense can apply here. Certainly there are some examples that are obvious. For example, the letter a is obviously public domain. But C code that actually does something