Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread Graham Rogers
The noise sounds like any bike I've heard without the exhaust installed. On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:28 PM, surfswab wrote: > On the bubbling -- You mentioned in a previous post you had liquid in > one or more cylinders. I'm assuming you were able clear all that out. > > You may still have some resid

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Green
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I didn't think that no headers would keep it from starting. It's only 2 nuts per header flange and since it's only 2 cylinders it only took a couple minutes. I guess I remember it taking longer when I was doing initial disassembly. Need to work on

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread Javier Garcia
Yes that is what I meant. I remembered that once I took the exhaust on my wife's suzuki gs500 to get it painted. I also did the valve adjustment and I wanted to sync the carbs but I forgot to put back the exhaust. I tried to start it like for 20min until I realized what was going on. I don't think

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Green
The liquid in the cylinder must have been somebody else. Mine was dry when I got it. So I read a little bit about running with no headers and it seemed like the back pressure of the header pipes would help so I went ahead and put them on. I also turned up the idle a bit, and low and behold the b

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Jeremy Kindy
Good to hear that the Brammo would be ok for someone my size. I could charge it up at work (~14 miles one way). The main consideration is initial cost. I'd probably also have to get rid of the NH due to space constraints. I'd love to get one though. I do think EV will become mainstream. On Fr

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread surfswab
I'd tie cables or electrical wires away from in front of the exhaust ports if you're not going to the put the pipes back on just yet (to prevent the insulation on them from melting from the heat) On Feb 17, 9:25 pm, Kevin Green wrote: > Well like I said, not expecting it to be smooth or quiet, bu

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread surfswab
On the bubbling -- You mentioned in a previous post you had liquid in one or more cylinders. I'm assuming you were able clear all that out. You may still have some residual in the crankcase vent tube (from the motor to the airbox), in the airbox itself, and/or the carb manifolds. The rush of inc

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Green
Well like I said, not expecting it to be smooth or quiet, but I would think it would catch at least. I'm waiting to put the exhaust back on until I know it doesn't need something else. If I have to pull the head back off I don't want to have to pull the exhaust again. If somebody has a reason not t

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread Javier Garcia
I don't have the answer to your questions, but have another one: is it really a good idea to try to start an engine without an exhaust system installed? Javier. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Kevin Green < kevin.green.thunderb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://s1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg596/

[Nighthawk Lovers] Starting the Engine for the First Time

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Green
http://s1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg596/357Enthusiast/?action=view¤t=VIDEO0038.mp4 Anybody have input for me? I'm afraid I might have a timing issue but I thought I would see what you guys thought. It occurs to me to wonder if I could have the timing off by 360 degrees so that the spark is fir

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb part that doesn't exist?

2012-02-17 Thread Graham Rogers
Kevin, I know what you're talking about. I haven't seen those plugs on any of my Nighthawks (I don't have a 450 though) but I have on Kawasaki 750LTDs. Graham On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Kevin Green wrote: > What I'm looking for is the plug that goes over the jet. Awesomely, in > looking

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Kyle Munz
I think you've stuck the nail on the head there. Buy a horse. -Kyle On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM, paul annen wrote: > i liked the feel of the bramo (6'3" and 275 pounds here) but the model i > test rode did have a limited range... at the same time it was fun to ride. > > EVs are not for eve

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread paul annen
at that point you could use the chinese 150 scooters as an example, 75mpg new and delivered to your door for $1,200 new. they arent that bad (if you know what ones your getting into) On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Allen Thomas wrote: > ** > I'd love to have an ev that could get me to work and

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Allen Thomas
I'd love to have an ev that could get me to work and back. I just don't see the economic viability when there are 70MPG bikes out there for such a drastic cost difference. If I really wanted to make a point I didn't have to use the ninja as my IC example, a NH250 sells for less and the Suzuki 25

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread paul annen
i liked the feel of the bramo (6'3" and 275 pounds here) but the model i test rode did have a limited range... at the same time it was fun to ride. EVs are not for everybody, for example me... because i live on a sailboat i do not have a garage to store anything in, nor do i have a secure place wh

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb part that doesn't exist?

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Green
What I'm looking for is the plug that goes over the jet. Awesomely, in looking for a diagram or something to show what I'm talking about a thread on a forum from somebody with the same problem on a different year bike. Included was a link: http://www.siriusconinc.com/pro-detail.php?pid=&product_id

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb part that doesn't exist?

2012-02-17 Thread Robert Kariniemi
Should be a jet and an o-ring. I found those parts were worn and my 1982 450SC would not idle well on the right cylinder. These have to be in good condition. I bought parts on line. Just type in 82 450 SC Carb parts in Google. I think I got them from Bike Bandit. On Feb 17, 2012 3:44 PM, "Kevin Gr

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb part that doesn't exist?

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Green
Sorry, 82 CB450SC On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Graham Rogers wrote: > on what bike? > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Kevin Green wrote: > > > So when I opened up my carbs there was a soft rubber plug in the hole > with the slow air jet on each carb. I read somewhere that this plug is > neces

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb part that doesn't exist?

2012-02-17 Thread Graham Rogers
on what bike? On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Kevin Green wrote: > So when I opened up my carbs there was a soft rubber plug in the hole with > the slow air jet on each carb. I read somewhere that this plug is necessary > for the carb to work correctly, but both of my plugs are shot and need to b

[Nighthawk Lovers] Carb part that doesn't exist?

