(eg. Fru1tlegsSmell!)? No, not in 99.999% of real life
scenarios. Scientifically, yes, of course!
a
-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: 10 September 2011 23:31
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: password questions
I tend to agree
Thanks to all that responded. It is great to get so many perspectives. I
appreciate the diversity of opinion here - it's always interesting to see all
viewpoints.
Thanks again.
Shauna Hensala
Subject: RE: password questions
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:31:42 +0100
From: adav...@cls
Subject: RE: password questions
What I tell the lay person...
1. Mix up the password with uppercase, lowercase, numbers and special
characters. Take a current password and mix a couple characters. For example,
if your current password is abracadabra, then change it to something like
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:51 PM
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Subject: Re: password questions
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:51 PM
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Subject: Re: password questions
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*Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2011 3:13 PM
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Hmmm... so putting it all together the secret message is saying
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Subject: Re: password questions
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote:
I don't think that's true. Point me to a rainbow table that has that large
of a
keyspace. I can't say I've looked exhaustively, but I've not been able to
find one that even
with assurance that full tables for ASCII are available.
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Consultant and Exchange MVP
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: password
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I can state with assurance that full tables for ASCII are available.
Technically speaking, ASCII is 7 bits, so that may not be what we're
talking about.
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
IMO all this business about rainbow tables for finding hash value
collisions is, or will soon be, highly obsolete. A properly designed
password system should use both (a) enough salt bits to render rainbow
tables impractical, and (b) a computationally expensive, variable
workload hashing
...@zetetic.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: password questions
IMO all this business about rainbow tables for finding hash value collisions
is, or will soon be, highly obsolete. A properly designed password system
should use both (a) enough salt bits
: password questions
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote:
I don't think that's true. Point me to a rainbow table that has that
large of a keyspace. I can't say I've looked exhaustively, but I've
not been able to find one that even exhausts the entire
Irrelevent. The tools used for brute forcing passwords just use the whole
character set anyhow.
Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr
From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:32
To:
IMO, the most important thing that people need to know about passwords
follows.
DON'T RECYLCE PASSWORDS.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com wrote:
I have been asked to speak to an group regarding personal internet
security. This will be a fairly light weight
Back in the day, L0pht would be completely ineffectual against such a password,
even if you included said character in its character set. I emailed L0pht at
the time and they said they didn't support cracking alt-char passwords. I've
heard that this is not the case with other password
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From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: password questions
Back in the day, L0pht would be completely ineffectual against such a password,
even if you included said
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Shauna Hensala she...@msn.com wrote:
I have been asked to speak to an group regarding personal internet security.
This will be a fairly light weight discussion and I have a couple of really
good references regarding choosing secure passwords
The best rules
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote:
There’s a quite dated, yet relevant, article at sysopt about some of my
findings at http://www.sysopt.com/tutorials/article.php/3532756.
Scott: That entire analysis is based on the scenario where you have
an NTLM
: Fri Sep 09 13:59:00 2011
Subject: RE: password questions
Back in the day, L0pht would be completely ineffectual against such a password,
even if you included said character in its character set. I emailed L0pht at
the time and they said they didn’t support cracking alt-char passwords. I’ve
Umm, actually it was mentioned. ☺ Paragraph 2.
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: password questions
Not to mention alt characters are a major pain (or non existent) on some
devices.
John W. Cook
Systems
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From: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:43:07
To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: password questions
IMO, the most important thing that people
, at
some level, the second is safer.
Whether the gains for using an alt-char offset the disadvantages mentioned is
up to the user.
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: password
: Fri Sep 09 14:35:02 2011
Subject: RE: password questions
Umm, actually it was mentioned. ☺ Paragraph 2.
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: password questions
Not to mention alt characters are a major pain
2011/9/9 Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edu:
However, the point remains that incorporating an alt-char vastly increases the
brute-force space and therefore makes them harder to crack no matter
how you're attempting to crack it.
Even that's not the case, if rainbow tables are an option.
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 3:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: password questions
2011/9/9 Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edu:
However, the point remains that incorporating an alt-char vastly
increases the brute-force space and therefore makes them harder to
crack
, some sites will limit the number of
characters, etc. Banks tend to be the worst of this.
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: password questions
IMO, the most important thing that people need
Excellent summary. This.
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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote:
Back in the day, L0pht would be completely ineffectual against such a
password, even if you included said character in its character set. I
emailed L0pht at the time and they
...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 9:43 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: password questions
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IMO, the most important thing that people need to know about passwords
follows.
DON'T RECYLCE PASSWORDS.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote:
I don't think that's true. Point me to a rainbow table that has that large
of a
keyspace. I can't say I've looked exhaustively, but I've not been able to
find one that even exhausts the entire ascii space, let
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com wrote:
1. Mix up the password with uppercase, lowercase, numbers and special
characters.
It is arguably more effective to use a longer password with a
simpler scheme than a shorter password with a complicated scheme.
They yield
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