NO prevention benefit from
scheduled scans, assuming a competent AV system.
Carl
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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Error
implemented effectively.
Carl
-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
On 22 Oct 2009 at 21:30, Carl Houseman wrote:
All
: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
No, that's not the only way a threat is eliminated before being activated.
After signatures are updated, the realtime scanner will sound off as soon as
something or someone tries to activate or copy it.
If nothing tries to activate it or copy
, 23 Oct 2009 02:24:19
To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
If a deep scan looks for modifications to the hosts file, I can see that
as some benefit for after-the-fact notification. Now you're talking about
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote:
what do scheduled scans find that real-time scanning won't catch?
Threat comes in before signatures are updated. (Remember,
anti-malware is an entirely reactive game.)
While it is true that a real-time scan *should*
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:50, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
On 22 Oct 2009 at 18:04, Kurt Buff wrote:
We schedule quick AV scans at noon on Wednesday, full AV scans on
Monday at 8pm, and Microsoft patching (via WSUS) with a deadline of
05:00 Tuesday. We schedule a test
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:50, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.com wrote:
On 22 Oct 2009 at 18:04, Kurt Buff wrote:
We schedule quick AV scans at noon on Wednesday, full AV scans on
Monday at 8pm, and Microsoft patching (via WSUS) with a deadline of
05:00 Tuesday. We schedule a test
On 23 Oct 2009 at 10:57, Kurt Buff wrote:
It's a balance - MSFT has been known to issue a bad patch now and then.
Waiting a week gives us a chance to evaluate the feedback from the community.
I usually update my own systems quickly, then wait a day or two before advising
clients to go ahead
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let alone shut down their
computer.
They claim that it takes too long and they haven't got time to wait to log
on again or start up.
They're important enough that I can't force them to do so, but I'm worried
about possible problems.
The only
[mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let alone shut down their
computer.
They claim that it takes too long and they haven't got
Can they hit the Windows key and L at the same time? If not, you can do
it for them using Group Policy.
From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi
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*From:* Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
*Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:30 PM
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*Subject:* User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who
Set the timeout to at least lock the workstation?
From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let alone
, October 22, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let alone shut down their
computer.
They claim that it takes too long and they haven't got time to wait to log on
again or start up
Industrial espionage?
Don't know your industry or circumstances, but if they're important enough
that you can't force them to do so then they are important enough to have
access to critical and sensitive information that they leave accessible for
anyone whenever they're out of the office.
At the
, 2009 4:29 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let alone shut down their
computer.
They claim that it takes too long and they haven't got time to wait to
log on again or start up
System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
I ASSume you push patches. He/she may lose whatever they were working on
when a patch session forces a reboot.
Dunno what you mean by ticket expiration as Kerberos will renew
tickets automatically
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From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
He or she is in HR!
2009/10
I assume they also don't lock it? As was pointed out, that's easy enough to
configure.
_
From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Andrew Levicki and...@levicki.me.uk wrote:
They claim that it takes too long and
they haven't got time to wait to log on
again or start up.
So let them stay logged in. That's what I normally do. I've often
got over a dozen windows open, some with dozens of
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Andrew Levicki and...@levicki.me.uk wrote:
I just want them to do
what everyone else manages to do which is turn off at night.
Why are you so dead set on shutting down the PC at night? Do you
have a reason? Just curious... :)
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful
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From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let
Issues
Subject: RE: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Can they hit the Windows key and L at the same time? If not, you can do it
for them using Group Policy.
From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin
shutdown -s -m \\computer-namefile://\\computer-name -f -t 0
done.
From: Andrew Levicki [and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Ah a misunderstanding
Determine what the issue is with takes too long to start up
From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let
Message -
From: Mike Gill
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Locking the workstation doesn't address software updates or deployments being
missed, among other things.
Andrew
Sleep mode?
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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Andrew Levicki and...@levicki.me.uk
wrote
:* User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Hi, I've got a user who doesn't want to log off let alone shut down their
computer.
They claim that it takes too long and they haven't got time to wait to log
on again or start up.
They're important enough that I can't force them to do
: 847-255-1896
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From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Industrial espionage?
Don't know your industry or circumstances
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Andrew Levicki and...@levicki.me.uk wrote:
So, I'm still left with the software updates and deployments, which require
restarts.
When I have to force updates via startup scripts, I have a batch file called
reboot_the_world.CMD that I use to reboot any running
Set it up to reboot every night and tell him/her it's because of patching.