2012-02-17 Thread Kevin Green
So when I opened up my carbs there was a soft rubber plug in the hole with the slow air jet on each carb. I read somewhere that this plug is necessary for the carb to work correctly, but both of my plugs are shot and need to be replaced. I can't find these plugs on parts diagrams, including my cl

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Jeremy Kindy
My problem with most of the 250s and E-cycles are my size - I'm 6'4" and 240. The 250s I've looked at/ridden have felt small. I used a NH250 for the MSF course and was worried about the size of the 750 before I sat on it (would be more comfortable if the pegs were lower by an inch or two, but not

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Kurt Nolte
Not saying you're any sort of EV "hater" at all, but it's odd that stuff keeps changing. I get it. You don't really want one or think it's a good idea right now. I guess my CL-fu is not terribly strong, or my area is "different" with pricing: couple-year-old Ninja 250s are still going for ~$3k+, un

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Allen Thomas
No I'm not an EV hater at all in fact this looks pretty cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX85N8I6XSw&feature=related it is just that you can nab a lightly used 2010 ninja for about $2500 there are 2 of them on CL right now in my area that have about 3000 miles on them. BTW this electric bike is

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Kurt Nolte
$4300 seems to be the going rate for new 250r model}, but if you don't like electric bikes that is fine too. If I were to buy a new DRz I would have almost as much a need to refuel as an Empulse 8.0 Range would really only matter for long trips. I wouldn't really pick a 250r or a DRz for that task

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Allen Thomas
I'd rather just buy a Ninja250 for half that price, and not have to deal with the range limitations. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Kurt Nolte Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:18:53 To: Reply-To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com

RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread greenzer...@gmail.com
Well put, but you also have to take into account the reduced "fuel" cost and fairly simple maintanice. Li ion battries are a much better option, but you can start with wet cells and upgrade to better cells as you can afford them ---Original Message--- From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Kurt Nolte
Well, $6k is msrp on most of the ~400cc dual sports I've found. Seems comparable. That said, electric and hybrid vehicles aren't universally applicable. If I had $7.5k to spend right now, I'd buy a Brammo bike. It's perfect for my needs, and would free me up to buy a dedicated touring bike. Kurt

RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread greenzer...@gmail.com
I got to test ride the bramo bike, i liked it alot. Free test rides at semional powersports in sanford fl ---Original Message--- From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: 2/17/2012 2:45 pm To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent) Tha

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Allen Thomas
Correction, the second website that Paul listed has 100A/h batteries for $135 each so that lowers the battery cost down to $4000. IMHO $6000 for an ev motorcycle that only has the performance of roughly a 300CC IC bike is a bit much to spend. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Allen Thomas wrote:

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Kurt Nolte
That's why I'm looking more at a hybrid or a hybrid-kit for bikes. If you were to talk a smaller handful of those packs, plus motor and controller, you're looking at ~$5-7k (At ebay prices not bulk pricing) and you still have the gasoline engine. If it were a factory rolled out, downsized engine b

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Allen Thomas
the cost associated with batteries to provide 100 Amp hours at 96V would be tremendous. Quick check on google it would take 30 of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Vehicle-Battery-CALB-LiFePO4-100Ah-EV-Batteries-4-pack-/170765730402#vi-content connected in serial for a total cost of $17,550, P

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Allen Thomas
I'm pretty sure that if it uses a motorcycle frame then it stil requires a tag, and the rider is required to have a MC license, but I would imagine that it would be state specific. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Minh Trat wrote: > Interesting concept. Would the electric motorcycle conversions

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread Minh Trat
Interesting concept. Would the electric motorcycle conversions have to be insured like the regular engines? (Size of engine =insurance rate etc.), or be like a motorized bicycle(no insurance or license needed)? I can imagine using lithium ion batteries would reduce the weight slightly in the build

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread paul annen
kurt, i think this is more of what you are looking at? http://www.electricmotordepot.com/products/EnerTrac-Hub-Motor-MHM602.html On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:27 AM, paul annen wrote: > gerrr it helps if i paste the link > http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Your-Own-ELECTRIC-MOTORCYCLE/ > > > On

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Can you post this message and pictures in "Luggage Rack and Engine Guard for 700 s" thread - Thanks.

2012-02-17 Thread paul annen
that engine guard looks nice... almost homemade, but well done.. if i dident have something similar on my wing already i might be thinking on how i can modify that to fit.. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 5:02 PM, sean fox wrote: > Can you post this message and pictures in "Luggage Rack and Engine Guard

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread paul annen
gerrr it helps if i paste the link http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Your-Own-ELECTRIC-MOTORCYCLE/ On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:27 AM, paul annen wrote: > ironically this was in the next email i opened this morning. i havent read > it yet, but i thought i would post > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 a

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread paul annen
ironically this was in the next email i opened this morning. i havent read it yet, but i thought i would post On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM, paul annen wrote: > very true, and i also imagined that the reserve battery would also > function as the starting battery. with a 24v or higher system, i

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Hybrid Bikes (side tangent)

2012-02-17 Thread paul annen
very true, and i also imagined that the reserve battery would also function as the starting battery. with a 24v or higher system, i would recomend replacing the starter with one made for the higher voltages. it might make the bike feel totally different, but what about putting your hub motor in th