Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:09, HaywireMac wrote: So we will be seeing more Linux viruses as the OS becomes more common and popular. What truly boggles my mind is that so many people do not have an idea of the basis of the operating system from the onset. First and foremost,

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread HaywireMac
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:41:41 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix - the idea behind was to create multiple tasks running concurrently from the beginning. I thought SCO invented that... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage:

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread robin
HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:41:41 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix - the idea behind was to create multiple tasks running concurrently from the beginning. I thought SCO invented that... ;-) I thought multi-tasking was invented by

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread Margot
robin wrote: HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:41:41 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix - the idea behind was to create multiple tasks running concurrently from the beginning. I thought SCO invented that... ;-) I thought multi-tasking was

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 03:45, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 09:11 am, HaywireMac wrote: [..] That's not really the issue, as we were discussing before. I think you even said it, Linux, Unix, whatever platform will never be 100% secure,

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen Kuhn
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Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen Kuhn
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Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 4, 2003 01:49 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: [..] For that notional elite, and their hypothetical state sponsored projects there are further levels of security, further layers to pass before a hack possibly gains any access in any targeted

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-04 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:16:27 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippers I thought multi-tasking was invented by some cavewoman who had to hold a baby, cook mammoth steaks and pretend to liten to her husband's hunting stories at the same time ;-) Sir Robin This is why women

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread Aron Smith
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 06:09, HaywireMac wrote: We've all heard it many times when a new Microsoft virus comes out. In fact, I've heard it a couple of times this week already. Someone on a mailing list or discussion forum complains about the latest in a long line of Microsoft email viruses or

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread JM5379
cut including ones who work for anti-virus companies. Jack Clarke, European product manager at McAfee, said, So we will be seeing more Linux viruses as the OS becomes more common and popular. Mr. Clarke is wrong. Source: http://securityfocus.com/columnists/188 -- i'll offer a slightly

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:08:38 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: i'll offer a slightly different take... i believe we will in time see more efforts at virii for linux/os x/name your fav new os as they become more popular simply because there are those who enjoy seeing what holes they can find

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread JM5379
--- Original Message --- From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG. On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:08:38 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: i'll offer a slightly different take... i believe we will in time see more

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread ed tharp
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut including ones who work for anti-virus companies. Jack Clarke, European product manager at McAfee, said, So we will be seeing more Linux viruses as the OS becomes more common and popular. Mr. Clarke is wrong. Source:

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread JM5379
i'll offer a slightly different take... i believe we will in time see more efforts at virii for linux/os x/name your fav new os as they become more popular simply because there are those who enjoy seeing what holes they can find or simply enjoy destroying for destruction's sake. but i

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread HaywireMac
On 03 Oct 2003 10:28:41 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I don't think soo.. http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ Thanks, I forgot about that one. Unfortunately, existing mainstream operating systems lack the critical security feature required for enforcing separation: mandatory access

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:47:08 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: selinux may be good. it may be extraordinarily good. it is not perfect, therefore at some point in time, a way or ways will be found to subvert it to greater or lesser degrees. those attacks will be addressed and the weaknesses

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 09:11 am, HaywireMac wrote: [..] That's not really the issue, as we were discussing before. I think you even said it, Linux, Unix, whatever platform will never be 100% secure, but as always, I would put a default install of Mandrake

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:45:20 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: For that notional elite, and their hypothetical state sponsored projects there are further levels of security, further layers to pass before a hack possibly gains any access in any targeted system. Please don't tell me

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 12:17 pm, HaywireMac wrote: [..] Exactement! I once saw an interview with an official from the NSA, and he was asked what kind of computing technology they had at their disposal. IIRC, his answer was something like: Take what

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread Aron Smith
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:08, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 12:17 pm, HaywireMac wrote: [..] Exactement! I once saw an interview with an official from the NSA, and he was asked what kind of computing technology they had at their

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:08:14 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: There are a lot of IT facilities that I fantasize about having a grand tour through with guides, and that's one of them. Even better would be to own a copy of one. g Go to your local hobby/used equipment shop with a

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread Paul Mooney
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:08:38 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: i'll offer a slightly different take... i believe we will in time see more efforts at virii for linux/os x/name your fav new os as they become more popular simply because there are those who enjoy seeing what holes they can

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread Paul Mooney
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:08:38 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: i'll offer a slightly different take... i believe we will in time see more efforts at virii for linux/os x/name your fav new os as they become more popular simply because there are those who enjoy seeing what holes they can

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread robin
ed tharp wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut including ones who work for anti-virus companies. Jack Clarke, European product manager at McAfee, said, So we will be seeing more Linux viruses as the OS becomes more common and popular.

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread HaywireMac
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:49:51 +0300 robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Beats McAfee any day. In general, *not* using McAfee beats McAfee, since you are probably less likely to think you are safe and therefore more likely to be vigilant... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage:

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread robin
Charlie M. wrote: My dream (short term) though would be to build an Open Source only Broadband ISP. So totally biased and exclusionary that any browser identifying itself as running on a certain corporation's OS would be redirected immediately to the Complaint Department. aka msn.com g Mac

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread ed tharp
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 16:07, Aron Smith wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:49, robin wrote: ed tharp wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut including ones who work for anti-virus companies. Jack Clarke, European product

Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.

2003-10-03 Thread John Wilson
On October 3, 2003 06:09 am, HaywireMac wrote: We've all heard it many times when a new Microsoft virus comes out. In fact, I've heard it a couple of times this week already. Someone on a mailing list or discussion forum complains about the latest in a long line of Microsoft email viruses or