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
I ASSume you push patches. He
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Scot Parsons spars...@scetv.org wrote:
Set it up to reboot every night and tell him/her it’s because of patching.
The BOFH is strong in you.
/me is impressed
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~
Sorry, can't help. I hate to logoff my pc because the security team has our
AV do a full scan each time I logon. It takes a good 2 hours of 100%
processing on my machine. The easy fix is to disable the AV, but...
Maybe they just need to remove a few apps out of their startup, so it boots
faster.
Or go to Vipre...
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Eric Woodford ericwoodf...@gmail.comwrote:
Sorry, can't help. I hate to logoff my pc because the security team has our
AV do a full scan each time I logon. It takes a good 2 hours of 100%
processing on my machine. The easy fix is to disable
Wel, Vipre still bogs down our PCs here when the weekly deep
scan is running. We get the same complaints we had when we used Symantec. The
quick scans are not noticed, but I'm bummed that the deep scan causes a very
noticeable performance loss. It's set at low priority, but
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, can't help. I hate to logoff my pc because the security team has
our AV do a full scan each time I logon.
Or go to Vipre...
This isn't a brand X vs Y issue, it's a lack-of-clue issue. The
time to do a full
You can't be serious.I installed Vipre on my pc and started a deep scan
right as my lunch hour started. Played a FPS game at lunch and never
noticed a performance hit at all.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote:
Wel, Vipre still bogs down
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:03, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
Sorry, can't help. I hate to logoff my pc because the security team has
our AV do a full scan each time I logon.
Or go to Vipre...
This isn't
You have a better machine than most of our folks, I suppose. We have
noticeable slowdowns on many of our machines.
Still, it's *FAR* better than McAfee.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:52, Sherry Abercrombie saber...@gmail.com wrote:
You can't be serious.I installed Vipre on my pc and started a
, but they are significantly
higher-performing than my average customer's desktop.
From: Sherry Abercrombie [saber...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
You can't
A three year old Dell laptopnot anything special at all.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
You have a better machine than most of our folks, I suppose. We have
noticeable slowdowns on many of our machines.
Still, it's *FAR* better than McAfee.
On
Most of our machines are about that old, but we tend to under-resource
our machines - I finally had to put my foot down to get our engineers
to 1gb of RAM, and in a few cases 2gb. I get complaints from those who
stay late on Monday night, and I finally told them to get in the
office earlier and go
PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Most of our machines are about that old, but we tend to under-resource
our machines - I finally had to put my foot down to get our engineers
to 1gb of RAM, and in a few cases 2gb. I get complaints from those
who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
Most of our machines are about that old, but we tend to under-resource
our machines - I finally had to put my foot down to get our engineers
to 1gb of RAM, and in a few cases 2gb. I get complaints from those who
stay late on Monday night, and I
and is never accessed?
Carl
-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
I'd believe you, except that I get reports from every scan
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:21, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the answer to my question? (highlighted below in case you missed it)
The answer is: I don't know, but the VIPRE realtime scans aren't
catching what the scheduled scans are catching.
Here's another: How dangerous
[mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:21, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the answer to my question? (highlighted below in case you
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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
I'd believe you, except that I get reports from every scan of new bits
of infestation, on at least 2 or three
Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:21, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the answer to my question? (highlighted below
On 22 Oct 2009 at 18:04, Kurt Buff wrote:
We schedule quick AV scans at noon on Wednesday, full AV scans on
Monday at 8pm, and Microsoft patching (via WSUS) with a deadline of
05:00 Tuesday. We schedule a test group for WSUS patching the Monday
evening after patch Tuesday, and the rest of
On 22 Oct 2009 at 18:52, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:
You can't be serious.I installed Vipre on my pc and started a deep
scan right as my lunch hour started. Played a FPS game at lunch and
never noticed a performance hit at all.
What CPU? How much RAM is installed?
--
Angus Scott-Fleming
On 22 Oct 2009 at 19:57, Tom Miller wrote:
Wel, Vipre still bogs down our PCs here when the weekly
deep scan is running. We get the same complaints we had when we used
Symantec. The quick scans are not noticed, but I'm bummed that the deep
scan causes a very noticeable
On 22 Oct 2009 at 21:30, Carl Houseman wrote:
All this turmoil over scheduled scans... tell me, what do scheduled scans
find that real-time scanning won't catch?
Stuff that has slipped under the radar that is new in the signature files that
wasn't there when the malware was infecting the
Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User who doesn't like logging off / shutting down
I'd believe you, except that I get reports from every scan of new bits
of infestation, on at least 2
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